Well, if they come from doorless brown trucks, I'd at least think "someone is getting a delivery! Like 'stoner fell asleep on the 9 key while ordering ramen noodles and just completed the order without noticing that the amount said 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999"
I don't know if they are in the right but I certainly am not so small minded to automatically assume they are in the wrong. Or that the issue in this cases makes the native claim automatically right either.
You injected the National guard but all by yourself. Do you think your opinion is so important that others are not allowed to add to it?
Can't name the incident, but this is an American Indian tribe vs police over a land dispute. I think it was about an oil pipeline crossing tribal lands.
This is Police? They have fucking machineguns on cars?! If the 2A people would have any brains, they would dismantle the police now, because that is what a malicious governments supression force looks like.
Not the full military, per say- National Guard is controlled by each Stateโs Governor, but can still be called on and used on the Federal level. This was a State level issue. Not always for โdefensiveโ issues either, usually humanitarian, etc.
Iโm not advocating one way or another on the WHY they are there, just pointing out that those armored vehicles are NOT police.
thank you for the insight. In my country Germany it is prohibited to use the military in the interior, except for relief in natural catastrophes. Unfortunately this is something where the right wing nut jobs love to "open the debate" every decade or so.
The national guard is normally used in disaster relief, like floods. But the Governor is like a tiny president, (sorta, kinda) and as such has some powers over the military force from their state (hand waving a lot here).
As such they can declare a protest or other interior event a "disaster" or public safety risk, and temporarily deploy national guard to support.
If I remember correctly, the guard have to abide by additional federal military rules, compared to state employees, so they are usually carefully used. and again I might be wrong but if the state deploys em, the state pays em,... Not the federal government
Donโt know if that is still holding up, but the German ministry of defence put terrorist attacks on the same list as natural disasters in their โWeiรbuchโ around 2016. So theoretically we could have, what for historical reason we should never see again: The military enforcing inland. And while in Bavaria climate crisis protesters are held in detention under anti terror law, the picture discussed here could become reality in Germany faster than we might think.
What in the revisionist history are you talking about? Obama's hands were tied because he wasn't president anymore. The pipeline was given approval to go ahead by then President Trump, reversing the decision to stop it by the Obama administration.
n December 2016, under President Barack Obama's administration, the Corps of Engineers denied an easement for construction of the pipeline under the Missouri River,[13][14][15] though this decision was reversed the following month by the incoming administration of President Donald Trump. The pipeline was completed by April 2017, and its first oil was delivered on May 14.
Look how fucking fat all those assholes are. They don't intimidate me in the slightest, because a light jog would be all you'd need to stay out of danger.
If you see a straight line of brown and tan uniforms, do you ever really think "theres the good guys?"
Well, if they come from doorless brown trucks, I'd at least think "someone is getting a delivery! Like 'stoner fell asleep on the 9 key while ordering ramen noodles and just completed the order without noticing that the amount said 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999"
The thin brown streak
Nor are all demands made by native bands are automatically correct either.
Weird, I never said anything about native demands.
Suggesting the National guard being there is automatically bad is most certainly suggesting the demands are without question. Don't be obtuse.
An appropriate answer would have simply been "Yes. I do see them as good guys."
You interjected the native bit yourself.
I don't know if they are in the right but I certainly am not so small minded to automatically assume they are in the wrong. Or that the issue in this cases makes the native claim automatically right either.
You injected the National guard but all by yourself. Do you think your opinion is so important that others are not allowed to add to it?
Context?
Can't name the incident, but this is an American Indian tribe vs police over a land dispute. I think it was about an oil pipeline crossing tribal lands.
Probably the Dakota Access Pipeline protests at Standing Rock reserve?
This is Police? They have fucking machineguns on cars?! If the 2A people would have any brains, they would dismantle the police now, because that is what a malicious governments supression force looks like.
National Guard, not police. They got called in many times during any of the various disputes that happened up there.
So using the military against its own people? Thats the same thing in blue imo.
Not the full military, per say- National Guard is controlled by each Stateโs Governor, but can still be called on and used on the Federal level. This was a State level issue. Not always for โdefensiveโ issues either, usually humanitarian, etc.
Iโm not advocating one way or another on the WHY they are there, just pointing out that those armored vehicles are NOT police.
thank you for the insight. In my country Germany it is prohibited to use the military in the interior, except for relief in natural catastrophes. Unfortunately this is something where the right wing nut jobs love to "open the debate" every decade or so.
Technically that's true here too.
The national guard is normally used in disaster relief, like floods. But the Governor is like a tiny president, (sorta, kinda) and as such has some powers over the military force from their state (hand waving a lot here).
As such they can declare a protest or other interior event a "disaster" or public safety risk, and temporarily deploy national guard to support.
If I remember correctly, the guard have to abide by additional federal military rules, compared to state employees, so they are usually carefully used. and again I might be wrong but if the state deploys em, the state pays em,... Not the federal government
Donโt know if that is still holding up, but the German ministry of defence put terrorist attacks on the same list as natural disasters in their โWeiรbuchโ around 2016. So theoretically we could have, what for historical reason we should never see again: The military enforcing inland. And while in Bavaria climate crisis protesters are held in detention under anti terror law, the picture discussed here could become reality in Germany faster than we might think.
When the military becomes the police, the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
Police in many countries have these. They just rarely bring them out.
Our cops go to the grocery with them.
Standing Rock I think, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onyk7guvHK8
That poor horse needs to be fed.
What in the revisionist history are you talking about? Obama's hands were tied because he wasn't president anymore. The pipeline was given approval to go ahead by then President Trump, reversing the decision to stop it by the Obama administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protests
And your own link that you posted states that "Grandpa Joe" rescinded the cross-border permit granted by the Trump administration.
You're mad at the wrong people my dude.
Look how fucking fat all those assholes are. They don't intimidate me in the slightest, because a light jog would be all you'd need to stay out of danger.
The hard truth is you can't outrun a bullet
You're not wrong but if they want to shoot you they will regardless. Might as well make yourself a moving target.
Good thing that the police have turned up with a military humvee, I'm sure that will be needed
Even more overkill, theyโre MRAPS made to survive IEDs.
I do believe those are sonic weapons mounted atop.
Clean water? Best I can do for ya is some popped ear drums.