I can't wait to find out how much YouTube is going to sue me for in 2025 for 20 years of blocked ad revenue. They're going to use 2005 Napster math. You didn't watch 3 ads per video x 6,000,000 played videos = $2 million lost revenue, pay up citizen, your Google services have been disabled, all location and behavior data is in possession of Alphabet Debt Collection, you cannot run, you cannot hide.
The entire fucking web worked with no ads for literally years. I do not feel bad, and won't lament if companies can't afford to pay people to cram even more JavaScript into web pages.
Sorry, web developers. Your masters are making you do evil things. It isn't your fault, but I hate your jobs.
There were less than 200 websites in 1993 when the first paid ad was introduced shortly thereafter. There were over 100k websites by the end of 1995.
So you're kind of right, but ads have been part of the Internet for 30 years. And half of the internet that we know today wouldn't have survived if this wasn't the case.
Half of he internet is shit, so - again - I personally would not lament its loss. My mom, who lives in games like Farmville these days, probably would, but she'd probably be healthier and happier if she took up knitting again.
I think the difference was, they were just side banners and that's it. They didn't have all this insane tracking, data analysis, metrics, and knowing everything about you bullshit they do now.
It's probably worth noting that this has a lot to do with VCs pumping in a seemingly unlimited amount of funding for services that aren't profitable yet but has potential to be later. Hence why Twitter is still a thing despite running at a loss for almost its entire lifetime.
Well, if you don't mind losing all online content that's more than a couple mb in size then sure, what you're saying makes sense... Safely hosting over 1 billion videos costs money and people don't want to pay for it directly so...
Tens of millions of people can and do pay. This isn't about covering costs, this is about making line go up faster than last year, every year, no matter what.
80m premium subscribers, 2.7b monthly users... Do you really think that's sustainable without having a secondary source of revenue? Because I don't know that many businesses that survive from 3% paying customers...
That's just for YouTube, but there are other websites that host content that wouldn't be sustainable without ads and that would need to switch to a paid subscription format.
Is it so hard to admit that there's something unusual about expecting websites to run out of the pocket of the owners/employees when we don't expect real world businesses to do so?
At $15 a month? Yeah totally. The vast majority of that 2.7 billion probably cost a few cents at most to offer service to. Very few people actually upload anything and streaming video is way cheaper than the various streaming services would have you believe. It's expensive to get off the ground, sure, but it scales well.
If YT fully locks down to pay or watch ads, I'll gladly forage my media from the free and open spaces that still want to foster growth like odysee. I might not find a much, but I'll take natural high quality material over the fast food that is YouTube.
I hunt and forage for actual sustenance since the pandemic put food prices beyond what they're worth.
Either be honest that you* are greedy and admit that stealing user data + ad revenue is juicy, or shut the fuck up and stick to your guns and completely paywall youtube.
*by you I mean the people who justify bullshit like ads and data theft by corporations.
Ok if you wanna get paid, then i dare you to close it all off and make it 100% paid. Otherwise admit that you're a hypocrite who thinks there's no free stuff except user data theft.
I can't wait to find out how much YouTube is going to sue me for in 2025 for 20 years of blocked ad revenue. They're going to use 2005 Napster math. You didn't watch 3 ads per video x 6,000,000 played videos = $2 million lost revenue, pay up citizen, your Google services have been disabled, all location and behavior data is in possession of Alphabet Debt Collection, you cannot run, you cannot hide.
If this happens I'm becoming a terrorist.
Whoa there buddy, that's risky business to say online. What you need is a VPN! Act now for 50% off NordVPN.
... or something like that.
That's some Shadowrun level dystopian shit
See you in the ad revenue gulag. We're going to love our cooperate sponsors when we get out. I hope we both get McDonalds.
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The entire fucking web worked with no ads for literally years. I do not feel bad, and won't lament if companies can't afford to pay people to cram even more JavaScript into web pages.
Sorry, web developers. Your masters are making you do evil things. It isn't your fault, but I hate your jobs.
There were less than 200 websites in 1993 when the first paid ad was introduced shortly thereafter. There were over 100k websites by the end of 1995.
So you're kind of right, but ads have been part of the Internet for 30 years. And half of the internet that we know today wouldn't have survived if this wasn't the case.
