I wish eventually it'd become the he facto version. But Debian is so slow to update. Apparently kids these days get anxious if they don't have a system update every other hour and they buy new hardware every weekend. So Debian is too old school to be useful to them.
I'm curious what do people here consider "old" since that's the top complaint about Debian? It's never more than a year or two behind "bleeding edge" distros. When I think "old", I'm thinking 10, 15 years ago. That's considered "old" in the Windows world, but I guess that's super ancient geological history in the Linux world.
@TimeSquirrel@RmDebArc_5@nottheengineer@SomeBoyo@dustyData For gaming one year is old, you want the latest drivers in order to achieve maximum performance ( * or at least increase your chances to ).
For office or media consumption maybe one year isn't old at all.
@TimeSquirrel@RmDebArc_5@nottheengineer@SomeBoyo@dustyData Imo gaming is the only reason to use bleeding edge distros. Otherwise is risky, your system could break with every update.
Even though I said that I also use Arch for uni stuff, but I have everything backed on my own server and in the case of system failure I can simply reinstall arch and mount my network drive again
Nevermind "maximum performance", back when Elden Ring came out I needed a fresh version of mesa to get it to run at all. That was on Ubuntu, but I doubt Debian would have been any better. At least it was an easy fix to get fresher mesa from a PPA.
Because snaps are terrible. They constantly break parts of apps for no reason. If you have container issues with a flatpak, just use flatseal to punch a hole through the container. With snaps, people will tell you to install the non-snap version because that's easier than beating snap into submission.
I learned that the hard way when I had a university project with kubernetes and docker was installed as a snap. I spent way too much time trying to make it work at all before giving up and switching to a VM on my work laptop where it went surprisingly smooth without snaps.
Flatpaks are better in every way and since this isn't about money, we should all just move on and use the best tool for the job.
But what does canonical think should happen when you run sudo apt install firefox and press Y?
That's right, you now have firefox as a snap. Have fun waiting for 5 seconds every time you start it.
Shit like that scares new users away from linux as a whole.
as a windows user who is planning to switch to linux mint im gonna have to bash Ubuntu by calling it red arch since i assume people are making fun of the best distro linux mint
When I used Mint about 6 years ago, I sometimes got into trouble with Mint's weird update system. They were also telling users to reinstall instead of updating when there's a new LTS, which is kinda ridiculous IMO.
They recently made a tool that handle the update to a new LTS. I upgraded from mint 20 to 21 and it went very well aside from the the printer stopping. Tried everything and it still doesn't work. It's not even a modern DRM galore bullshit printer, It's an ancient canon lbp6000 laser printer so I honestly don't know why it stopped.
If anyone got any idea how to fix it, I'd highly appreciate it.
Make sure CUPS is running, go to http://localhost:631 to see the administration interface for CUPS. You'll probably wanna checkout the ArchWiki page about CUPS too, it's relevant to many distributions. If it's a USB printer and not IPP you'll need to make sure the right drivers are being used. IPP printers work outta the box.
Thanks a ton for your help. Yes, it's a USB printer and I got it originally working in mint 20 by installing the driver using a github script because the official driver didn't work for some reason. Hopefully, it will work again. Thanks again.
I actually have a bit of an interesting combo. I use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS with xfce4 and xubuntu-desktop added after the fact with my install that used the regular Ubuntu installer, because the last time I used the XUbuntu installer, it was buggy for me. lol
Meh. I've been rocking Debian based distros ever since Aptitude was released on Debian stable. Which distro just depends on how much free time I have to F around the computer. Lots of time? Something that updates fast. My child was born? I want something rock solid and immutable for years because I don't want to waste time learning new stuff.
I'll have a...
Meme that says 'Ubuntu bad'
How original
And lots of upvotes
Daring today aren't we
It's fun to rag on how much of a POS your first car was, even though you secretly remember it fondly. That's Ubuntu's place now.
That brings back memories
Me with Mint.
I also love cars and double love shitboxes despite having nicer cars now.
I still drive my shitbox most.
Never was my first car... or any for that matter actually
No? The meme says Ubuntu based distros that don't change anything bad
Eh, okay. Still seems to ride the Ubuntu-bashing vibe.
Mint gets rid of snaps, distros that don't are just bad imo.
It even has a Debian based release
I wish eventually it'd become the he facto version. But Debian is so slow to update. Apparently kids these days get anxious if they don't have a system update every other hour and they buy new hardware every weekend. So Debian is too old school to be useful to them.
