Should we ban scat fetish?
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As admins, we removed the scat communities, thinking that scat was covered by the NSFL. However, some people have opposing views on this matter. What do you think about it? If people want it allowed, then we can restore content.
https://strawpoll.com/wby5Ae7PXyA
Edit: My answer for friends in the comments; The main reason NSFL was banned is because we currently don't have the tools to separate porn from NSFL. I'm in favor of the ban because I think its the same way in scat. If we had enough tools right now, we wouldn't be ban the NSFL either. Although, I agree that voting for niche fetishes doesn't make sense.
Edit 2: Also I don't want to think about shit anymore. I'm out 😀 https://lemmynsfw.com/post/117500
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Definitely not a fan of scat, and I definitely don't want to see it on my feed, but I feel like it's my job as a user to block the stuff I want to avoid. If you guys want to implement a "NSFW+" feature that we can use to mass-block the content that goes past the normal NSFW limits, great, but I don't think it should be banned just because some people really don't like it.
AGREE 100%
I don't consume this sort of content, but in general, I don't think "democracy" is the best way to judge niche fetishes. Decades ago, the majority would have voted to exclude gay porn. I personally enjoy hotwife and cuckold content. I've been pushed out of communities where the thought of ones partner sleeping with someone else makes a lot of people uncomfortable. When I see the community voting for or against fetishes it makes me uncomfortable, because I wonder when one of my kinks is next.
Voting on content inclusion or inclusion will lead to a tyranny of the majority. Kink acceptance should not be a popularity contest. Instead we should seek a principles based approach that embraces inclusion and tolerance while still staying within the bounds of the law. At the same time we should encourage the lemmy devs to build features that allow users to avoid content they don't want to see so that we don't need a heavy handed top level approach.
kinda surprising to see voting is leaning towards ban. if scat won't be on lemmynsfw, where else is it supposed to be in?
Block the community if you don't like the fetish, but banning scat makes no sense to me.
My favorite instance admin for a reason.
It's not everyone's cup of tea or even most people's, but neither are dicks for most browsing this instance, some still want those around and it's more than understandable, I don't like em, someone is super excited about it though. They probably aren't into titties, I like titties. Id be shitty if they tried to ban titties.
Unless it's illegal or genuinely traumatic seems dumb to ban it, especially considering the first big announcement he made was legally dubious in some areas.
Personally I'd recommend replacing scat with titties or ass and vote thinking if that was on the chopping block. this isn't a do you like question, this is a purge question. lemmynsfwspecialkinks seems wayyyy too long for an instance name imo let's stop this train before it starts and someone gotta make that instance.
What's the issue with scat porn?
Is it illegal or something?
If it's not illegal then on what grounds is it being banned?
Exactly
Admin over at Yiffit here.
We have a temporary ban on content that is perfectly legal but which could be really weird to remote admins and moderators for at least 2 months in hopes that better moderation tools will appear so that remote instances can hide certain content without having to defederate from us completely.
Couple of questions and I mean this out of ignorance, not hate...
Yiff is like being/dreaming of furries right?
That seems legal but "really weird" so what kind of stuff are you banning?
I'm learning programming so don't expect anything great or even good out of me, but what kind of moderation tools are you looking for? Specific features you want?
To avoid defederation, I guess
I see no legitimate justification for straight banning it tbh.
Kinda confused why there's a vote on this tbh. Just block the community if you don't like it? That's kinda on the end user.
Like, Imma be real, I probably have the biggest community block list of any user on the instance, but that's mainly because I'm ace and here for the lewd stuff rather than the sexually explicit stuff. I know I'm not the target demographic of this instance overall, but if there's an option for people to filter the content out they should use it.
Lmao same. I'm blocking this community now because I'm not here for debate :D
I'm disappointed to see that voting is leaning towards a ban. I'm not remotely interested in scat, but it isn't a big deal to block those communities, as I was doing before they were shut down.
I guess someone could make lemmyscat.com, targeting both the kink and Lemmy users with feline pets.
50/50 ripoff and with much larger difference.
VPN Votes not allowed.
My vote is that we ban it here. I think the best solution for these issues is to have at least two NSFW instances. One that's more tightly moderated and more socially acceptable, and a second that's run with a more Libertarian wildboi flair. Business up front, party in the back. Maybe call the other one something like LemmyTrueNSFW, or LemmyWildNSFW, or something like that. This is how Federation achieves censorship-resistance. It allows a space for those on the fringe, while preventing the fringe from overwhelming the normie majority.
