Younger Americans are friendlier to China
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Propaganda works.
What's funny is I can't tell if you're talking about younger Americans refusing to hate China or older Americans chanting "China Bad!"
Have we forgot about the fucking Uighur concentration camps? Suddenly there's no waitlist for organs after these camps start going up? China bad.
Edit: go educate yourself https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/forced-organ-harvesting
300,000 people are on the organ donor wait-list in China at this very moment.
You're a perfect example of the power of propaganda lol
That's back when they first started being detained, waitlist dropped to zero, now they have run a little low on supply. This was two years ago or more. Go look up information before sounding stupid on the internet.
https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/forced-organ-harvesting Here's the first result on Google if you took 15 seconds out of your day to look something up before calling bullshit on someone.
Edit: this guy is massively in support of China, saying that anyone that still believes in China's Uighur genocide is brainwashed. Also saying "look at the real genocide going on in Israel." No shit hey it's been demonstrated on a world scale multiple times that you can get away with it, Israel is just the most recent country to hop on the opportunity train.
Both tbh
American failures are being used to prop up Chinese successes. This is particularly true in urbanism discussions. China is by no means perfect and thinking that they are is harmful to progress.
Perfection doesn't exist, but China is on the right track imo
Sure, if you're a fan of totalitarianism.
I'm a fan of their life expectancies surpassing the US - though that's barely an accomplishment, every developed country seems to have beaten America in that regard lol
This is not true. It's so cheap to get the goods here because Canada and USA subsidizes the freight services from taxpayer money.
I get paid 100000000 Xi bucks every time I remove a post. Obviously Lemmy is the most important social media platform in the world that China needs to control at all costs. The communists have even banned brainrot racism on this subreddit.
Its actually all sourced from one single guy who has stated it is his mission from God to bring down China.
It's common knowledge because propaganda is incredibly effective.
No no no, clearly you're suffering under Western propaganda. In China there is zero crime and everyone gets a golden car on their 15th birthday. It's true and If you disagree you're a propaganda chicken. (/s)
While the Americans are committing a far worse genocide in Palestine, the Uyghurs are definitely being genocided in China.
Lmao
This kinda looks like a bad poll. The wording seems to setup a bad choice of extremes. The respondent has to either choose "friendly" or "an enemy". But the relationship between the US and China is a much more complex thing. The US and China are certainly in competition in a number of areas, economically and geopolitically. The induction of China to the WTO in 2001 impacted the US's manufacturing sector negatively (see: https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/forty-years-of-falling-manufacturing-employment.htm). The US and China are at odds over the fate of Taiwan. But, in spite of all that, the US and China have deep trade links which benefit both countries greatly. And both countries are likely better off than they would be without the other. Global trade is generally positive for the economies involved, though global trade can also fuck individuals inside each economy, including driving wealth concentration and harming the economically disadvantaged and people whose skills don't align well with the industries their country is focused on.
Trying to boil US-China relations down to either Friendly or "Enemy" misses a lot of the nuance and may mean people aren't giving an accurate picture of how they view China.
Those options seem fine for a poll imo. If you ask the same question to older demographics and more people pick "enemy", then isn't the conclusion in the headline valid?
A lot of nuance will be missed without some gradation between "I <3 China" and "Down with Pooh!" For example, if we added "Slightly favorable", "Neutral", and "Slightly unfavorable" we would begin to see just how favorable younger generations are. Rather than presume there is a deep divide on trade policy, if two bars are almost equal, we may see they are largely neutral. Similarly we could see just how favorable their views of TikTok really are by looking at the spread between neutral to "I <3 China!"
I know what you're saying, but it's still a shitty poll. I think people in the past were way looser with the word enemy. Everyone was an enemy, the Russians, communism, drugs, immigrants poverty... everything was a fucking enemy that needed a war.
So, even though just as many people might distrust China the language has changed and we wouldn't call them "enemy".
The Chinese government is authoritarian, evil and awful but I still wouldn't call China an "enemy". Because life isn't black and white, and once you call somone an enemy you've shut off your brain and nothing good will come out of it.
Wat? Are you a troll or just lack reading comprehension?
The issue is that your reducing a multivariable spectra to a single binary. That kind of data compression destroys a massive amount of valuable data, and alot of nuance along with it.
I'm neither a friend nor an enemy to most people in the world.
But when it comes to orgs, I'm an enemy of most od them, and definitely an enemy of every State.
Sounds like it's time for a reminder to FUCK THE CCP and the clown emperor Xi. Never forget Tieneman square. Long live free Taiwan.