I'm curious what do people here consider "old" since that's the top complaint about Debian? It's never more than a year or two behind "bleeding edge" distros. When I think "old", I'm thinking 10, 15 years ago. That's considered "old" in the Windows world, but I guess that's super ancient geological history in the Linux world.
@TimeSquirrel @RmDebArc_5 @nottheengineer @SomeBoyo @dustyData For gaming one year is old, you want the latest drivers in order to achieve maximum performance ( * or at least increase your chances to ).
For office or media consumption maybe one year isn't old at all.
Thats what I believe
As not a gamer, I keep forgetting about games and that people also use computers to play them.
@TimeSquirrel @RmDebArc_5 @nottheengineer @SomeBoyo @dustyData Imo gaming is the only reason to use bleeding edge distros. Otherwise is risky, your system could break with every update.
Even though I said that I also use Arch for uni stuff, but I have everything backed on my own server and in the case of system failure I can simply reinstall arch and mount my network drive again
Nevermind "maximum performance", back when Elden Ring came out I needed a fresh version of mesa to get it to run at all. That was on Ubuntu, but I doubt Debian would have been any better. At least it was an easy fix to get fresher mesa from a PPA.
What about Debian testing/sid?
Because snaps are terrible. They constantly break parts of apps for no reason. If you have container issues with a flatpak, just use flatseal to punch a hole through the container. With snaps, people will tell you to install the non-snap version because that's easier than beating snap into submission. I learned that the hard way when I had a university project with kubernetes and docker was installed as a snap. I spent way too much time trying to make it work at all before giving up and switching to a VM on my work laptop where it went surprisingly smooth without snaps.
Flatpaks are better in every way and since this isn't about money, we should all just move on and use the best tool for the job.
But what does canonical think should happen when you run
sudo apt install firefoxand pressY? That's right, you now have firefox as a snap. Have fun waiting for 5 seconds every time you start it.Shit like that scares new users away from linux as a whole.
How well do they handle system components or terminal applications?
Every youtube review
What makes it more user friendly than anything else?
That doesn’t sound any different than any other distro I’ve tried
Bashing Ubuntu is getting really fucking old.
I personally prefer Zshing Ubuntu
I'm more of a fishing kinda guy but whatever floats your boat.
as a windows user who is planning to switch to linux mint im gonna have to bash Ubuntu by calling it red arch since i assume people are making fun of the best distro linux mint
Aside from the snaps being annoying, it's really not bad and works with any hardware you throw at it.
TBH, some software unfortunately is ONLY available via snaps... I'm looking at you Telegram and TradingView...
It is. I think it's just a Lemmy thing. All the folks I know use Ubuntu or Mac TBH. Debain is also nice too.
…and be userfriendly and must be lightweight on my brand new 32core ryzen.
When I used Mint about 6 years ago, I sometimes got into trouble with Mint's weird update system. They were also telling users to reinstall instead of updating when there's a new LTS, which is kinda ridiculous IMO.
I'm probably not the typical Mint user, though.
They recently made a tool that handle the update to a new LTS. I upgraded from mint 20 to 21 and it went very well aside from the the printer stopping. Tried everything and it still doesn't work. It's not even a modern DRM galore bullshit printer, It's an ancient canon lbp6000 laser printer so I honestly don't know why it stopped.
If anyone got any idea how to fix it, I'd highly appreciate it.
I’m so sorry… it seems like your printer has daemons in it…
Make sure CUPS is running, go to http://localhost:631 to see the administration interface for CUPS. You'll probably wanna checkout the ArchWiki page about CUPS too, it's relevant to many distributions. If it's a USB printer and not IPP you'll need to make sure the right drivers are being used. IPP printers work outta the box.
Thanks a ton for your help. Yes, it's a USB printer and I got it originally working in mint 20 by installing the driver using a github script because the official driver didn't work for some reason. Hopefully, it will work again. Thanks again.
LMDE: The cooler Daniel
cry harder red arch user linux Mint is wayyyy better for a previous windows user
I actually have a bit of an interesting combo. I use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS with xfce4 and xubuntu-desktop added after the fact with my install that used the regular Ubuntu installer, because the last time I used the XUbuntu installer, it was buggy for me. lol
Oh my fucking god i actually fucking hate this shitty ass meme templete holy fuckkkkk
Meh. I've been rocking Debian based distros ever since Aptitude was released on Debian stable. Which distro just depends on how much free time I have to F around the computer. Lots of time? Something that updates fast. My child was born? I want something rock solid and immutable for years because I don't want to waste time learning new stuff.