Spyke
X3I
lemmy.x3i.tech

This is one of the reasons why I am very unsure about the whole archinstall thing. On the one hand, it lowers the barrier of entry for less techy people, which is always good. On the other hand, it allows for installing the OS without ever having to use the archwiki, which leads to people making a blog post like this that could be solved by looking for "bluetooth" in the archwiki and following the instructions. To somebody not familiar with the OS, this makes it seem like arch is much more complicated than it actually is. "To run arch, you have to hope that there is a blog post or youtube video for simple things like bluetooth!"

No, you simply go here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/ (Also very useful resource if you are on any other distro btw)

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Syntheadreply
lemmy.world

To run arch, you have to hope that there is a blog post or youtube video for simple things like bluetooth!

Or know what systemd is

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lemmyvorereply
feddit.nl

What on Earth for. I don't think I've used it more than a couple of times over the last 5 years, and that was for arcane stuff like enabling rc.local (which is something every user should probably not know about...)

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scheduling processes, enabling services, debug services and a shit load of other things that advanced users need.

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Plex, CUPS (printing services), Minecraft servers, VPN, file sharing, DHCP/DNS/Wifi, bluetooth are some examples of basic level things systemd can help regular users manage.

Systemd goes far beyond that too.

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Syntheadreply
lemmy.world

It's against the philosophy of Arch. You configure your system the way you want.

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lemmyvorereply
feddit.nl

So, like, you have to manually enable every service you install?

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Yes, always.

  • Maybe you want to migrate a PostgreSQL database to a newer version without starting PostgreSQL server.
  • Maybe you installed OpenSSH but don't want sshd to run yet, because you haven't hardened the configs.
  • Maybe you installed Nginx as a part of a migration from Apache httpd, but httpd is already running.

In addition, Arch hardly configures your system in a custom way, too. When you install a package, most of the time, it responds with "here are the files from the developer that you asked for."

If you don't like this philosophy, then your feelings are perfectly valid, and this is a textbook example of why different distributions exist 👍

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lemmyvorereply
feddit.nl

Because if I install bluetooth it's because I have some bluetooth devices I want to use?...

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author: has Master's degree in engineering

also author: "Let's write a blog post about how to enable a systemd service"

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Maybe he was Windows user and only got to know the depth of how to create a Object Oriented Class efficiently or smth.

But basic stufd like, using the terminal or smth, nah.

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Lol seriously what is this. You need to start your own services in arch everybody who used it knows that

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Jumutareply
sh.itjust.works

mint and arch aren't made for the same people. Not everyone wants it on by default

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lemmyvorereply
feddit.nl

Out of curiosity, what's the point of installing Bluetooth but keeping it disabled?

I imagine the opposite would be the default most people wanted (enable it by default and let power users with a bizarre use case disable it manually).

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because arch is a minimal distro and some people see the processing power used for bt to be wasted

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