I bet someone named Rashcus Marford is gonna be feeling pretty stupid now.
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/barcelona-closing-70m-anthony-gordon-180620500.htmlOpen linkView original on lemmy.worldRuben Amorim did not hang around.
Shortly after being informed by Manchester United’s chief executive Omar Berrada and director of football Jason Wilcox that he had been sacked as the club’s head coach at their Carrington training ground, Amorim packed his things into a box, said his goodbyes and hurriedly left the building. His assistants were gathering their possessions as some players arrived. They asked the coaches where they were going. “Home,” they replied.
It was one of the more bizarre moments in another tumultuous 72 hours at Old Trafford that saw Amorim dismissed after just 14 months in charge and replaced by United’s former midfielder Darren Fletcher on an interim basis. Amorim and his assistants are due around £10million ($13.5m) as a compensation package.
The Athletic has spoken to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation at United and it can be revealed that:
Tensions between Amorim and Wilcox came to a head in a heated meeting on Friday over tactics and transfers.
Minority owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe wanted Amorim to switch from his preferred back three to a back four, as did Wilcox.
The Glazer family, the club’s majority shareholders, had expressed disquiet at United’s results as long ago as August.
David Gill, United’s former chief executive, questioned the wisdom of Amorim’s ‘bomb squad’in a football board meeting.
There was friction between Amorim and Christopher Vivell, United’s director of recruitment, over transfer policy.
The head coach was involved in a training ground confrontation with defender Lisandro Martinez a few weeks ago.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is under consideration to return as the club’s caretaker manager until the summer, with Jonny Evans also in contention to return to the coaching staff.
This is the full, remarkable story of how Amorim — hailed as the coach who could helm a long-term football project when he was appointed — saw his tenure fall apart.
Although the seeds of Amorim’s demise at Manchester United were sewn at various stages, the ground finally fell from beneath him during a tempestuous encounter with Wilcox on Friday.
Amorim, people at United would argue, was the catalyst, erupting when discussion turned to tactics and transfers. Amorim had sensed a creep onto his territory during recent weeks and the result has been described, by sources close to the club, as a “massive fall-out” between the pair.
In their face-to-face meeting at Carrington, Wilcox suggested to Amorim that the players were struggling to gain trust in his 3-4-2-1 system and had become confused over his vision. Amorim would train the team in a back four, only for a back three to be selected in games. They also sensed he lacked faith in them due to his selections and public statements.
Amorim responded that the players needed to be changed. Wilcox said he wanted to work through the issues, evolving the squad over time but sticking with Amorim. Amorim reacted by saying he wished to leave the club and would be calling his agent.
The repercussions were so seismic that a meeting between Amorim and his squad, scheduled to take place afterwards, was cancelled.
The irony is that Wilcox, who regularly watches training, was seen as one of Amorim’s big allies. They would talk daily and conversations took place over formations. Wilcox is known to like the 4-3-3 that has brought Manchester City such success, although up until recently, that did not translate into direct advice to Amorim.
However, Ratcliffe has made his desire for United to switch to a back four clear and it is felt Wilcox has increased his efforts to persuade Amorim to show more flexibility. United insiders say an evolution was always part of the plan, with Amorim telling officials at the outset he wanted to start with a back three, but would add layers once players better understood his methods.
But with Ratcliffe having opinions on the team, things became more delicate. Handling Ratcliffe’s input is one of Wilcox’s major tasks. Ratcliffe leans on him for his football knowledge but also expresses thoughts of his own. During the 1-1 draw against Wolverhampton Wanderers, Ratcliffe was visibly angry at the sloppy manner in which United conceded an equaliser before half-time. Earlier in the season, Ratcliffe also proposed playing Bryan Mbeumo at wing-back.
Amorim did adapt to a degree by sending his team out in a predominantly 4-4-2 shape against Bournemouth on December 15, and then a clear 4-2-3-1 system against Newcastle United on Boxing Day. During talks with Antonie Semenyo, he told the Bournemouth forward he would play as a left-winger in a 4-3-3.
But when Amorim reverted to his 3-4-2-1 for Wolves’ visit, the half-time substitution of Joshua Zirkzee, one of his few senior attackers, concerned members of United’s hierarchy.
United’s senior leadership team, including Berrada and Wilcox, were seen leaving Old Trafford around 90 minutes after the final whistle, in a sign that prolonged conversations with Amorim were taking place.
That set the scene for Wilcox’s intervention with Amorim at United’s training base three days later.
