I talk about my cycle so much that any men I'm with are going to learn eventually. I even make my guy friends hear about it.

I'm sure this varies with age, and some younger men may be more immature or resistant at first and I wouldn't consider it a huge red flag unless they were stubborn about it. But I would keep an eye out for other symptoms of toxic masculinity/misogyny at play and start a conversation.

But I'm in my 30s now and if a man is in their 30s and can't follow conversations about menstruation, that's a no-go for me. It would reveal a willful ignorance that I wouldn't be able to abide.

Forbidding the comparison of animal captivity, forced reproduction and child stealing, and economic exploitation to slavery would be a clear example of indulging a censorious impulse.

I rarely use this comparison personally because it's subject to this kind of confusion (thinking comparison to human slavery is equating to human slavery). Nevertheless it's my personal opinion that when you account for the massive scale of the suffering, billions of animals yearly, a comparison of severity can still be drawn, even with any inspecies prejudices about the richness of human lives and experience potential compared to animals.

So it seems you're automatically defensive about wanting to moderate vegan speech (preempting with "don't feel personally attacked) and deep down I think you know why.

I understand you're just trying to make a space where everyone feels welcome. But harrassment policy and other conduct policy should cover people getting out of bounds and requires no vegan specific clause. Making a vegan specific clause is a little hostile.

Unless you are truly aiming to ban people for having the opinion that it's not ok to not be vegan. That would be tone policey and censorious, in my opinion. If a vegan is actually harassing someone that calls for moderation, but its already a rule to refrain from harassing. If you want to make a rule on harassment and include several examples, and one of them is a vegan example, that would be fine.

It just reminds me of other contentious issues like racial justice or gender issues. Sometimes people didn't like getting called racist, but do you censor a racial minority because their message is intense and makes someone a little uncomfortable? People have the right to decline interactions that arent going well but they shouldnt expect to always be perfectly comfortable when writing in the public square.

Tofu does has a fairly complete amino acid profile, which is why it combines well with many vegetable proteins. It's only a little short on methionine.

Seeds, nuts, spinach, sweet potato, corn, asparagus, broccoli, chard... And more are all pretty decent sources of methionine.

You may find this article my friend wrote interesting -https://green.michaelaltfield.net/2014/10/20/complete-protein-ratios/

I think many people like to toast the bread but you don't have to.

Alright here I am, I'll take your bait.

The reason I advocate strongly for veganism is because it took me too long to become a vegan. I didn't do it until I was in my 30s and so I have participated in so much harm that now, I want to help others not experience my regret and to become vegan as soon as possible.

I know that consuming animals is normalized and entrenched in societies around the world. But many of the people doing it don't understand the scale of the harm. They don't know that its BILLIONS of animals a day. They don't know that its destroying the rainforest and is completely unsustainable. They don't know that the runoff from CAFOs is polluting the land and water. They're told pacifying lies about cagefree, grass fed, supposedly humane practices, by a billion dollar industry. They don't realize "humane" doesn't scale. People dont know that more than 90% of meat that feeds people is from CAFOs not small family operations. They don't realize how intelligent and sentient animals are. They don't realize that diets can be healthy and flavorful without animal products. They don't know about live transport practices. They don't realize how much good they can do by simply getting a plant milk or plant cheese instead of one from dairy or a mock meat instead of flesh. They don't realize we'd use far less land allowing for more forests and more places for people to live. They don't realize we'd also free many exploited agricultural laborers from brutal and backbreaking work.

I just want people to know the facts. I can't force people to care but I can make sure they know what choice they're making.

This thread is just becoming people arguing about what type of vegan speech is effective and failing to understand the concept of the seriousness with which vegans promote and believe in animal rights. To vegans, animals are individuals and their sentience is respected and taken very seriously.

I can't speak to "off topic" or "bundled insults" but if something is "off topic" or "bundled with insults" then it can be moderated accordingly.

A lot of vegans who have had enslaved ancestors are still ok with the analogy and a lot of vegans who ancestors in the holocaust are still ok with the holocaust analogy. Since there is a wide spread of people with this very common opinion, if you censor it, you're ok censoring vegan speech which is hostile to vegans.

I've already said - people compare animal agriculture to slavery because we captivate, force impregnate, mutilate, steal their children, and economically exploit animals. We violate their rights for mere taste pleasure because today, in most parts of the world, it isn't required to do this to them.

People compare it to the holocaust because every year billions are killed, in gas chambers and in abattoirs. They're led to their deaths packed on top of each other in trucks, breaking their legs on floors of shit, dehydrated, and terrified.

When people say this, it's not TRYING to get an emotional response, this is just WHAT happens and WHAT you contribute to if you consume animal products. And some people really wish you'd stop and sometimes emotions get in the way and ok, if someone crosses a line, moderate that shit.

It looks like what's really going to happen here is that because vegans are a minority, even here, the sensibilities of people who get offended by the animal rights point of view is going to blind them to the fact that they're being incredibly censorious. Enjoy your echo chamber if you want, I guess. Disappointing.

Why don't I gain anything by it?