I like this option, I agree that while It's not something I'm into I feel like we should not kink shame those who are. Creating a second instance for the more taboo things allows for it to exist but we still won't see it while browsing 'All' in lemmynsfw. But it's there for those who want to subscribe to it.
Actually it would still show up in All as long as at least one user on this instance is subscribed to a community on the other one. Just not in Local.
I guess I have a couple of those, from time to time. Damned if I know when one is coming, though.
It's another of those things where it won't be problem once lemmy develops more.
Right now, if I'm scrolling all, I can get hit with a face full of scat before I can implement a block. Which is a major problem for anyone using anything but jerboa or web, since none of the other apps can block things yet.
Lemmy doesn't have a flair system to auto filter things preemptively (though I think the connect app does it an the app).
I'm not a prude. I used to be a nurse's assistant, so nudity is meh to be, and I've seen more feces than is fair. I've had more feces on me than most people ever see in their life, tbh. But it would be very nice to not have to run across it because someone here made a brand new c/ that I haven't blocked yet. And again, and again, and again.
Hell, all the damn furry futa is at least funny for someone that isn't into the kink. But, for fucking real, I have seen all the shit I want to see in my life. That should be opt in only kink, you feel me? I can't opt out of seeing it the first time. So, yeah, maybe the idea of someone making an extreme kink instance that's easier to avoid since everyone will defederate it while leaving this one alone is a good idea.
Just saying, there are some things that are just not going to be welcomed by other instances. Scat is one that's likely to cause more trouble than it's worth.
I would like to continue browsing all to pick up on interesting slices. I don't terribly mind filtering out stuff I'm not intersted. What I mind is the ridiculous amount of communities being pumped out for every concievable permutation and subvariation of interests.
Off-topic, but I've seen this sort of hopeful thinking a lot on here, and I'm not really sure where it's coming from. When are you expecting Lemmy development to fix this, and what are you basing that on?
It's a necessary function. It's just a matter priorities and time.
So, manually basically part hope, part prediction, and part projection lol.
I just worry about being too presumptuous. I don't want to crush any optimism; I'd love to see the project grow and improve with new features to better serve the community's needs. On the other hand, I also realize those changes won't happen simply because everybody expects them to.
"Lean on God if you must, but row away from the rocks."
I'm seeing a lot of discussion here and just want to chip in and lay down my argument for scat.
Banning it is really not okay. Unlike gore which clearly has significant ethical issues, scat causes no harm and is simply disliked by many people. Scat is already banned in many places of discussion, meaning that people in this fetish are forced to gather in places where actual child porn and bestiality is, because they literally have no other choice.
Please throw us a lifeline. Don't make us go to a scummy instance full of creeps and actual pedophiles.
I really love this community, and I want to stay a part of it with you all! Let us have our safe haven, there aren't many places out there like this ❤
hepatitis A, hepatitis E, cholera, adenovirus, and E. coli would like your location.
Tell me which of these can't also happen with perfectly normal vanilla sex?
hep E, cholera, E. coli.
That's not true, though. They do have a choice. They can always start their own instance, with their own standards of decency. That's the beauty of decentralization; you can just circumvent authority.
It's even less reasonable to tell someone to give up control of their instance in order to meet your desires. You aren't the one running this place, so you don't get to make the rules. The beauty of decentralization is that it's far more reasonable to tell someone to create their own Lemmy instance than it is to tell them to create their own Reddit.
Yes, actually. I was involved in the discussions on this very topic on Pluspora, a Diaspora pod that was created as a temporary lifeboat for Google+ refugees. The cost per user for even a small fediverse server is less than $2/year, and that number gets smaller as the userbase grows. the userbase can cover that cost via GoFundMe donations or Patreon contributions, just as they do on this instance.
Short of taking control over someone else's instance, it's the most viable solution available. There's no easier way to start your own online social group than with open source decentralized social media. If you can't be bothered to do that, then abide by the social contract of the instance you're on, because it's not yours.
It's only the cost of a cup of coffee. Your users can afford it, easily.
My argument is that if you don't like the rules of this clubhouse, decentralization allows you to go start your own clubhouse, with your own rules.
I'm not being lead around on a leash. I'm not the one who has an issue with banning poopoo from one instance.
And my vote says no. Most votes say no.
Bullshit. There's already 824 different instances. There's no reason there can't be a 825th instance. The only bar that's lower is the bar to coup an established instance.
Even if they didn't, they're not under any obligation to cater to that niche. There's no reason the niche needs to be a part of that community. It can just as easily be a part of another community. The admin team of LemmyNSFW cannot stop you from sharing poopoo on Lemmy, not even with an authoritarian ban. It's trivial to circumvent their authority, with your own instance.