Recruitment was another tension for Amorim that came to a boil. The problems began last summer but a specific recent grievance was that he felt United had failed to give their all to sign Semenyo, who is set to join Manchester City.
United could have paid Bournemouth’s £65million release clause and advanced on talks with the forward, but ultimately they felt he wanted the immediate chance to challenge for the Premier League.
Perhaps more consequential was the legacy of last summer’s aborted pursuit. Semenyo went as far as dining with Amorim and Wilcox in London during a charm offensive, only for United to switch targets to Mbeumo because they viewed Bournemouth’s £70m asking price as too high. Mbeumo was projected as costing at most £55m, but eventually Brentford pushed the fee to £65m plus £6m in add-ons. Semenyo was disappointed that he had been rejected for a player ending up at the same valuation, and he seemed in no rush to answer United’s call a second time around.
Instead of using the money earmarked for Semenyo on another January transfer, however, Amorim was told that major reinforcements would have to wait until summer. “You are a smart guy,” he told a reporter when asked, at Friday’s press conference to preview the Leeds United game, whether budgets had altered.
Having arrived with a mandate for change, which would require work in the market, Amorim detected an uncertainty from above.
The background to Amorim’s mindset could be traced to his appointment. He and Ratcliffe had a prolonged one-on-one interview. Amorim perhaps sensed he was Ratcliffe’s appointment, and therefore had more latitude under United’s executive structure.
When Amorim then selected his 3-4-2-1 system at Elland Road, featuring just two attackers, it appeared to those with knowledge of the situation that he was making clear that, if this was to be his last game, he would bow out his way. That meant both on the pitch and in the media room, where he let rip over his status as a manager, even though his title has always been head coach.
He brought up “the sporting director” and “the scouting department”, saying that everybody needed to do their jobs. Wilcox was a target; so too, in all likelihood, was Vivell, United’s director of recruitment. There has been friction between Amorim and Vivell over signings, notably Benjamin Sesko and Senne Lammens, as well as tactics. Vivell has mentioned internally that United need more variability, and earlier in the season highlighted Fulham manager Marco Silva’s comments about Amorim’s side being easy to play against.
On Sunday, Amorim marked his territory, suggesting people at the club might not be able to “handle” the criticism of former United captain Gary Neville. It is believed to be a reference to the possibility that Ratcliffe watches Neville’s podcast, in which he has questioned Amorim’s tactics, but it surprised people at United.
Amorim finished his outburst by saying: “It’s going to be like this for 18 months or when the board decide to change. I’m not going to quit. I will do my job until another guy is coming here to replace me.”
If Amorim’s conduct on Friday had made his position close to untenable, prompting discussion between Ratcliffe and the majority shareholders, the Glazer family, in the United States, his words 48 hours later were a clear invitation to make a change. Berrada and Wilcox made that decision, supported by United’s co-owners, informing the 40-year-old at Carrington on Monday morning.
Berrada and Wilcox then called a meeting with the players. Wilcox told those listening that the last two days had really shocked him. He insisted the club had given Amorim what he wanted, but he had made his feelings clear on an exit. “We don’t understand where the last 48 hours have come from,” he told the squad. Wilcox said Amorim had changed and United had to act.
Wilcox, who has taken soundings from players, also told them he had sensed some situations where they were not on the same wavelength as Amorim.
Wilcox informed the players that Fletcher would be in charge for the next two games, taking in Wednesday’s trip to Burnley and Sunday’s home FA Cup tie against Brighton & Hove Albion. Fletcher then took the session alongside Travis Binnion, the under-21s lead coach. The mood was said to be excellent.
Later, Amorim was seen walking happily in the snow with his wife around his Cheshire home, even shaking hands with photographers.
United are liable to pay up Amorim’s contract in full, £10m for him and his six staff members. There had been speculation that the compensation figure had been reduced once Amorim was in place for a year, but he negotiated a strong deal because United wanted him to leave Sporting CP early.
The sum would have dropped had United’s hierarchy pulled the trigger once the team had finished in a lowly Premier League position, detailed specifically in his terms. This was believed to be midway into the bottom half of the table, only coming into effect after a full campaign.
United will take their time on a new permanent appointment, potentially waiting until summer when the contracts of Oliver Glasner (Crystal Palace), Andoni Iraola (Bournemouth), and Marco Silva (Fulham) are set to expire.
