This package of bagels I bought expired on a date that doesn't exist.
I originally posted this on the other site back when I took the picture, and it resulted in a lot of confused comments, especially from Americans, eventually getting removed by overzealous mods. Either way, I promise you that this date does not exist, and has never existed.
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American here, that didn’t expire on February 29th, it will expire on the second of Viginti-September. Easy mistake to make.
Viginti-September 2 is my birthday!
When read in the only proper order, it translates (for the non-technical types), to February 23rd, 2029.
Mmm. 6 year old bagels.
By that logic, you should fully spell out the month. FEB29 has no confusion. If you use the number then use the ISO standard.
I’m so tired of this “proper order” date debate among regions. Can’t we just accept that there can be more than one correct way to do things?
We commonly write dates 02/29/23 because we speak or write “February 29th 2023” while in other languages, it’s customary to speak or write “29th of February 2023” leading them to the common format 29/02/23.
Edit: to curb the ISO standard comments, yes, that is the most efficient and organized way to write a date, but how many of you speak dates in ISO format? If you don’t commonly say “2023 February 29th” out loud, then you intrinsically understand that not all situations call for the ISO standard.
No, ISO 8601 is the proper order. YYYY-MM-DD.
Wait, so month comes before day? I've been doing it right all along?
Please stop. That is another correct way to do it, and I said there is more than one, not two.
The reason why it's superior is (mostly) just because it removes that ambiguity of whether your region lists months or days first. By using a global standard you are still able to prefer whatever method of speaking it, but especially in situations around health and safety the less chance for confusion the better.
Like, the whole "flammable" vs "inflammable" label is another problem if someone incorrectly assumes inflammable is the equivalent of non-flammable.
I am familiar with the ISO format and use it every day. But let me ask you, do you speak dates in ISO format? If not, then you understand it isn’t always the best format for the situation.
Yes.
The ISO is an organization trying to get everyone on the same page, they are the accepted standard globally. If you see ISO and you go against it, you better have a damn good reason and you’ll be liable everytime.
When was the last time you spoke a date in ISO format? Do you say “2023 February 29th?” If not, you intrinsically know ISO is not always the best format for the situation.
Is this about spoken words or written words…?
It’s about the correct standard, which if exists, should be the same whether spoken or written. I’m saying that no such standard exists, and there are different correct ways depending on the situation/region.
International Organization for Standardization (ISO) be like:
This is my favorite comment thus far
Written language doesn't have to follow spoken language. The ISO is for written things not spoken.
The reason you keep hearing about it is because people won't use the standard
you actually think you'll be able to convince anyone even remotely stupid or stubborn to use this? you must have never tried anything like this before then...
Well yeah, I never expected it to work...
When was the last time you spoke dates to anyone in ISO? If you don’t ever say the year before the month and day, then you intrinsically know ISO is not always the best format for the situation.
Spoken and written don't need to use the same format. Time also isn't spoken using the written format hhmmss.
So then we agree there is more than one correct date format.
It happens a few times a month, when dealing with something important to make sure people understand, same reason as to why I sometimes say times in a 24h format.
Other languages including English, from England. We also say the 29th of February.
Real English is American you bloody redcoats are always appropriating our culture
I’m not implying you can’t say “of” in English, but it’s common (and shorter) to say “Feb 29th.” It is not however correct to say “Feb 29th” in many other languages, which is why Europe made day first dates the regional standard. And just like with the imperial vs metric systems, England has shifted to more often use Europe’s standard rather than the one they came up with themselves.
Are you trolling or just incapable of acknowledging that you can speak a date differently than its written representation? The entire reason for any standard is just to ensure you're working within a known/consistent framework. You can measure in imperial or metric but you can't label an imperial or metric unit as the opposite just because you prefer it that way.
If I hand you glass of milk with a skull and crossbones sticker on it why would you assume it's harmful when in my region it's used to signify its high calcium content? I can say "poison" or I can say "milk", but a skull should never be interchangeably used.
