Ukrainian government reacts to American billionaire Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia' and urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'
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I am really tired of this piece of shit getting himself involve in things that he have no remote understanding of.
He understands that papa Putin will release the kompromat if he doesn’t say this.
But he's smart in one thing so he must be smart in all things?
Name one thing he's actually smart in.
Selling smoke.
Exactly. For a while he was doing really well at selling himself as visionary investing in cool technologies when no one else was willing to. Then he started to comment on shit he really has no idea about and it all went down hill fast. Certainly after the whole insulting a cave rescuer as a paedophile.
Spending daddy's money
Exploitation
Learned it from daddy
Creating hype and a cult of personality
But I havent seen Jeff bezos or Warren Buffet doing the same shit as him. I know they control the media too but why he can be like them? Lol
Because they actually are a bit smarter than him.
His family made their fortune because of Apartheid. It makes sense that he'd sympathize with the occupiers.
He is pretty fascist, so its no wonder he sides with them.
You can take the Afrikaner out of South Africa, but you can't take the apartheid out of the Afrikaner.
Ukraine should put him on their list of Russian propagandists
Dumbass.
Edit: I mean that billionaire thundercunt. Not you OP. I bet you are fabulous.
Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck ignorant lazy billionaires. The mega wealthy are ALL the problems wrong with this world.
yep especially the arrogance. sure he can share his wisdom, but maybe first go for an internship in the ukrainian army, little elon 😉 then I'll take it seriously
I think he wants Ukraine to fold so he can peddle his shitty inventions to Russia without pesky sanctions getting in the way, whilst styling himself as a great diplomat.
That he disabled Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian offensive already showed as much.
45 people upvoting misinformation.
Quote from Walter Isaacson, the author of the book this claim originated from:
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Starlink was totally fine with being used for defensive purposes. Is recovering Russia occupied Crimea not a defensive act?
Also that war was already raging on.
Also I wasn't quoting any book. I was online when this shit happened. Preventing a drone strike against a Russian naval fleet in the black sea.
Your claim was that he disabled it. He did not disable it. It was not enabled in the first place. Enabling it would be against US sanctions to Russia.
You're giving him way too much credit calling them "his inventions". He didn't invent shit
What a joke of a man
Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
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Most of this is just general "war is bad for everyone" and the old "the ones fighting the war aren't the one who want the war". It's true but it's also really nothing new or especially smart.
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
It also completely ignores a few things:
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn't want to fight in this war.
He's not wrong
He is mistaken in it not being Russia’s choice
It’s not the choice of the Ukrainian boys because they are being invaded
The invaders do have the choice to march against Moscow
Why dont you go march against Washington then over their support for Israel.
Easier said than done
They aren't being conscripted into a war, so your analogy doesn't work.
If I was forced to fight, I'd rather turn on the one that forces me than on the ones they tell me to fight.
This war isn't going to stop until Putin gets threatened to do so by his own population.
Because the west sure as hell isn't going to let Ukraine just roll over and let Russia get away with yet an other territory that does not belong to them.
Not American but why would I support Hamas? Israel is more tolerable of gays 👈👈 (best I could do for finger guns)
And I’m not the one killing Palestinians so it’s not comparable
Having said that there has already been a march on Moscow that they could have joined
"Stop resisting and just sympathize" is also how Elon Musk got ten kids.
Maybe the rat can visit the front line for a couple of months and see what Russia has done before chiming in.
A day will suffice
No, fucker.
This is, was this POS thought all along and is another proof for his total lack of empathy and inability to think ahead.
The world should sympathise with the idea of sending Muskrat with an one way ticket to Mars.
Do humanity a double service and fly to Mars.
And stay there.
Can we start a movement to incentivize one politician or someone with a lot of representation behind them to simple tell the bird brain to "sit down, shut up and stay still"?
Just buy something to shoot down his private jet
We are civilized people, here. This isn't Russia.
Exactly that's why we use NATO weapons to do it
That is just too quick and painless. Have it seized and baned from flying until further inspection. Rinse, repeat, at least 50 times. Charge him fees for having the plane parked at whatever airport it may be at. Then have the airplane banned of ever flying again.
Nah too dangerous and too much work, just shoot him down like Pringles Man
Also do the same with any new planes he might buy out of frustration.
Say it is because of security for his own life.
I bet he's gonna buy Channel One Russia next.
I was going to say, what is he trying to buy/sell in Russia now? Maybe they don't use starlink yet?
He could buy literally anything, I just joked about him getting control of state owned television.
These links does not work. Where is the source?
Why does this quote seem... Inaccurate? I've seen Muskrat speak a few times and he's seemed to have a basic understanding of the English language? Never heard him discuss the flower of youth?
Thank you that's so weird..
I just see it as cross-posted from… and the link to that Lemmy instances in the description. Thanks for the link.
It's from a +2 hour podcast he did with Lex Fridman. Transcript in the description. You only need to listen the first 20 minutes though. Good luck trying to find him saying the things he's accused of here.
It’s insane to me how many peoples opinions are based solely on bullshit headlines and rage comments. It’s fucking embarrassing. Read the fucking article and then ALSO think for yourself. Don’t let the retard internet mobs think for you.
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+2 hour podcast he did with Lex Fridman.
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Ukrainian security and world order depends on Elon Musk shutting the fuck up. If he doesn't, his money won't stop motivated governments from shutting him down.
I'll take Shit That Didn't Happen for $200, Alex.
On the other hand: This news article is crap. why not actually read the interview Musk gave: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript After having read the part about Ukraine, my interpretation would rather be: Even an idiot like Musk is able to give a pretty good analysis of what‘s happening in a war like this.
The links does not work, but was it really based on that interview?
I think his take on the topic was reasonable - it’s allowed to just not want any more death or suffering on either side - but not realistic.
It was also one sided - you really can’t focus on what Ukraine can do without also saying who started it all and caused the war in the first place. He never mentioned that Russia started it and how easy it is for Russia to stop all suffering and achieve peace. At best you can say he’s given up on Russia, don’t think they’ll change, and try to get Ukraine to stop more suffering. But is that really realistic - did Russia stop after Donetsk in 2014? It’s not reasonable to think it will be different this time. Give Russia peace for 5 years and let them rebuild their strength? They’ll just start again and set target for Kiev.
Link still works for me. I was curious wether he really said that thing about youth being the flower, so I looked it up. And he really did. The other things mentioned in the article were there, too, albeit in a more coherent fashion. It‘s true he doesn‘t demand that Russia should stop. They should, but they won‘t. And realistically this war will go on in the trenches with the youth of both sides dying.
Yeah I need to figure why I can’t follow the cross post here on Lemmy so i can get to the article.
I’ve watched the complete interview with Lex, so if this content is based on that, then title on this post here on Lemmy is junk, so if that’s the title used on the article I won’t have high hopes for that either.
I just despise clickbaited titles with statements that are twisted into someone elses opinion on the meaning behind what was said. I see it so often. I have no better solution currently than finding the actual source and make my own opinion, but it’s tiring. I do believe that “journalism” like this makes the world is worse place to live.
Well said. That‘s exactly why I posted the original. I guess nobody even read the article of the original post, because it was so incoherent and really just existed to frame his thoughts as pro russian propaganda. And yeah, in the end it wasn‘t and I could feel his strong sentiment against war.
Yeah, well. I miss Lemmy from July I guess. Now, on any contended topic, I feel it’s no better than Reddit (except for the whole overlords censoring thingy). Have a look at Tildes for a little less stupid news reporting and articles.
will do, thanks