Fletcher will get a chance to show his credentials, but a longer-term caretaker has not been ruled out, with Solskjaer even under consideration in what would be an emotional comeback. Michael Carrick has also been mentioned for a possible return, while Evans could also be appointed to the club’s coaching staff, possibly in time to assist Fletcher at Burnley tomorrow. Wilcox, who will lead the process, and Berrada are aware that knowledge of United can be beneficial.
Fletcher’s name was raised internally as an interim candidate as far back as September, when contingencies were first lightly floated after the 3-1 defeat against Brentford. United backed Amorim then, and that support was clear at the football board meeting at Old Trafford attended by Sir Alex Ferguson and Gill.
Berrada and Wilcox, alongside Amorim, pointed to good underlying numbers, including expected goals (xG), as reasons to detect progress. They mentioned how such an approach had aided Manchester City’s rise. For instance, United staff showed Matheus Cunha how a shot he tried from outside the area at Brentford, with Bruno Fernandes free, had a low xG.
Ratcliffe wants United to embrace the numbers and is in regular contact with Michael Sansoni, the club’s director of data science, although that has not always been seen as helpful by other football staff.
At the Old Trafford meeting, Gill had thoughts of his own, challenging Amorim on the logic of consigning some of the club’s biggest names to the ‘bomb squad’ — pointing out that exiling Marcus Rashford, Alejandro Garnacho, Jadon Sancho and Antony had cost the club millions.
Some at United feel the treatment of Garnacho, who departed for Chelsea in a £40m deal in August, reduced his value by £15m. Tyrell Malacia did not leave and was eventually reintegrated into the first-team squad, but not before a spell training with the under-21s on Amorim’s insistence and, on one occasion when that squad was involved in a match, with the under-18s.
That was, though, a sign of United backing Amorim — and arguably treating him as a ‘manager’, rather than the head coach of his job description. He also attended the executive committee meeting at the end of last season, a high-level summit including Ratcliffe and executive co-chairmen and directors Joel and Avram Glazer, while the club went along with his wishes to scrap an Amazon documentary.
Indeed, last summer, United were so committed to Amorim they were prepared to sell Kobbie Mainoo for £40m. Mainoo is one of the big winners from Amorim’s departure. Feeling he had no future under Amorim, the 20-year-old midfielder wanted a loan away, but he is now expected to stay.
But as time went on, Amorim felt that power eroding. When it came down to signing Aston Villa striker Ollie Watkins or Sesko from RB Leipzig, Amorim would have preferred Watkins — older, then aged 29, but proven in the Premier League.
That, however, was not a major issue: a bigger point of contention was the goalkeeper.
Amorim wanted experience, namely Emiliano Martinez, also at Villa. United, having been recommended the 23-year-old Lammens by Tony Coton, the club’s chief goalkeeping scout, went for the younger player. He was also much less expensive in transfer fee and wages.
Emiliano Martinez had support from some in United’s team, specifically compatriot Lisandro Martinez, who went as far as lobbying for his signing to Ratcliffe, as they were already in contact over his rehabilitation from an anterior cruciate ligament injury.
It aggravated Amorim, but United believe that signing Lammens shows that figures such as Wilcox and Vivell are taking the long-term view.
But Amorim continued to feel a reduction in his authority. That might be attributed in part to the Glazers, who have been expressing their dissatisfaction over results as early as August. They are still expected to let Ratcliffe run the club but can, in theory, step in at any time as majority shareholders. They do have questions about the setup and relevant experience of those in charge.
There are big questions for Berrada, after he backed Amorim’s appointment so decisively. Dan Ashworth, then sporting director, initially recommended candidates with Premier League experience. Wilcox had reservations about picking a manager so wedded to a back three but came round.
The INEOS ledger currently reads poorly, with three major decisions going wrong in retaining former manager Erik ten Hag, and then hiring and firing Ashworth and Amorim, who was sacked with a 38.1 per cent win ratio, the worst record of any United boss in the Premier League era.
The cost of all this sits awkwardly against the mass redundancies of ordinary staff.
While Amorim was charming and generous with fans and regular staff, some players wanted better communication from him.
On occasions, though, he responded positively to being challenged. He and Martinez squared up to each other during training in December, in the period when United faced Crystal Palace and West Ham United. Martinez considered himself ready to start and, feeling Amorim was overlooking him, made his point in what has been described as an “intense” manner.
Martinez, who made substitute appearances against Palace and West Ham, was not named in an XI until the Boxing Day game against Newcastle, but he was made captain and continued to wear the armband for Amorim’s final two games, demonstrating how the head coach admired his energy.