In the same way, a date written in a global standard format should always be immediately recognized as signifying ONE particular date, and you're then free to localize it however you please.
Not trolling. I just think all three formats are correct and I can’t understand why everyone must demand their way is the only correct way.
No, we say 29th Feb in English.
oh, yeah? Remind me of the date of "America's birthday" again?
1776/07/04, which is commonly written July 4th 1776 as well as 4th of July 1776. All three ways are correct. What’s your point?
I am engaging in what is commonly known as a joke, jape, jackanapery, tomfoolery, silliness or knavery.
It's usually easy to determine which order the person commenting observes too, just from context. I've never understood the confusion.
Yeah, especially with something like 03/04/07 12:47 AM
The likes of this date and time are just evil because not only you may mistake day for month or even year, but also 12 AM in some places precedes 1 AM while in other places it precedes 1 PM.
I'm almost convinced that an additional info with a UNIX timestamp must be always shown to be used as a ground truth wherever a date is presented
I agree it can be confusing if presented without context or explanation, but in most cases one can easily determine order (e.g., OP's post)
I think you'll find the 23rd of February exists. Fuck knows what preservatives are in those things to last a bit over 5 years.
To be pedantic, "290223" is not valid ISO 8601.
Two digit years are no longer allowed by the standard.
Because we have to define which century the food goes out of date in?
So you're agreeing with the comment you're replying to?
People can do that, you know
The image makes it seem like a disagreement, or maybe it's just me
idk it's the meme i had that was relevant :p
Understandable 😅
Shocked by the amount of people bothered enough by my comment to down vote me
It's because downvote is cheaper than upvote /s
Everyone's getting the dates wrong, it's clearly the 23rd month of 2902 👍
That can't be it either since 2902 isn't a leap year so it only has about a dozen months
You weren’t sent the last memo, in 2500 we’ll finally replace the current, broken time system with an evolution of Swatch’s Internet Time. Days are divided in 1000 tiny parts, and years are also adjusted. A 2501 years has 50 months, except for leap years that now have 60 months
Lousy Smarch weather…
This comment section turned out almost as chaotic and confused as the old one, it's actually quite impressive.
I mean, I'm sure just like "the other site" there are a bunch of folks just attempting to be funny. Some folks are really serious about date standards though, woof.
Just enjoy your timeless bagels and try not to go full Everything Bagel on us.
To be fair, you are posting it at an odd end of the year on a worldwide forum with a lot of yanks in it. Unless bagels take more months to expire than I expected, I guess.
Plus, people like to play, and content to play with is pretty scant on lemmy.
February 23rd of 2029?
They might be a little stale, but it's all good
Remember, kids, not to ever compute dates yourselves. Use a library for that.
I've made that mistake a couple times, sending bills to people for things like April 31st. Have since swapped to letting python make calendars for me.
https://youtu.be/-5wpm-gesOY?t=8m36s
Memories of the old shitty codebase I inherited that had a bunch of if/else statements to add a day every four years. Which, of course, isn't even correct.
To be fair, by the time that code will fail, it won’t run anymore for a host of other reasons.
It's just seconds since unix epoch
Sun 4 January 1970 08:37:03 UTC
Well that’s just February twenty ni- oh. I see.
My guess is they forgot to advance the year on the stamper. 290224 does exist.
Zero chance there are bagels with a shelf life of >a year.
February 23, 2029 doesn't exist?
Sorry, but are you certain that number is both a date and the day it expires?
It could instead be a cash register code (perhaps a specific combination of ingredients), or the employee number for who made it (because Janet keeps fucking up, and Darma is sick of being blamed.)
Yes I am certain, I know how expiry dates are written on bread in Sweden, I lived there. This was also said on my last post, but I promise you, it's just an error and should have said March 1st.
People put these days on with a handheld price gun. So it's just someone who didn't realize the month didn't go that long.
