Yea, I was gonna say, it's really wet in there too. But at least it's got a snug blankie membrane of sorts that does all its local feeling for it, since it couldn't actually detect any of these things for itself with no nerve endings of its own.
The allegory of the cave is about people who are under an illusion and reject evidence to the contrary. Hence why it has "allegory" in the name, you know. I can't really do anything about being told my brain gets no light and no one's proposing we kill the person who said it, and the point isn't that we shouldn't kill them, so it's not really anywhere near the same.
Plato's Allegory of the Cave, while focused on the rejection of evidence and moral implications, also deeply explores perception and our understanding based on sensory experiences. This theme resonates with the shower thought about the brain being in a dark chamber, reliant on sensory "wires" for information. The allegory illustrates how our perception of reality, like the prisoners viewing shadows in the cave, is limited and shaped by our sensory experiences.
The shower thought and Plato's allegory both suggest that our understanding of the external world is constrained by these sensory inputs. Just as the prisoners in the cave perceive shadows as their entire reality, our brain, encased in the skull, constructs its version of reality based on what our senses convey. This comparison highlights how our perception might be just a fraction of the true nature of the external world.
In linking the shower thought to the allegory, the aim was not to draw a literal comparison but to underscore the shared theme of perceptual limitation and reality versus illusion. This metaphor serves to reflect on how our subjective experiences shape our understanding of the world, akin to how the brain, in its 'sealed chamber,' interprets the information it receives.
Again, sorry you failed to connect the dots. Figured it was obvious enough to not have to write an essay to explain it.
In linking the shower thought to the allegory, the aim was not to draw a literal comparison but to underscore the shared theme of perceptual limitation and reality versus illusion.
But you didn't say that! You just said, via text of all things, this shower thought is the allegory of the cave. So it's no wonder some people aren't connecting your dots. You could stand to be less arrogant about it.
But he didn't say "this shower thought is the allegory of the cave" did he? He suggested a relationship between them by encouraging the op to familiarise themselves with the allegory of the cave. More of "if you liked this, you'll love that" than "this is that".
I don't think it's that farfetched to take that as "your shower thought is the story I've just mentioned". In fact it strikes me as more likely than just drawing a comparison even in hindsight and this conversation is about four times longer than it should be.
Going on like you're interested in philosophy and saying things like "y'all are dumb as fuck", especially in this context, are incongruous and you really missed a great opportunity to stay quiet.
yeah I mean I could see not knowing platos cave but boltzman brains are mentioned pretty often in various media including sprinkled regularly in youtube videos. Im surprised someone could avoid it.
Everyone thinks they're talking about the human skull and nervous system but if someone is sitting in ther bedroom on a PC it's really not all that different from being a brain in a jar, it's just a different interface and the brain can leave.
It's also floating in liquid.
Yea, I was gonna say, it's really wet in there too. But at least it's got a snug blankie membrane of sorts that does all its local feeling for it, since it couldn't actually detect any of these things for itself with no nerve endings of its own.
For a second there I thought you meant feeling as in emotional and was really confused haha
I just imaged the membrane hugging my brain like "don't worry, I got you, focus on keeping this idiot alive"
I am amused at the idea that ones brain would be making derogatory comments about itself in the third person.
It feels everything for us but can’t have feelings of its own. Tragedy. 😔
If you're unfamiliar with Plato's Allegory Of The Cave, you should familiarize yourself.
This shower thought is older than showers!
Plato’s allegory of the cave is not about what this shower thought it about.
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Yes it absolutely is.
I am sorry you are failing to connect these painfully adjacent dots.
The allegory of the cave is about people who are under an illusion and reject evidence to the contrary. Hence why it has "allegory" in the name, you know. I can't really do anything about being told my brain gets no light and no one's proposing we kill the person who said it, and the point isn't that we shouldn't kill them, so it's not really anywhere near the same.
Plato's Allegory of the Cave, while focused on the rejection of evidence and moral implications, also deeply explores perception and our understanding based on sensory experiences. This theme resonates with the shower thought about the brain being in a dark chamber, reliant on sensory "wires" for information. The allegory illustrates how our perception of reality, like the prisoners viewing shadows in the cave, is limited and shaped by our sensory experiences.