Those who have observed Amorim say that kind of strength from his assistants would have been beneficial. His group, which he brought from Sporting, is seen as mirroring his ideas rather than offering alternatives or challenges.
Fletcher, for instance, was one of those who lobbied Ten Hag to change systems after the 4-0 defeat against Crystal Palace in May 2024. The 4-2-4 that Ten Hag then chose ultimately won United the FA Cup.
People at United feel that kind of nuance would have gained United more points, notably in November’s defeat at home against 10-man Everton.
Amorim’s relationship with the academy was also a subject of contention. He declined the chance to give Shea Lacey his debut in the stress-free surroundings of the 4-1 victory at Wolves, instead throwing him on with United 2-1 down at Aston Villa.
Bendito Mantato’s arrival as a late substitute against Wolves, when his previous performance at Old Trafford for United’s under-21s against Athletic Club suggested he is still a raw 17-year-old, left some confused. Calls such as those are the head coach’s prerogative, and he might have felt any questions to that end were unjustified — but one senior member of staff did not recall Amorim ever attending an academy game during his tenure.
Similar observations were made about Amorim staying in the dugout while the shootout took place in the Carabao Cup against Grimsby Town. Jorge Vital, the goalkeeping coach, was also withdrawn from view, with deputy Craig Mawson taking a prominent role in talking Andre Onana through the penalties. That game will be remembered for Amorim’s tactics board and his post-match accusation that the players had “spoke really loud”.
Idiosyncrasies aside, United say the head coach is a key part of the club’s “ecosystem”, but they cannot sit above it, and a collaborative approach is the way to achieve success. Whoever comes in next on a permanent basis will need to adhere to that.
Wilcox is on record on that theme. “I’m a coach at heart,” he told the United former players’ association in September. “That’s a strength in my role now but also causes me a bit of a problem because I always want to interfere in what the managers are doing.”
For all the sense of turmoil at Old Trafford, the current season is very much alive, with United in sixth, three points off the Champions League places.
That is another reason the club have acted now — to generate the upturn they felt Amorim could not deliver.
Amorim himself was always attuned to the vagaries of football. After his team had beaten Brighton to win three games in a row, including victory at Anfield, he replied to a close observer of the club who had sent a congratulatory message. “Did you see Vitor Pereira’s situation? Was a god two months ago. You never know what will happen tomorrow.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6942339/2026/01/06/ruben-amorim-sacked-manchester-united-inside-story/Open linkView original on sh.itjust.worksIn February of 1989 a businessman from Arkansas named Jerry Jones bought the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys had been a once proud franchise. They had played in five Super Bowls in the 1970s, winning two, but by the late 80s the Cowboys were experiencing some of the lowest points in the franchise’s history.
Since the NFL rewards ineptitude by virtue of giving the worst teams the best draft picks, this was actually the best time for Jones to buy in. The year before he arrived the Cowboys had drafted future Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael Irvin. In Jones’ first year the Cowboys owned the first pick in the draft which they used to select future Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman.
A year later the Cowboys should have owned the number one pick again but a questionable roster move made them forfeit the pick¹. Thanks to some big trades they ultimately ended up with the 17th pick which they used to select future Hall of Famer and the NFL’s eventual all time leading rusher Emmitt Smith.
Within two years of owning the team Jerry Jones had stumbled into three future hall of fame players who would carry the team to three Super Bowls between 1992 and 1995. Tremendous short term success that I’m sure no Cowboy fan who lived through it would trade for anything. It very much might have come at the expense of any long term success.
Jones built his wealth when the oil company he started in Arkansas became successful. He started the company himself and always did things his way. He believed in himself you could say to a fault, but this oil company hitting it big only served to vindicate him.
When Jones bought the Cowboys he brought the same I know what’s best and I’m going to do it myself attitude. Within a few months he fired longtime general manager Tex Schramm and named himself President and General Manager - two roles he still holds today.
The Cowboys are essentially Jerry’s play thing. No one has the ability to fire him and hire a real general manager. He calls all the shots. In his 35 years in charge he’s built the Cowboys into a financial juggernaut but after catching lightning in a bottle the first few years of his ownership, there hasn’t been any on-field success in 30 years.
At times Jones looked to surround himself with smart and knowledgeable “football men.²” He hired big name coaches with big personalities such as Jimmy Johnson and later Bill Parcells but he ultimately fell out with both of them when they disagreed with Jones’ ideas. More recently he’s gone with far less exciting names - such as Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, and Mike McCarthy - whose tenures probably went on too long simply because they were “yes men” to Jones.