We don't need to forget how great Hong Kong was up until a few years ago.
Wonder how the democracy protests are going? Ya know the ones before covid... oh! And their concentration camps...God I hate this timeline.
Are you talking about China or America
Yes.
Tiktok is doing its job.
We need to ban it.
Yeah, except in this, the Aliens have the neighborly board game that teaches you to be friends while they're secretly planning to genocide you.
China's a xenophobic, genocidal imperialist state with the explicit goal of expanding itself and its powers at the expense of its neighbors and the rest of the world.
Isn't it a general trend that younger people, on average, are less xenophobic / racist / bigoted than the previous generation? I also remember reading somewhere that younger Chinese people are friendlier to Japan, South Korea and the US than their parents.
My company has an office in China and I've been there many many times.
Chinese people are like all other people - same needs, same hopes and dreams, same fears, same drivers. In the city where our office is located, they are extremely hard working and want to ensure a better future for their family. Just like most American cities.
Their city is very high tech, moreso than many American cities because they skipped a lot of legacy technology.
They don't necessarily subscribe to the same moral/value system as Americans, for example they often see copying each other's ideas as a compliment whereas Americans see it as stealing. Kind of like - if it's possible to copy, then it's fair game - so don't make it possible if you don't want it copied. Perhaps that drives a different kind of innovation.
Obviously there are many more cultural differences. But as a people, we are all essentially working with the same needs.
All that being said I don't appreciate the great firewall when I'mthere, the censorship, and the fear they have about discussing banned topics. I don't appreciate the high-tech security cameras at every corner, or all the tracking of activities. The younger generations tolerate this for now because they are wealthier than their parents and told to cooperate, but that may not hold long term.
We can be nice to Chinese people
But fuck the CCP. If this is about the youths' friendliness towards the Chinese government, I wholly blame TikTok
Yeah, capitalist plutocratic murderous bastards
I visit China frequently for work and feel that the impression most older Americans have of China is incredibly out of touch. The traditional media portrayal of the country is definitely a part of this. Yes, it's certainly an authoritarian state, but this doesn't change whether the people are nice or what they want in life.
Hot take. What's the eli5 behind the idea?
I don't necessarily agree with "moral". In western democracies laws and use of force doesn't legitimize itself by a call to morality usually. Just using some kind of authority, doesn't make a government authoritarian by any common definition of the word.
Yes, but very indirectly. We don't have a "moral police", but one that enforces laws which are, as you say, legitimized by the people as a sovereign.
So you don't see police stopping people on "moral grounds" in some vague interpretation.
What about abortion? Tracking if women are pregnant and hunting them down if then stop being pregnant.
That makes no sense.
Yea I can't imagine why young people don't give a fuck about a new cold war with China
Wasn't part of the promise of economic globalization that increased interdependence would lead to less conflict? That a smaller, more connected world, would lead to intercultural communication and understanding, leading to a more stable international order?
I mean, wasn't this supposed to be a feature? Why is it being reported as a bug?
China's a great guy
The majority of that age range still considers China an enemy, but a tiny fraction of ambivalent onlookers out of an overwhelming majority of a reflexively anti-China populace is enough for the Economist to dedicate an article to a fucking YouGov poll.
It's just another pearl-clutching "what's wrong with today's youths" headline to panic the elderly while flattering compliant millennials/zoomers for being one of the few (despite still being the majority!) "good ones" that march goose-step with consensus Western political thought.
A lot of American youth are just anti-america and uncritically reverse engineer their opinions based on that. That's how a bunch of tiktokers promoted bin ladens manifesto.
Are you sure about that buddy?
China, Qatar and Iran, buying Americans minds since 2000.
Investment is paying off.
I got a highly upvoted post removed for saying "be nice to Chinese people but f#$ the ccp."
Guess what t@nk!e instance just got added to the filter list. I recommend everyone else do the same
I can't if you don't tell me what instance it is.
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This just in: kids are fucking idiots. 🥹🤦🏽♂️
If anyone is paying attention to whats happening in china, the country is going backwawds due to a mao-wanna-be leader. Its changing so fast that whether the picture you had about china is accurate is not an issue anymore tbh. Also note that like russia, they spend huge amount of money on foreign propoganda.
Please explain how Xi is like Mao? I don't even mean this in a good/bad way, just like specific similarities. Cuz it really just sounds like you think both Mao and Xi bad and so you are just saying Xi bad in a really roundabout way.
Younger Americans will be friendly to any place that'll put up with them when Trump wins