for wearing a mask, of all things.

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vegan food. is gross 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 get it?????

– grown ass man who thinks he’ll die if he stops drinking the breast milk of a pregnant animal

Not sure about them, but my veganism includes both human and non-human animal liberation. I’m against the exploitation of ALL sentient beings. We’re not free until we’re all free.

You might appreciate this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_liberation

Those animals still suffer greatly.

Backyard chickens are bred to produce eggs faster than their bodies can naturally handle, leading to health problems and a much shorter lifespan. When they stop laying eggs, they’re almost always sent to slaughter because people don’t want to take care of a sick chicken for years. They have to be purchased from meat companies in the first place, essentially supporting them.

Animals don’t care if you or some worker slits their throat. There is no humane way to take the life of someone who doesn’t want to be killed, and again, those animals have to be purchased from meat companies in the first place.

Besides, it’s way easier to cook fucking delicious vegan food than to kill an animal you’ve grown attached to.

What stops you from trying vegan, OP?

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My friends, too. And I’m not afraid to call them friends. We call dogs and cats friends but we can’t call other animals friends? I spend hours every week with them at the sanctuary. They’re my friends, period.

If its faster than thier bodies can natrualy handle why do human engineered chickens live just as long as their wuld ancstors?

They don’t. Here’s a very clear example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broiler#Welfare_issues

I take care of a flock of over 100 rescued egg laying chickens who are suffering due to medical conditions related to their breed.

Even if what you said was true, egg laying chickens are typically slaughtered at 1-2 years when they can live up to 8 years, healthily, in the wild.

Not all chickens are meat birds or even purchased. For instance the chickens we have are some amolgomation of variouse species we initialy baught like 5 hens are adopted a rooster like 20years ago all subsequent chickens we bred ourselves.

You are the exception, and even you mention that you still bought them.

Chickens dont ever stop laying unless they are about to die, as they get older thier laying season gets shorter and at some point they lay an egg every few days instead of every day. They slow the egg laying rate in terms of what their body can natrualy handle.

This isn’t always true, and besides, when they slow down is when most farmers slaughter them.

Most of our hens get old get sick and die of natrual causes.

Again, you are the exception. Very few others do this as it is not profitable. Animals are not eaten after they’ve grown old and sick.

I would argue that taking a life in many cases is more humane than letting an animal suffer through some terminal illness…

There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn’t want to be killed. Watch this and tell me it’s a good life.

Most animals live a life of suffering before they’re slaughtered at only a tiny fraction of their natural age. This isn’t about terminal illness.

If it wasnt for us humans eating millions of aninals every day those animals would not exist

Animals that haven’t yet been born into existence do not feel anything. Animals that have been born do. This feels like a pro-life argument spun into something anti-vegan.

Regarding your points why not to be vegan:

1. I can’t speak to where you’re from, but in my country this is simply untrue. Tofu, lentils, beans, seitan, tempeh and more are all less expensive than meat in protein per dollar. In countries where this isn’t true, the cost of meat and dairy is paid for in subsidies by tax payers. There is no rational reason for a piece of an animal to cost less than a pint of blueberries considering the massive resource cost it takes to raise that animal.
2. You’ve been lied to with misinformation. If we look at soy, for example, the VAST majority is used to feed livestock. In fact, the vast majority of plant farming — period — is used to feed livestock. This alone makes animal agriculture far more destructive, and we’re not even touching on emissions, water use, water pollution, ocean acidification, etc. Vegans do care about insects, amphibians, and fish being killed, and I practice veganic farming which aims to reduce or eliminate ALL animal deaths. Do non-vegans care about insects or amphibians being killed? I’d argue that no, they don’t, because large-scale animal agriculture relies on industrial pesticides and monocropping.
3. Like learning how to cook with meat, learning how to cook vegan takes time until it’s good. I’m completely satisfied and I’m a foodie. I make my own cheese and seitan and it’s delicious.
4. This is a symptom of our broken farming system in the first place. I wholeheartedly agree that we’re destroying our soil and that something needs to be done, but increasing the scale of mass animal agriculture isn’t it. Luckily, if the world adopted a plant-based diet we’d reduce agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares, and if you recall earlier, the vast majority of plant crops are used to feed animals.

I put together a website with vegan myths a while ago. These touch on some of your points and are well (and diversely) sourced. https://crow.cafe/vegan-myths/

Remember: the meat and dairy industry has a vested interest in lying to us to increase their profits at any and all costs. This is not about me “winning” an argument, it’s about sharing what I’ve learned as someone who used to be an adamant carnivore.

Thanks for the chat and all the best!