Jerry Jones is not the type of owner you want to emulate. You want an owner who buys the team, hires competent and qualified people to run the team, and empowers them to do their job while he sits back and just signs the checks. You don’t want someone who suddenly thinks they’re qualified to run a team simply because they had enough money to buy it.
Unfortunately for Manchester United, the tale of Jerry Jones is starting to hit a bit close to home.
It hasn’t even been two full years since Sir Jim Ratcliffe and INEOS bought a minority stake in Manchester United that gave them operating control of the club. The early returns do not give many reasons for optimism over the future.
INEOS had some early success as United won the FA Cup just a few months into their tenure. However that was coupled with - at the time - United’s worst ever Premier League finish when they fell to eighth. A year later United reached new lows, falling to 15th. They reached the Europa League final but lost 1-0 to Spurs in what was a truly tepid performance.
INEOS have been around for two summer transfer windows but many of their signings have been uninspiring while the team has gotten worse. Their handpicked manager has won just nine of 33 Premier League matches and is clearly out of his depth.
Read that again. 10 months into the job Ruben Amorim has just nine wins. Strip out the most difficult matches against the “Top Six” and the matches against the newly promoted clubs and Amorim’s record reads 3W 3D 12L in 18 games. He has lost 75 percent of his matches against the Premier League’s “middle class.”
It is simply astonishing that a club like Manchester United is allowing this to go on. It’s being allowed for one reason and one reason only. Mr Jim does not want to admit he made a mistake.
It’s almost impossible to believe that every high ranking member of the United brass including people with the C/V’s of Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox are still behind Amorim. What is starting to look like the most plausible explanation of what’s going on at Old Trafford is that the only opinion that matters is Ratcliffe’s. If the boss wants to go in direction A, the club is going in direction A. If you don’t like it, get off the train.
Ratcliffe talked a great game when he first bought into the club. He talked about wanting to hire the best football people and let them make the decisions. He name dropped players that he believed were bad deals that the club needed to get away from. He talked about how the club was in the stone age when it came to data analysis and that the club’s financial situation and how FFP might limit what they could do in the immediate future of the market.
He sounded very competent but based on reports around the club, Ratcliffe’s action, and just seeing how he has managed the club over two years it can possibly be viewed from a different lens.
When Sir Jim first mentioned the PSR complications it sounded like he was trying to set reasonable expectations for the fanbase and explain complications. But then he kept talking about it, and the more he kept talking about it the more it started to sound like these were things he was just learning about himself.
Those players he name dropped in different interviews? They all “coincidentally” ended up in Ruben Amorim’s “bomb squad” this past summer. The one exception has been Casemiro - who was name dropped by Ratcliffe before he even bought the club and United have unsuccessfully tried to sell the past three transfer windows.
Consider this. Casemiro was United’s best player during Ruud van Nistelrooy’s short interim spell last season. When Amorim came in he followed the same schedule as Marcus Rashford: starts against Ipswich and Everton, dropped against Arsenal and Nottingham Forest, a start against Viktoria Plzen and then, with two weeks to go before the transfer window opened… that’s it³. He came back into the team against Newcastle only because injuries and suspensions left Amorim no choice.
Casemiro made a grand total of one appearance for 19 minutes in the month of January. Then, as soon as the transfer window slammed shut, Casemiro was back in the team - playing 89 minutes against Tottenham. Concerns over the lack of match fitness were non-existent. He played nearly every minute of the knockout rounds in the Europa League while being rested a little more in the Premier League - except for playing all 90 minutes against Liverpool and Manchester City, the two most difficult matches.
That doesn’t sound like a manager not liking a player or having issues with him. That sounds like a manager keeping a player in bubble wrap as management tries to sell him.⁴
Most fans probably believe they can run a football club better than the people who are currently doing it. Frankly, some of them probably can, but we’ll never get that opportunity.
Sir Jim had the means to buy that opportunity and his first priority has been trying to rid the perceived mistakes of the previous regime. I use the word perceive because Ratcliffe might have the same idea, he just doesn’t like that it was someone else’s.
This was most prevalent in United’s summer transfer window. Two years ago United signed a project striker in Rasmus Hojlund. After a promising season he took a major step back last year under Amorim. United decided they needed to replace him but not with a proven striker, but simply another project striker whose potential was much higher than anything we’d seen on the pitch so far.