Also why do these bagels last 2 more months? They usually last a few days.
They expired 10 months ago. 23, not 24
Or they got the year wrong unless you bought extremely expired bread or the much less plausible answer, this is an old picture.
Yes, that's definitely not very plausible, that this is an old picture ;)
Feb 29, 2023 is actually March 1, 2023.
lol at everyone missing that 2023 isn't a leap year and just getting confused by the European format.
Damn the date - I want to know how you can buy invisible bagels?
You see, it's "naturel", so this is just regular bagels with all artificial ingredients removed
Uh am I just special, because I saw February 29th 2023 immediately Isn't a lot of things formatted in the DD/MM/YYYY type especially for expiration dates
February 29th 2023 isn't a real date
That's the point lmfao
Then what is the point of your first comment?
It's just the EU date style.
I find my brain reads dates the US way first and then immediately rereads the EU way after, when that doesn't make sense. It's pretty automatic.
Not even tangentially related.. but I replaced the dumb American (and I know UK as well) 3 fingers gesture with the German 3 when I learned of it as a teenager. It's so much more efficient and reasonable compared to stretching our fingers out unnaturally...
Isn't it basically the rest of the world style? like metric?
ISO8601 is the one true date format
Infinity bagels.
Sucked. Intoooo. A baaaageeeel.
The person marking them doesn't get paid enough to care.
my sister got married on feb 29th. their 'second' anniversary is next year.
My uncle was born on Feb 29. We both had our 16th birthdays the same year.
23rd of February 2029?
That doesn't mean they never expire! Those bagels are months old even if they do expire on a date that doesn't exist!
Imagine the mold!
Nah they were eaten long before having a chance to mold, don't worry.
Well you're no fun
This is correct.
So it technically didn't expire?
ICA är galna pojkar
Man I swear I remember this on reddit.. or a post similar to it.
I remember many of my fellow Americans couldn't understand the date format.
Edit: And it looks like the same thing happened here..
You're so close. Even in European date formats, the 29th of February doesn't exist.
It exists in leap years. 2023, however, wasn't a leap year.
I understand that.. I'm just talking about the users fixating on the date format. Look at all the examples in the comments.
Yeah that's where I originally posted it. I just remembered it when I first discovered this community on Lemmy and thought I'd share it here as well. I agree with you completely it's crazy how it just inspires so much random discussion on date formats when it's just supposed to be a funny quirk about how the 29th exists in all months except one, except for the years it exists there as well.
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They are the expiration date though. Why do you say that so confidently if you don't know what you're talking about?
These numbers are put on by grocery clerks with a price-gun. All they did was add on however many days the product is supposed to last after it got put on the shelf. So it's really just some grocery worker not worrying about a date not existing. I woulda done the same thing if I was stocking these tbh.
What? This makes so little sense I don't even know how to proceed. It's an expiration date.
Source: I'm also Swedish like OP and frequently shop at ICA - the biggest supermarket chain we've got, who also have their own line of products which are baked/cooked/prepared and packaged centrally and sent out to ICA stores all over the country. Those bagels are one of those products.
Woah woah woah. You are completely right on almost all parts of your comment, but I will not stand idly by as you call me Swedish. I'm a danskjävla who just happened to live in Sweden.
Vi har nu tagit över denna tråd i hans majestät konungen Carl XVI Gustafs namn och du beordras att gå hem dit du kom ifrån, danskjævel
I schedule all my meetings for March 31st.
Swede here. Those labels are from the producer. It's easier to just use the same bags and then add the expiration date on a separate labels than to print the expiration date on the bags themselves.
That way if you make same same bread on the same date but one batch gets frozen and the other gets sent out fresh you just use the same bags but they get different labels with different exparation dates depending if they are frozen or fresh.
dont eat that
Too late apparently
I once bought pants that were produced on 31st of June, not even leap year could've explained that 😂
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February didn't have 29 days in 2023
Oh...