Well primarily vegans don't eat honey because it's a form of exploitation of animals (bees). This can carry ethical as well as environmental issues.

This goes into some of the reasons why vegans typically avoid honey:

https://www.careelite.de/en/why-vegans-dont-eat-honey/

TL;DR:

▪︎ Bees make the honey for themselves ▪︎ Honey production is exhausting ▪︎ We manipulate the animals for the honey ▪︎ Honey bees are exploited in mass breeding ▪︎ Bees are injured and die ▪︎ Honey is not particularly healthy ▪︎ There are plant-based alternatives ▪︎ Wild bees are important for biodiversity ▪︎ Bees are living beings and not commodities ▪︎ Wild bees are essential for the survival of us humans

And here is the Vegan Society's page on honey:

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan/honey-industry

Hope that helped :)

Rule 2: Being outspoken about animal rights or the environment isn't a negative quality.

I should clarify I'm mostly asking about a specific well-known vegan and something negative about them unrelated to their veganism.

I appreciate what you mean. I wonder what it is about the phrasing. Calling them friends is too much? It's a term of respect, that's all. I care about my friends, and I care about animals. Friends not food.

I agree people are in denial about what they consume and what they do, and it's so sad. And I think you meant this anyway. But just saying, I think this can apply all animal products, not just meat. Which is important since I think dairy and eggs are the most cruel industries of them all.

Why exactly? Don't they have empathy for animals?

I'll start; Ricky Gervais is kind of a douchebag/bully. Yes, he's vegan.

Also it's a yellow vegan symbol and http://WatchDominion.org it's a documentary about the standard practices of what unavoidably occurs to animals when they're being used for food, clothing and other purposes

I just want to point out 3 things:

1. The cheapest foods are usually plant-based whole foods, and these are almost always available, and arguably can meet the trifecta you described (taste, nutrition and pricepoint). For the taste aspect, the better someone is at cooking plant based meals, the better they can be (however taste is subjective and many people enjoy the taste of plant based whole foods in any form). More ready-to-eat plant based foods also exist and are still usually cheaper the more plant based whole foods based they are.

2. Pretty much every dish can be made vegan these days, with recipes available online showing what alternative plant-based ingredients you can swap out the animal ingredients for (many of which can be plant based whole foods), and many pre-made plant based mock/substitute foods available to buy. So while there are lots of meals/recipes to make that have always traditionally been plant-based/vegan, it expands the range much more to also include whatever meals people usually like that aren't vegan, but just make them into vegan versions instead by simply swapping out the animal based ingredients for plant based ones.

3. I agree that salads aren't usually (unless it's a 'loaded salad' with lots in it, incl. high protein foods), a complete nutritional replacement for higher-protein meals, though they can still be healthy and nutritious; and might not tick some people's boxes for conventionally tasty foods, but they can be very tasty. There are lots of other plant-based meals however which can serve as more similar replacements for highly filling, protein-full and nutritious meals.

The QR code and http://dontwatch.org It's to raise awareness of what people usually either don't realise they're participating in or are disconnected or desensitised from

I'd rather not potentially waste my time watching something to see if it's good, if others can tell me that have already seen it. That could be one reason people seek others' opinions first, idk. However I acknowledge that this method doesn't always lead to successful recommendations.

Yeah :/ On the bright side, they're presented as a pretty "cool"/attractive character and it also exposed a lot of people to the idea of veganism in the first place. I liked the fact that a lot of people heard this line said by a vegan character in a mainstream movie: "I partake not in the meat, nor the breast milk, nor the ovum, of any creature with a face." (The 'with a face' part was unnecessary, since there are faceless animals we don't eat/exploit either, but good enough)

I actually have no problem following a vegan diet myself (I find it really easy, track my nutrients and blood tests are fine after a long time), but I've researched plant nutrition and similar topics more than maybe the average person has (and before I did, I might not have been eating what I needed to, although it's possible I actually was anyway).

So this was more just wondering about ways to make it easier for the average person to go vegan, so that when advocating to people about veganism/animal rights/environmentalism/plant based diets, we can say "vegan diets are easy, you don't even have to think about what to eat, just eat plant-based foods and you'll be fine". If only that were true, but I think while it's quite possible a person could get enough nutrients on a plant based diet without thinking about it (I pretty much did until I started looking into it more), it's currently highly recommended for people to learn about which foods to ensure they're eating enough of, in order to prevent cases of people not eating properly and getting sick and then unfairly blaming plant-based diets as a whole, which sadly do happen.

Having more fortified foods and just nutritious plant based foods available in general, as well as promoting them for plant based nutrition, could make it easier for people who don't know much about plant based diets and haven't researched it. Another option, aside from learning about what kinds of plant based foods to eat, might be for people to take supplements if they're unsure about what to eat or while they're still researching about it. And for some people, supplements might be a good option anyway just to make it easier or depending on what they're eating, and what works for them.

I get all my nutrients from plant-based foods (including fortified foods), not because I have any problem at all with supplements/vitamins, but simply because it's actually easier for me to just incorporate different foods into my diet instead of taking supplements. For other people, supplements might be easier, and could be recommended if they don't know what to eat (though they could easily learn), or if they're unsure, or if it just works better for them.

I wasn't able to upvote it. I think it's stuck on 0. Just my experience.

That's fair, I guess I would just hate for people to read it and take the absence of any description of how the dairy cow-human relationship is a horrific, unjust, exploitative and oppressive one to mean that dairy farming is acceptable.

If we really are exploring that relationship genuinely and without obscuring facts, the suffering dairy cows experience at the hands of humans must be acknowledged.

Checks notes: is a plant, has egg in the name. Yes.

Okay, not the best example. He's alright. I couldn't think of any but I was demonstrating the gist of the question.

Hence why veganism is a moral obligation to animals. It's indefensible to kill or exploit/harm an animal without their consent (which they can't give), and which clearly isn't in their best interests

Unnecessarily killing or harming a sentient individual is wrong, full stop

Could it be possible that animal liberationist is the most common meaning of animalist based on this? Just wondering.

The Good Place is a series I recommend.