Last season United signed Joshua Zirkzee who had a paltry three goals and 0.19 goals per 90. Yet it was Hojlund who was pushed out of the club this summer as The Athletic reported, “Hojlund was tarred by being bought by previous recruitment staff in a way that Joshua Zirkzee, signed last summer, was not.”
It wasn’t that Hojlund was bad. It was that he belonged to someone else. Sir Jim wanted his own Hojlund.
The decision to even sign Sesko after signing Mathues Cunha and Bryan Mbeumo is questionable. Ratcliffe talked about how United data analysis department was in the stone age so he set about hiring new people. Those people have even taken to LinkedIn to brag about the advanced data that lead to making these signings.
Except United’s recruitment didn’t look advanced at all. It looked rudimentary.
United did not score a lot of goals last year. They massively underperformed their against their xG. Rather than diving into why this might have been happening, the joke - which has been made by many - is that they simply went to the shooting table on Fbref, sorted it by npG-xG, and went for the top two players on the list⁵.
When you sign two players like Mbeumo and Cunha you’re signing them to carry the goal-scoring burden. In order to do that and maximize their ability you’re going to want to get them the ball.
According to The Athletic at this point United began weighing up moving for a midfielder only for the lack of goals last season to be brought up again and United to target a goal scorer. Ratcliffe backed that call.
This is such rudimentary analysis. To call it surface level might not even be accurate as it might be above the surface. This more aligns with some of the people I speak with at the pub who say things like just get us a proper striker and we’ll score goals. The age of those people tends to skew much closer to Ratcliffe’s age than mine.
For any paid data scientist to come to this conclusion would be concerning - particularly when you think of the future analysis they would be doing. There’s only two explanations here. One is that the data scientists United hired are really bad. The other is they’re not being listened to.
Maybe this nothing more than cope but the latter is starting to make an awful lot of sense.
On the recent episode of the Talk of the Devils podcast, Laurie Whitwell echoed previous reports - that former Director of Football Dan Ashworth was sacked for being the dissenting voice in the decision to hire Ruben Amorim.
This was literally what Ashworth was hired to do. Make decisions regarding football matters and if you don’t think something is a good idea, voice that opinion.
You can cover up Ashworth’s sacking by saying you want everyone to be on the same page. To a certain level that’s true, but at United it’s nothing more than Jim Ratcliffe’s page.
There have been whispered accusations that those at the top of the club, such as Berrada and Wilcox, are afraid to challenge Ratcliffe. That they are merely “yes-men.” The Athletic has reported that INEOS Head of Sport Sir Dave Brailsford is the only person who talks honestly with Sir Jim.
How is that going? In February Brailsford was described as being “all in” on Manchester United. He relocated his family from Monaco to Manchester so he could be present at Carrington every day. In June it was announced that Brailsford was stepping back from Manchester United. Maybe honesty isn’t the best policy?
There is no doubt that Ratcliffe meant it when he said he wanted to hire good football people. However it’s nothing more than self-validation. He wants the best people but he wants them to agree with him because if the smartest people agree with my ideas and think they are good, then I must be as smart as the smartest people.
If the top people might start losing their jobs for so much as disagreeing with the direction Ratcliffe wants to go they’re quickly going to figure out that they should keep any disagreements to themselves. At that point, it doesn’t matter how smart they are or how good they are at their jobs.
Jim Ratcliffe had the means to do what many of us wish we could - run the football club the way we want to. He may not have football experience but his success in the business world has made him believe that he’ll figure this out too.
It’s no different than Jerry Jones, only Ratcliffe didn’t inherit three future Hall of Famers to jump start his tenure.
I don’t have enough inside information to present any of this as fact. Maybe I’m just coping due to the general malaise of the club. But from where I’m sitting it looks like there are one of two options. Either Ratcliffe has hired bad people who have not made a lot of good decisions in their first year(s) on the job, or it doesn’t really matter who he’s hired because Ratcliffe is way too hands on and doing whatever he wants to do regardless of what any of the people he hired say.
I’m not sure which of those options is worse, but neither of them are good.
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https://kwestthoughts.substack.com/p/do-we-have-a-sir-jim-problemOpen linkView original on sh.itjust.worksAfter the final whistle sounded at Craven Cottage on Sunday, Kobbie Mainoo strolled on to the pitch, dropped down on his haunches and contemplated having watched Manchester United’s first two games of the new Premier League season entirely from the substitutes’ bench.