Half of he internet is shit, so - again - I personally would not lament its loss. My mom, who lives in games like Farmville these days, probably would, but she'd probably be healthier and happier if she took up knitting again.
I concur. There's a sweet spot for ads where they are mostly tolerable. We haven't been in it for a long time though.
FOR YEARS!
August 1991 the web was made available to CERN, 1993 was the year it truly became open to the public and ads were introduced the same year...
I mean, I guess they were technically right? But it's the same as the "cable didn't have ads" bullshit people keep saying...
I think the difference was, they were just side banners and that's it. They didn't have all this insane tracking, data analysis, metrics, and knowing everything about you bullshit they do now.
It's probably worth noting that this has a lot to do with VCs pumping in a seemingly unlimited amount of funding for services that aren't profitable yet but has potential to be later. Hence why Twitter is still a thing despite running at a loss for almost its entire lifetime.
Well, if you don't mind losing all online content that's more than a couple mb in size then sure, what you're saying makes sense... Safely hosting over 1 billion videos costs money and people don't want to pay for it directly so...
Tens of millions of people can and do pay. This isn't about covering costs, this is about making line go up faster than last year, every year, no matter what.
And there's even more people that don't...
80m premium subscribers, 2.7b monthly users... Do you really think that's sustainable without having a secondary source of revenue? Because I don't know that many businesses that survive from 3% paying customers...
That's just for YouTube, but there are other websites that host content that wouldn't be sustainable without ads and that would need to switch to a paid subscription format.
Is it so hard to admit that there's something unusual about expecting websites to run out of the pocket of the owners/employees when we don't expect real world businesses to do so?
At $15 a month? Yeah totally. The vast majority of that 2.7 billion probably cost a few cents at most to offer service to. Very few people actually upload anything and streaming video is way cheaper than the various streaming services would have you believe. It's expensive to get off the ground, sure, but it scales well.
Repeat after me, Google isn't the only provider that hosts a lot of content.
Would you like it if the majority of websites became pay per use or subscription only?
Ads are psychological abuse. I refuse to subject myself to that.
Excuse me but I'm entitled to a sliver of your spongy grey matter because I spent money. /s
There's always another way - just pay for online services like you do for physical ones. Nothing is free in this world. Except for foraging.
If YT fully locks down to pay or watch ads, I'll gladly forage my media from the free and open spaces that still want to foster growth like odysee. I might not find a much, but I'll take natural high quality material over the fast food that is YouTube.
I hunt and forage for actual sustenance since the pandemic put food prices beyond what they're worth.
I'll pay for the ones I think are worth the asking price.
Everyone says that, but no one actually does.
But I do?
Good for you.
So you're wrong.
You're like what, 0.01% of the audience? Have you ever tried to do any business? People don't want to pay shit for anything.
If nobody does then I think your service sucks.
This is like the tipping debate all over.
Either be honest that you* are greedy and admit that stealing user data + ad revenue is juicy, or shut the fuck up and stick to your guns and completely paywall youtube.
*by you I mean the people who justify bullshit like ads and data theft by corporations.
People are using ads for at least a century. If you don't like free stuff - pay money.
Dude what's your motivation? Why are you spending your weekend trying to get people to give money to Google when they don't want to and don't have to?
My motivation is simple - nothing is free in this world. Either pay up or don't use the service. No one is forcing you to use it.
Do you think that answers my question?
It's a direct answer to a direct question. What else do you want? Learn to read maybe...
Then fuck off with collecting user data you freeloading company. You're not entitled to people's attention on your shitty ads.
Don't watch YouTube, problem solved!
Ok then corporates have to pay me money for collecting user data.
And they do, by providing you a service you're using, which is not free.
Not really. They don't make the content. They are just middlemen.
And?
Ok if you wanna get paid, then i dare you to close it all off and make it 100% paid. Otherwise admit that you're a hypocrite who thinks there's no free stuff except user data theft.
Ha, as if. Try, "ditch youtube."
None of the stuff I paid for has ads. What rock are you living under?
What about Mr beast and moist critikal how will they feed their children. Think of the YouTube's you monster.
Look at moist consuming his once a day meal.
Better yet: Or use adnauseam and fuck up their ad-tracking infrastructure beyond just blocking the ads
It's weird to see how many comments are hysterically defending excessive ads.