@agamemnonymous continueing the thread. you stated the issue was marketing being terrible. i dont actually think thats the case. talk to practically anyone below the age of 40 and almost unanimously they'll tell you they hate capitalism and thats the starting point. for example i wound up on the far left thabks in part to youtube videos relating to xlimate change and then linking to further and further left wing channels.

i think at this point its more about patiently explaining the position

@agamemnonymous over all i have to disagree with the premise of what your proposing here. i do get your point about the more socialist terminology being scary to most american, especially older more reactionary ones; but i also dont thats who we should be talking to

the reason i disagree with premise is becuase i think it makes things too easy to completely distort their meanings into something completely reactionary. yes lets choose a different word for bourgeois

@yogthos tge only thing i didnt like about the article is it seemed to yhink us millennials are choosing to live this way when the reality is, we're being forced into it

@Jaximus @dingus yes, you revolt cuz at that point thats all thats left

@ivereadalltheory @CharmingOwl yes MLs are authoritarian, im not sure why this surprises you. Engels wrote about authority quite a lot and id reccomend giving his work 'on authority' a look; its at most a ten minute read

tho i have seen my fare share of poor takes coming out of lemmy

@yogthos after reading the article im only left asking "so when does amerca collapse?"

@Eldritch @HiddenLayer5 agreed about the u.s.s.r. point, despite the lack of consumer goods, having a life long right to a house and a job are very appealing to me living in the American capitalist hellscape at the moment

not so sure how i feel about the anti Bolshevik part. tho im not fond of calling things authoritarian or not. i am anti autocratic tho

@Eldritch you do have good points in here, by the way have you ever read state and revolution?

i think i may count as a big C communist that cant get their nose out of the books

@Eldritch yea the beginning of my political education literally began with reading the manifesto and going from there.

i will say that now a days the libertarian party really is just right wings cranks but yes im aware of its left wing origins

i do wish i had a different word than communist to describe my political leaning just cuz of the negative associations from the cold war era

@Eldritch i would reccomend reading what these poeple had to say, it'll clear up a lot of issues. theres also value in reading what your self proclaimed enemies have to say, even if its a very frustrating read.

a book from somebody i have good reason to not like was the book propaganda, thats the name of it by frueds nephew whose name im forgetting. this is also how i know the n@zis think im jewish for some reason(im not)

a good first read for socialism would be vlack shirts and reds

@Eldritch please read state and revolution, lenin goes over every point you made here in that work

@MrSangrief @yogthos uhh why is socialism boosting this? holodomor was right wing propaganda even in its own day and i can guarentee putin isnt trying to bring back the ussr but instead the tsarist empire before it

@yogthos no wonder i keep choosing Firefox