Mainoo looked just as downbeat and ruminative as he quietly boarded United’s team bus for the trip home later that evening, his head hung low.
You did not need to be a body language expert to see that — according to those familiar with the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity to protect relationships — he has been left deeply frustrated by not featuring in either of United’s matches this season so far.
Still, this is nothing particularly new. Questions over Mainoo’s playing time and his role within Ruben Amorim’s system have abounded for months.
As a result, the 20-year-old United academy graduate is open to leaving his boyhood club before the transfer window closes on Monday, having discussed as much with team-mates. United, meanwhile, have been considering the prospect of selling him all summer, sources say.
Although not part of the four-man ‘bomb squad’ alongside Alejandro Garnacho, Antony, Jadon Sancho and Tyrell Malacia, who have trained separately following their returns to United’s Carrington base to begin pre-season, Mainoo — like striker Rasmus Hojlund — has been identified internally as a potential departure since the start of the window in June, and the club have been willing to sell him at the right price since as far back as January.
United sources insist they are not actively pushing Mainoo out the door, however, and staff are happy with him, albeit, like all players, he has areas to improve. People at Old Trafford expect him to remain a United player beyond next week’s deadline, with the caveat that anything can happen in the final days of a transfer window.
Mainoo is said to be training well at United (Ash Donelon/Manchester United via Getty Images) But aside from the pursuit of Carlos Baleba, a dream target who is considered too expensive to prise away from Brighton & Hove Albion this year, United’s summer-long search for a midfielder has focused more heavily on identifying an alternative to Bruno Fernandes. Somebody who would play alongside either Casemiro or Manuel Ugarte. One who would, in effect, replace Mainoo within the squad, as per Amorim’s latest description of his role.
Bayern Munich explored the possibility of a move for Mainoo but did not formalise their interest. New Bayer Leverkusen manager Erik ten Hag would have liked to reunite with a player he championed and promoted while in charge at Old Trafford, but a deal was thought to be out of the German club’s reach financially.
Mainoo is thought to prefer moving to the continent rather than staying in the Premier League — he explored options in Germany when coming through United’s academy — even though there has been interest from closer to home. When Chelsea enquired about his availability during the January window, Stamford Bridge officials were quoted a £70million asking price. There is a belief United would now accept around £45m, potentially even less as the deadline draws near.
Whether other exit routes open up for Mainoo between now and Monday night remains to be seen — he has also been linked with Tottenham Hotspur — but if he stays or goes, the fact is a local-born academy graduate is closer to leaving than ever for two principal reasons: his struggles for regular playing time under Amorim, and an impasse in discussions over a new contract.
Mainoo signed a four-year deal, with the option of a further year, in February 2023. At the time, he had only made two senior appearances, starting in a Carabao Cup quarter-final tie against third-tier Charlton Athletic, then coming on as a substitute in a FA Cup fourth-round against Reading, then of the second-tier Championship.
His first and only Premier League appearance that season — an 11-minute cameo against relegation-bound Leicester City — was still a few days away, and so the salary offered by United was typical for an academy talent with potential to break through into the first-team squad.
And yet a little more than a year later, he had established himself as a regular under Ten Hag, playing 32 games and scoring five times, including what proved the winner in a famous 2-1 FA Cup final defeat of Manchester City.
Then came his first major international tournament call-up with England, starting four games under Gareth Southgate at that summer’s European Championship, including the 2-1 loss to Spain in the final.
Mainoo was a regular in England’s run to the Euro 2024 final (Justin Setterfield/Getty Images) That rapid ascent is why even some who know Mainoo well can sympathise that, at a potentially critical juncture in his career, the next step is a difficult one to navigate for both the player and the club.
Mainoo is currently paid around £20,000 a week. Conversations over a new, extended deal have taken place over the past year and have understandably centred around a hike to that salary.
As a key player for the club, Mainoo was hoping for a substantial improvement to his terms — potentially up to 10 times those present wages. At one stage, he was starting in midfield ahead of Casemiro, a player on around £350,000 per week when United are in the Champions League. But the club were reluctant to meet that outlay even when he was playing regularly, believing he would only be ready to move up to such a pay grade after another year or two of development.
Right now, the prospect of any new deal looks remote. Those familiar with the situation say Mainoo currently has no intention of renewing, given his playing opportunities under Amorim. His willingness to leave was initially thought to be a bargaining position by many at the club but it has become a possibility, if not this summer, then in a future window.
