But who decides what the proper definition is? Your proper definition is for me a narrow if it doesn't take into account the common usage. The definition of meme is widening. Cope with it.
I'm perfectly happy to give orthographic dominion to Webster. They can be our Academie Francaise. They can control the definition drift. And the pedants can use their educational privilege to suppress the poors. As it should be.
I didn't say they weren't. I just reject the notion that proper definitions aren't gatekeeping. I'm not joining the above argument. I understand the definition is based on usage and the usage has changed. Most humans are morons and don't know how to use words properly so they let language change over time.
Eh, what "meme" actually means and what it currently means in popular culture are two different things. People never understood what it really means, but the most commonly used meaning of it is constantly changing.
The word itself was coined by Richard Dawkins in 1976. But it wasn't a commonly used term until around 2005, even then it was used exclusively for specific things and few people knew its actual meaning.
But memes in their literal sense have almost always been a thing, and they're common among many species.
In Dawkins' sense of the word, memes are 'units of cultural inheritance'. So melodic movements in bird song, that birds teach each other, could be considered memes.
Any other place you might find cultural inheritance, you could describe it in terms of memes. Memes were simply meant to be a cultural analogy to genes.
Your post is an "uh, actually" version of what I said. You are not disagreeing with me but still somehow making it sound like you do.
I meant the term meme never applied to only sharing "image macros" but to inside jokes, coming shared references, common cultural knowledge. It is an absolutely fascinating term and concept if used like that, and I wish more people would understand it and use it in the same way.
Meme actually means something and isn't just "funny image." We no longer have a word for what a meme actually is. I didn't care about the meaning of ironic changing because there's still words for that but this is different.
That's not a political cartoon.
I think that OP's sentiment is more against gatekeeping what a meme is. Like if this is a meme, than political cartoons are too
Defining words properly isn't gatekeeping, it's categorization.
Well, defining words narrowly is pretty much the definition of gatekeeping. I hope you're not gatekeeping what gatekeeping means?
You aren't a real gatekeeper if you haven't gatekept gatekeeping before
Ah yes, no true gatekeeper.
Defining things properly isn't gatekeeping. You said narrow. I didn't.
But who decides what the proper definition is? Your proper definition is for me a narrow if it doesn't take into account the common usage. The definition of meme is widening. Cope with it.
I'm perfectly happy to give orthographic dominion to Webster. They can be our Academie Francaise. They can control the definition drift. And the pedants can use their educational privilege to suppress the poors. As it should be.
As it has always been. As God himself intended it as we see in the story of the tower of babel
I love the origin of it.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/the-origin-of-the-word-meme/
Not only is it a great origin, that's a fantastic article on it
Thank you so much for sharing
Literally all the things here including comments are memes.
Correct
So basically what I'm saying is that there's a lot of people gatekeeping what a meme is without understanding what a meme is
Or if they're referring to the first of the definitions in the screenshot I shared, not understanding that different people can find things humorous
The biggest meme of all is our spoken languages
I didn't say they weren't. I just reject the notion that proper definitions aren't gatekeeping. I'm not joining the above argument. I understand the definition is based on usage and the usage has changed. Most humans are morons and don't know how to use words properly so they let language change over time.
This one is also nice and true until today
https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/3428/103-Year-Old-Comic-Describes-What-Would-Happen-If-Pocket-Telephones-Are-Invented
Same with Musk's "revolutionary" Hyperloop, nothing new with the same people
truly amazing meme
thanks!
Pocket phone prediction is more spot on than the cartoonist themselves realized, Amish men got shunned because of the emergency alert test going off
Their hyper loop drawing is missing the Costco tube communication sound, a nice "thoonk!" Noise.
We can put it on silent,, but that doesn't mean everybody does when they should!
People no longer understand what meme means. Memes are old as time. Stories, jokes, funny images. Pretty much every form of information can be a meme.
So, yes, this is a slightly older meme.
Eh, what "meme" actually means and what it currently means in popular culture are two different things. People never understood what it really means, but the most commonly used meaning of it is constantly changing.
The word itself was coined by Richard Dawkins in 1976. But it wasn't a commonly used term until around 2005, even then it was used exclusively for specific things and few people knew its actual meaning. But memes in their literal sense have almost always been a thing, and they're common among many species.
What species aside from Homo Sapiens use memes?
In Dawkins' sense of the word, memes are 'units of cultural inheritance'. So melodic movements in bird song, that birds teach each other, could be considered memes. Any other place you might find cultural inheritance, you could describe it in terms of memes. Memes were simply meant to be a cultural analogy to genes.
Your post is an "uh, actually" version of what I said. You are not disagreeing with me but still somehow making it sound like you do.
I meant the term meme never applied to only sharing "image macros" but to inside jokes, coming shared references, common cultural knowledge. It is an absolutely fascinating term and concept if used like that, and I wish more people would understand it and use it in the same way.
Memes are truly as old as the human race.
Hell one could argue that memes are as old as social constructs
So they could in all likelihood predate moden humans
Are animal paintings in caves memes too?
Literally yes
Meme actually means something and isn't just "funny image." We no longer have a word for what a meme actually is. I didn't care about the meaning of ironic changing because there's still words for that but this is different.
Meme has come to mean cartoon. Your usage is no different.
Meme doesn't NOT originally mean cartoon, it just means a viral idea.
Richard Dawkins, is it you?
Garfield is a meme.
Going to be hard to beat fire and pointy sticks for old memes.
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Always dipping on the chinless...
Define meme, does the Sator Square count?
So, uh, yes.
Yes (IMO) it does count.
It was passed down for centuries in a non-gene based way among people
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