The shower thought and Plato's allegory both suggest that our understanding of the external world is constrained by these sensory inputs. Just as the prisoners in the cave perceive shadows as their entire reality, our brain, encased in the skull, constructs its version of reality based on what our senses convey. This comparison highlights how our perception might be just a fraction of the true nature of the external world.
In linking the shower thought to the allegory, the aim was not to draw a literal comparison but to underscore the shared theme of perceptual limitation and reality versus illusion. This metaphor serves to reflect on how our subjective experiences shape our understanding of the world, akin to how the brain, in its 'sealed chamber,' interprets the information it receives.
Again, sorry you failed to connect the dots. Figured it was obvious enough to not have to write an essay to explain it.
Cheers.
But you didn't say that! You just said, via text of all things, this shower thought is the allegory of the cave. So it's no wonder some people aren't connecting your dots. You could stand to be less arrogant about it.
But he didn't say "this shower thought is the allegory of the cave" did he? He suggested a relationship between them by encouraging the op to familiarise themselves with the allegory of the cave. More of "if you liked this, you'll love that" than "this is that".
"(Story that's older than showers)
This shower thought is older than showers!"
I don't think it's that farfetched to take that as "your shower thought is the story I've just mentioned". In fact it strikes me as more likely than just drawing a comparison even in hindsight and this conversation is about four times longer than it should be.
Nah, it was pretty obvious. It's not his fault y'all are dumb as fuck. It happens! Just be happy you learned something today
Going on like you're interested in philosophy and saying things like "y'all are dumb as fuck", especially in this context, are incongruous and you really missed a great opportunity to stay quiet.
Will the person you're answering to understand? Or will they fall into their own allegory of the cave on the allegory of the cave? 🤔
yeah I mean I could see not knowing platos cave but boltzman brains are mentioned pretty often in various media including sprinkled regularly in youtube videos. Im surprised someone could avoid it.
Why? It is just superstitious nonsense from 2500 years ago.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Showing your age now!
I've come to accept I'm old.
It actually is not pitch black. And I recall some part of the brain (some gland) needs this light to set our daily cycle.
Don't ruin my Zork reference, man.
These fuckin people
The audacity!
No no, not hearing, seeing.
Can't wait until someone points out I should use a privacy fork.
nope
Doesn't seem to match with my understanding. Got any references for that?
And tubes. One of the tubes delivers glucose and caffeine.
Some light does penetrate the skull. So not completely dark. Also the blood brain barrier is semi permeable, so not completely sealed.
Some light penetrates the skull. Geez, I hadn't thought of this.
The eye sockets do not block the light with bone.
Haha, I understood how as soon as I read the comment, I just hadn't considered it up until that point.
Can someone without eyes get brain sunburn?
Based on some people behavior, I would say yes, even with eyes.
When you get headaches is cuz the AI is flashing light into your brain to examine how your brain is doing in the simulation
I do wonder if the electrical impulses give off any light
no they don't
exactly like a battery.
also, thinking skills decline with age for the same reason that batteries lose maximum capacity over time.
A human brain conceived Ohms Law with no realization of it itself was functioning.
The brain also named itself (along with everything else)
It’s a wave of ion movement.
Even if how would the brain detect them?
That's a separate issue. A blind person could still sit in a well lit room.
Prove it
Here's photographic evidence for you
How do I know he’s not squatting a millimeter over the chair?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/seeing-without-eyes1/
Interesting read. Ty!
Everyone thinks they're talking about the human skull and nervous system but if someone is sitting in ther bedroom on a PC it's really not all that different from being a brain in a jar, it's just a different interface and the brain can leave.
For a moment I thought you reinvented solipsism. ;)
On that page a came across this and I'll just leave it here
I think I have mice in the walls chewing on the wires.
It doesn't seem to mind
Illuminating
What is in your blood impacts you.
It deserve to see the outside world for a bit, get it some fresh air!