Few players in Mainoo’s position would commit themselves to a club where they were not sure of regular minutes anyway, and concerns that the 20-year-old does not have a clear pathway to more game time within Amorim’s system are more relevant now than ever.
Ruben Amorim has doubts over Mainoo (Matt McNulty/Getty Images) Amorim reiterated on Sunday that Mainoo’s direct rival for a place is currently Fernandes — the club captain who started all but five of United’s 60 games in all competitions last season, and is set to predominantly play in midfield rather than at No 10 in this one after the summer arrivals of Matheus Cunha and Bryan Mbeumo.
This reconfiguration of the squad has pushed Mainoo to the fringes. But his minutes, and particularly his opportunities in central midfield, were diminishing long before Cunha and Mbeumo arrived. After missing most of November appointment Amorim’s first few weeks in charge through injury, Mainoo started as part of the two-man midfield pivot in six of United’s seven games from mid-December to mid-January, up until the 3-1 loss to Brighton at Old Trafford.
From then on, Amorim began deploying Fernandes in midfield more regularly, and experimented with Mainoo as a No 10 and a false nine. He did not start in midfield again before picking up another injury in February during a week of heavy training at Carrington, sidelining him until early April.
Once he returned, Mainoo’s only starts came as part of rotated line-ups in games before or after United’s critical Europa League knockout ties with Lyon and Athletic Club. Across those four legs, he played 59 minutes of a possible 390 — mostly during the extra-time period against Lyon, when he was introduced as an 86th-minute substitute, then scored a 120th-minute equaliser.
Despite that dramatic goal, and although United were trailing Tottenham throughout the second half, he was only a substitute again in the final itself, brought on in the 90th minute. His first competitive appearance since that match could come tonight (Wednesday) in the Carabao Cup second round tie away to fourth-tier Grimsby Town.
So why has Mainoo suddenly fallen out of favour, particularly as an option in midfield? Mobility is said to be one area of his game that Amorim has targeted for improvement. The manager said this summer that Mainoo needs to “increase the pace, the rhythm” of his play. “I’m always on top of that with Kobbie because he’s so good sometimes, but he can be better,” Amorim added.
When Mainoo returned to training after recovering from that injury in the spring, many at Carrington noted he had bulked up physically during his spell on the sidelines, adding more muscle mass to his then teenage frame, leading some to question whether that would help or hinder his agility.
There is an argument that, at his age, rotation-level minutes should be expected. United have arguably placed too much responsibility on young shoulders in the past. It should not be forgotten that Amorim was an international midfielder himself, playing 14 times for Portugal, and knows that you do not peak at such an early age.
Yet some figures close to Mainoo have been left dumbfounded by his fall from favour and surprised by a lack of communication from Amorim. Rather than provide specific instructions, the 40-year-old’s general attitude to concerns about playing time is to tell players to train hard and earn their spot. That applies to all of his squad, not just Mainoo — Casemiro found favour again after being out of the picture.
Mainoo celebrates scoring against FCSB last season (Vasile Mihai-Antonio/Getty Images) Yet whether it is the best approach for youngsters who require guidance and feedback is questioned in some quarters.
Mainoo, for his part, is said to be doing the right things and quietly going about his business around Carrington. He is close to fellow youngster Leny Yoro, with the pair doing fitness work together during the summer and also being seen socialising in Manchester.
The season is still only two games old, as sources at Old Trafford are keen to stress, and Amorim has repeatedly said there will be opportunities for younger players and those on the fringes further down the line. Yet those opening games have only demonstrated how difficult it will be for a talented academy graduate, who is immensely popular with supporters, to earn regular minutes in his best position. And, importantly, during a World Cup year, too.
In the two league games to date this season, when Amorim has turned to his bench with United searching for either an equaliser or a late winner, he chose to bring on Ugarte and Harry Maguire against Arsenal, and Ugarte, Maguire and Ayden Heaven at Fulham, apparently preferring players who could offer a threat from set pieces over Mainoo’s skill set.
There is also the connection with United’s youth record that Mainoo represents. There has been an academy graduate in every United senior matchday squad dating back to 1937. He was the only one in the 20 for last season’s Manchester derby against City at the Etihad Stadium, and should he leave, a run that stands at 4,323 games could be broken.
Mainoo’s rise has been fast, perhaps so accelerated that a period of readjustment was inevitable at some point, but there is increasingly a sense that it has now stalled, and further progress may only be possible away from his boyhood club.
Additional reporting: Adam Crafton
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