Russia reduces number of air strikes after losing three Su-34 jets
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Just wait till the F-16 sorties start.
You won't be able to swing a cat in here without hitting a whining tankie symp.
Oh no be careful, they might start posting gifs and emojis in response to you, thus nullifying any valid argument you might have!
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...and lemmy.ml as well. It's tanky breading season out here.
The same F-16s that were outclassed by the J-17 in recent military exercises?
Pakistani pilots are on record saying the F-16 is worse in basically every way compared to a design China considers to be "budget" and "outdated."
Do you mean the J-17 which was jointly developed by Pakistan and China. Who have a vested interest in trying to sell the J-17 to other parts of the world… if so then yes that very same plane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder
The J-17 was designed for the Pakistan Air Force. Any other operators (Myanmar, Nigeria?) are operators of convenience.
I see, so the Pakistani Airforce which commissioned the design and production of the J-17 reports that it is superior to the F-16…
Whatever helps the copium taste better I suppose.
Let's pretend for a minute that it is actually better. Russia doesn't field the J-17, so it doesn't matter.
Also, there's the airframe and then there are the missiles you put on it. Depending on what these F-16 load up with can make a whole lot of difference.
I doubt they'll be doing much dogfighting. The challenge will be to get in the air, fire off missiles, and land back without getting shot down.
Edit: Oh and another thing that makes a lot of difference is radar assets. I bet those F-16s are going to get extended eyes and ears thanks to NATO AWACS flying high but within NATO borders.
China recognizes that the J-17 is outclassed by the Su-34, so it sort of does matter...
The F-16 was already 30 years old by the time the J-17 was introduced.
And yet it would still have been cheaper to send Ukraine new J-17s than used F-16s.
Yeah that's just a flat out lie mate lmao
Uh source?
JF-17 is a multirole attack aircraft, F-16 is a multirole air superiority fighter.
PAF has been very adamant that nothing they have tried compares to the F-16 in performance. Their last air skirmish was an F-16 that shot down an IAF MiG-21 in 2019. Even the J-10s they recently bought are still considered inferior.
The real joke here is expecting an F-16 to actually reach Ukraine lmao. Pakistan had to basically play double agent to convince the USA to even open F-16 sales. There's a 0% chance they're going to give Ukraine F-16s for free, or even let them be leased from other countries.
Meanwhile Ukraine unveils it's f-16
Lol called it: https://lemmy.ml/post/10200774
New issue of Air Force Monthly lol
The F-16 was already 30 years old by the time the J-17 was introduced.
Newer doesn't inherently mean better.
Didn’t say it did.
I mean, even if that's true.... Is that really even a flex? The F-16 platform is 30 years older than the J-17.
Make that 4 as of today.
It's sort of a shit design for 2023 tbh.
Sounds like Ukraine got a new air defense system... Maybe they moved a Patriot battery?
It's pretty mid nowadays, nowhere near the levels of the F-22 or F-35. But the F-16 C, D or MLU versions are in almost every way a very modern fighter. Russia does pretty much the same thing, but while an upgrade F-16 is called a 'block 50', an upgraded SU-27 is called an SU-30 (or 34, or 35). They're basically all improved versions of 1970s planes.
The SU57 and Mig-35 are basically non-existent, if not actually so.
The F-16 is absolutely not the best fighter out there anymore, but it's hardly a pushover and at the very least on par with what Russia is fielding.
The F-16 was even outclassed by the J-17 in the recent Pakistani Operation Indus Shield 2023 exercises according to recent reports.
Like I said to the other guy, if that's even true, it doesn't matter because Russia doesn't field the J-17.
I haven't read a report on that in English. Could you share?
It's in the new issue of Air Force Monthly.
The only reference I could find (headline skimming) is a Pakistani pilot giving the politically correct statement that their native-built fighter is better than the imported one.
Yeah, that's the theory. Russia had been using the planes to bomb a Ukrainian beachhead from an area that would keep them out of range for the Soviet-era systems Ukraine has in that area, so Ukraine moved a patriot system there, switched off. When the Russians flew in and they got detected on long range radar, they turned on the patriot and fired.
Is the Su in Su-34 short for cyka?
Blyat
Ukrainian Pravda is basically a propaganda outlet. Why is a mod posting this lmao
Why does every comment you make about Ukraine end up being so Pro-Russia that it feels pro-genocide?
Hmmm, I initially wanted to agree with the OP, since the whole "Pravda" thing is a naming scheme from Soviet times, but apparently it's reasonably well regarded:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ukrayinska-pravda-the-ukrainian-truth/
I.e. not at all like Komsomolskaya Pravda, which is straight up Russian yellow press party line nonsense.
They can have their failings, for sensationalism's sake, but I don't remember them posting pure masturbatory propaganda. It's your average news outlet, and usual country-specific biases apply, but nothing Onion-like to see. If anything, let it sit for a day before reacting if it feels too weird.