How is it not helping to remind them where the ice cream came from, since they obviously forgot if they're complaining about it to a vegan.

And what makes you assume moral superiority? You said yourself that you understand how frustrating it is for us to hear about animals being exploited. That's where the joke comes from. People unthinkingly doing wrong and expecting us to say nothing.

Hello! Great to have you here, sorry for the delay in responding :D

We can talk about:

• Open Hardware Projects (particularly if related to ecological mindset ;))
• Open Software Projects (also particularly if related to ecological mindset)
• How to encourage people to participate in Open Hardware and Open Software Development
• Discussions on starting Open Enterprises and Mass Collaboration Efforts
• Discussions on what it's like volunteering or working with OSE
• Attempts to replicate or contribute to Global Village Construction Set or Eco Homes and related projects
• Topics related to OSE Guiding Philosophies (Integrated Human, Abundance Economy): https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Category:Guiding_philosophies

Personally, I'm going to try to start posting helpful resources starting with the more developed projects and proceeding to the less developed projects. I know that the way the wiki is, that it can be overwhelming for new people, even though it's really an amazing resource. I hope to make it less intimidating by helping people understand how to navigate the project.

But certainly by no means must all posts be absolutely directly/officially related to OSE.

Hello! For a little while I wasn't posting to the community open_source_ecology that I created and it looks like the community was removed. It may have even been by me who removed it in an attempt to prevent spammers from using an unmodded board. I am wondering if it can be reopened as now there is news I would like to share with the community and am happy to mod again. Thanks!

Totally understandable.

Btw in response to your other question about current OSE activities, the team has been heads down building the Seed Eco Home 4. Heres an image from their recent FB post.

The Seed Eco Home project is the one I wanted to post about next

During emergencies, such as the pandemic, access to PPE can become difficult. Providing an open source design for the respirator allows for decentralized manufacturing to take place, mitigating the bottlenecks of centralized production and increasing accessibility. The filtered air provided by the fan is for comfort; it is much more comfortable to receive the flow of air from this mask than using an N95, as your lungs have to do less work. Also, the pressurization means that a perfect fit isn't required, such as with an N95; for this reason, PAPRas can work more reliably for people with beards, for example.

You might also like https://www.theveganstoner.com/

420 status doesn't really matter, recommending because their recipes also feature cute illustrations. :)

I like this writing prompt/ thought exercise that you've proposed.

In your article, you mention the idea of a shared community kitchen, and it just kind of reminded me of experiences I've had at a regional "Burning Man"-like event.

Even though there are no food vendors on site, because most people follow the principle of radical self-reliance and gifting, there is always an abundance of very tasty food. Many times, I attended the event having brought freeze dried rations for myself, but only had to eat from my own stash a couple of times, and even then, mostly as a matter of choice.

I am sure that machine learning technologies are already at play in logistics and demand planning, and will only become moreso. I've read some opinions here and there that there should be a democratic element to demand planning, what do you think about that?

I feel like it was only a few years ago that I truly grasped the biodiversity of fruits. I love fruit, and I felt like I had explored many kinds of fruit, but I learned that in reality, I had only had the tiniest percentage of fruits that are out there. It definitely makes me want to be a fruit tourist.

Context matters here when we're talking about what speech you're going to outlaw on this platform. You can have whatever opinion you want on whether its ok to exploit a backyard chicken but if you ban someone for this, that's quite censorious. Why don't you just say to them what you said here and let the people suss it out.

Even though I'm on Facebook, I use it rarely, and I wasn't even in this particular subgroup where he posted it until he shared the update with me directly 😂. So I totally get ya.

Plenty of folks are using them regularly and the project is just getting started in building awareness. I am currently making one myself. I was also given some sample filament to try out, and plan to share my experience. If anyone wants to see what people are doing with these, definitely check out the discord...

I'm familiar with the other methods of PET recycling you've mentioned, and projects such as Precious Plastic's or Brothers Make, but as you mention, while they are great methods, they are much more expensive and less accessible to everyone.

I think you picked up what I mean about democracy playing a factor.

I would have to ask around I think to find out the answers to your questions. It seemed to me that there were about 10 or so people in the "community kitchen" at any given time, which in this case was a specific permanent structure on the land that had cooking facilities. One of the main things they did that I know about was make a huge batch of burritos that they would distribute to people volunteering for other functions (such as fire safety, leave-no-trace patrol, parking, rangering). But in addition to this, there were also numerous theme camps that had kitchens. But I don't really have even a rough estimate of what percentage of people were volunteering to make food for others. The event was around 2000 participants though.

I think that the combination of established kitchen and decentralized kitchen worked together to cause the sense of an abundance of food.

The experience of sharing was basically that while I was walking around, occasionally someone would say "Are you hungry?" and if I was they usually knew where I could get some food. And it was basically like, if you were in the area when a camp was making food, they shared the food with you.

Ah very cool :) Yeah I've heard of the rainbow gathering, as there's a lot of crossover between our communities. It'd certainly be neat to check out some time.

And so many people think eating chicken is healthy. Eating chicken is eating disease, filth, and suffering.