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I'm running two groups and I need help learning story building and session planning.

So I have two groups

  • Group 1 (ranger, druid, sorcerer, and barbarian)
  • Group 2 (bard, wizard, barbarian)

We started the first session as one big group instead of two and it was chaotic. Everyone was talking over eachother and wasn't listening in general so I approached group one and asked if they wanted to split from group 2. They said yes. So in the world they kidnapped an npc from group 2 to try and sale and ditches group 2. 2 was surprised at first but was happy in the end. Group 1 ended up going north ditching group 2 thinking they were going to be tracked. 2 ended up making an alliance with the king (everyone's level 1 so I'm also having pacing problems) and went on their way to hunt down 1. 1 ended up killing the npc apon nearly getting killed to a necromancer (I've improvised everything thus far) and ran. In the next session I made a dungeon for both 1 and 2 but 2 haven't got to do it yet because of scheduling issues. (Last session was 3 months ago) and 1 is getting impatient but don't want 2 rob 2 of an epic fight once they meet instead of making a new world. I ended up doing another session and a town got burnt down and a water supply poisoned. They ended up stopping the poison by freezing the river and escorting all of the poisoned ice out. In my sessions things go really fast. Any help or ideas?

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gaiussabinus
lemmy.world

unify the group back together and use a talking stick on whose turn it is. run the session that is ahead on one-shots till they are back together or alternatively have two groups and have them diverge. no point in tracking two groups of different people down the exact same road especially when there is a scheduling issues.

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Percyreply
lemmy.one

Tried the talking stick first session and it didn't really work. It worked for the first 5 minutes then people got bored and started fighting over who I'm replying to.

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Squibums
lemmy.world

This sounds like you bit off a lot more than you could chew. My advice is to just relax and take a breath. It sounds like you did a too much too fast. My advice is to just talk to each group separately and restart both campaigns with them being completely separate.

A fun choice is to have them both be in the same setting, and have the same starting adventure, but they are in different universes. That way you can see how different their stories go.This will solve a lot of the chaotic action that's going on, and reduce your stress by a lot.

Just be honest with your groups and tell them, you are having a hard time handling both groups in the same game, especially if they are being adversaries. Remember, just because your the GM doesn't mean you can't have fun too. Campaigns die when GMing feels like a anxiety inducing obligation.

How experienced of a GM are you? I've been GMing since 3rd edition and even I would feel intimidated by the task you're trying to complete. There's nothing wrong with also telling your players to take a ten minute break, because you need to figure stuff out. If you're struggling to come up with stuff on the fly, even just a couple minutes of a snack and bathroom break can help you think more clearly.

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Percyreply
lemmy.one

I agree. When I first got the books everyone was excited and I invited more players than I should of. New dm though I had some ideas in mind for it.

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spareboot
lemmy.fmhy.ml

So if I understand the state of play the parties are in a land ruled by a king, there is a necromancer somewhere to the north of the kings location, and a dungeon. There’s a burnt out town with a now saved water source thanks to group 2.

A few questions.

  • Will the two groups meet up in real life for the odd session where appropriate? Or are they now in essence playing in the same world but entirely separate games?
  • If the former is the dungeon a separate experience for the two groups or will they meet in the dungeon?
  • Did the necromancer kill the npc or did group 1 kill the npc?

Assuming the necromancer killed the npc, and the two groups will meet in the dungeon, for a session together, I’d probably do the following:

  • have the necromancer be the ultimate boss of the dungeon. Too powerful for either group but powerful enough for both groups to tackle together.
  • Have the parties enter the dungeon as enemies but ultimately have to work together to defeat the necromancer. This could be aided by having a few rooms that are separate but with puzzles requiring both to work together to progress. The idea is to keep them from fighting before confronting the necromancer.
  • Have the king treat group 2 as expendables who are only given extremely dangerous jobs, for now. This should hopefully diminish the alliance initially allowing you to slowly build the npc relationship as the group is useful to the king.
  • At the end of the session have the groups go their own way then treat them as entirely separate stories. The idea of trying to schedule two different groups sounds exhausting.

Bear in mind though the above only works if the players would have fun. That’s the aim of all of this.

Also have a look through this website for some good tips on streamlining DM prep - https://slyflourish.com/choosing_the_right_steps.html

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Percyreply
lemmy.one
  • When they encounter eachother in game we'll do a session at the library so they can be able to do combat they want and they can join a call to talk.
  • 2 different dungeons in different parts of the world. Group 1 has completed their dungeon and group 2 hasn't gotten to the session yet
  • the players killed the npc not wanting the necromancer turn the npc in for the money. I like the idea for group 2. What I've figured is that group 1 likes money and 2 likes power. I'm just struggling with planning the sessions because they go by fast and I have a lack of experience creating them. Scheduling is going fine because we do it on Saturdays. And if someone can't make it I have them come up with a story excuse next session. With group 2 no one was able to make it that day which was fine. I'll look into the website
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sparebootreply
lemmy.fmhy.ml

In that case here’s what I do that works for me.

I have a very loose concept of what the story is about that I separate into Acts. The number of acts depends on how long the story is supposed to run.

I then detail scenes in each act.

In each scene I have a detailed description that sets the scenario then dot points of the npcs and include their motivations and information they may provide the PCs (if appropriate). I generally write a few scenes to take into account how I expect the players to act in prior scenes.

Before the next session I review what happened last session and adjust my plan accordingly.

I found doing it this way kept me focussed while at the same time provided a loose enough structure that the players can have agency.

Also, I try not to waste work. For example, if you planned a scenario where the players are framed for murder in a town, but that session they avoid the town altogether. Then I reuse that scenario in a later town with appropriate adjustments.

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Percyreply
lemmy.one

Okay thanks for the advice group 1 ended up wanting to restart but with their same characters. I'll try to plan stuff out that way

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