As the PISA 2022 results were released a few days ago, how was the reaction in your country?
Link to the results: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/a97db61c-en/1/4/4/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/a97db61c-en&_csp_=19432322e94c5717b030a7b2f5fd1b3c&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book
General website: https://www.oecd.org/pisa/
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Germany: shock
Cyprus: anger
None had any discourse around what the PISA scores measure and if there's any problematisation warranted around the methodology etc. So, in the end, it just serves as a regular outrage topic for the news cycle, but because no-one understands what the scores mean, no-one can do anything about them.
And most people would happily vote the party back into power that created that shitshow by doing absolutely nothing for 16 years.
For the people that care. The majority is happy voting against any progress and to just complain about kids these days being stupid or something.
In Germany it is all over the news. Mostly in shock about the poor ranking.
I'm more surprised that people are still surprised about that. It's been like that for as long as I can think and nothing was done to improve it.
We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas.
I mean, you could start by making words easier to read.
Edit: maybe that's not it, Poland is in front of you..
I live in Spain, in Catalunya precisely, and the community ranked pretty low compared to the others: https://www.rtve.es/noticias/20231205/pisa-2022-ranking-comunidades-autonomas/2464647.shtml
People mostly blame it in the lack of consideration for teachers, with teacher salaries being among the lowest in the country compared to other communities.
Australia here. Hasn't made the news.
I am a little pissed, lol, because for example Germany is the only country which includes so called "Sonderschulen", special schools for disabled peoples. And I learned that some country's told some people to don't go to school in the test time.
So I think shouldn't be labeled as a "competition" but more like something to learn from other people and countries..
Do you think the countries that are more inclined to tell students that are behind to not show up to school have an education ethos that will hel long term?
It's ways good to compare but we should measure what's being compared too.
“Chinese Taipei”?
This refers to Taiwan.
I guessed as much, but the point stands: what kind of Winnie The Pooh bullshit is this?
The fact that they allow China to participate to study only from the well education parts should tell story how BS it is.
Biggest surprise for me is Norway.
Yeah, there has been some news about the bad math results in particular.
It's been a discussion in Norway for a long time. Particularly interesting to me is the fact that high-school students in Norway typically appear to be equal to or above their peers, while the top university students seem to be world class, so somehow they seem to catch up in later studies.
Or, maybe the population is different. Haven't looked into it, but maybe Norway is more prone to make everyone, including weaker students, take the test. Would be interesting to know more about participation.
We are number 10 yet all newspapers made it sound like we are moving towards real life idiocracy when the next generation gets out of school.
Romania: PM uses poor results to justify cancelling promised raises to teachers' salaries, raises that were negociated after protests earlier this year.
Education Minister pretends the results are excellent, despite them being worse than previous ones.
So business as usual I suppose.
As a Canadian, being so high on the list kind of makes me sad for humanity. So many people are worse than us? We aren't exactly impressive, in my opinion.
How come the UK is listed as one country when we have three different school systems?
The same goes for other countries. Germany, for example, has 16 different school systems. But I know from the media coverage that there is more detailed data. I think it's just to simplify the image.
Data is available for each system: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/dec/05/uk-pupils-science-and-maths-scores-lowest-since-2006-in-international-tests
Mostly disappointed in how limited the study is for African countries
We were really PISA'd off.
For Germany I‘m supprised that many here write shocked. That would have been ten years ago, nowadays we are in the acceptance phase.
This doesnt seem right. Its all over the place. How reliable is the source?
It's a program managed by the OECD. The link to the program description is at the end of the OP.
Poland: not much surprise. These have just proved how the previous government destroyed education here.
Note: one of the first decision the new government is to make is a significant raise for teachers, but all the damages done over last 8 years won't be that easy to fix.
I don't know why I've never been part of the study, but I couldn't find any reason why the schools I've been to weren't part of it
Never heard about this.
Where u from?
The last on the green list.