Completely agreed. More reason to start your own instance, with your own voice, rather than drowning out someone else's voice on their instance.
No, I did not.
I'm not.
Cut the bullshit, maybe you can earn my respect.
As much as I don't like it, its just another fetish. I'd allow it under its own community - are you able to make it blocked by default or an opt-in thing,
It was under its own community, they just banned that community
I definitely don't want to browse this server (lemmy@nsfw) and come across scat in my timeline. I support banning it. People that enjoy it can set up their own server for it, and server admins can choose to federate or defederate to it.
I don't like it, but I don't think it should be banned. Why is pissing and piss drinking allowed, but the other end not? I can't believe I'm defending shit (pun intended).
Off-topic, what happened to the rules regarding underage hentai? I saw the voting/discussion posts get purged because "enough drama", but are the rules still in-effect? Are any characters aged up still banned?
The rule was not changed on that. It wasn't contributing to a productive discussion after it concluded iirc, hence its removal.
Thank you for clarifying, though you could've just locked it so that people know what the rules are regarding aged up characters.
I was admin-ed after its deletion, for clarify.
It’s not for me but who I am I to judge. If it were possible to stop it appearing in “all” that would be ideal but that’s not how lemmy works I know.
It would nice if a community can choose to opt out of "all"
Lemmy REALLY needs a way to separate communities so they don't appear in all. I completely agree that people shouldn't have to see it on the front page or new, and shouldn't have to block 15 different communities to see a halfway decent front page.
I want to see this content, and I'm willing to search for it. I should be able to to seek it out but not force everyone else to see it. I'd still like it to be in this instance though. It's hard to find NSFW instances in general, let alone one that caters to one or two specific kinks.
This is especially important if people are defederating. I don't mind seeking it out, but I need to be able to seek it out.
I mean if we are banning individual fetishes, where do you draw the line...
Not Safe For Life has never to my knowledge conventionally included scat/extreme fetishes. I've always heard it used to describe things like gore, death, etc.
One other issue with voting on weather fetishes are acceptable is you risk the stability of other subs. For example if people recognize that they can get fetishes tagged as nsfl and removed what happens when a conservative group comes in and targets the multiple trans communities we have here stating they are nsfl. And after that they could reasonably expand that to futas. And so on...
I feel like scat content is something people actively seek out if they are interested, and avoid if they are not. So, it is probably better if it was its own thing that didn't end up in the "general" nsfw community, and instead stayed under its own niche umbrella. I don't necessarily have a solution for this, but scat and various other kinds of niche content should probably either have its own community or be some sort of opt-in thing.
Live & let live, provided it’s all between consenting adults.
That said, I don’t want to see it. Or various other things that tend to spawn countless communities on this and other sites - eg hentai, foot fetish, assorted bodily fluids eg. I’d love a mandatory tagging or categorisation feature that lets us pre-emptively block entire categories of community without needing to hide them one by one as they pop up.
please, this. only seeing hentai on the front page has been discouraging for me. no judgements but not for me.
Brooo, we're so getting defederated.
Like, fr, I vote to ban it and this is why. An instance that allows gore and scat is almost definitely only going to be federated with other such instances. That stuff seriously needs its own instance, just for the safety of every other, more standard community. If scat shows in the all feed of another instance just one time, this instance will be instantly dead.
Yeah, to some of us it does. I'd prefer not to have to swap between a bunch of identical accounts just to be able to go from checking the subs I mod to looking at tech news.
If you're fine with being defederated, why not just start up your own instance and take on that risk yourself? No reason to have the rest of us get defederated just because you're okay with it.
To be explicit about it: this is how you lose the obscenity test and tank the entire community.
I think having their own instance would be better for everyone, and that goes for more than just the scat people
This sets a very dangerous precedent. Banning any legal consenting type of nsfw material leads this instance down the road to pure vanilla "gonewild".
Im not here for pure vanilla gonewild. I'm here for hentai.
Slippery Slope Fallacy.
It's only a fallicy if it doesn't happen, and in this case I think there is a clear path to this.
But it hasn't happened yet. You just state that it will, with no evidence to support that.
Then support your assertion. What do you base this claim on?
The basis of the argument to ban seems to be that user do not want this in their instance feeds (and without more mod/admin tools this can happen).
The path to other communities facing a popular vote ban is that if a precedent is set here for how we deal with this, and the ban is successful, it's an effective way of solving the issue (1).
Once we have an effect way of removing communities, it can be used again. To say it will never be used again is unrealistic.
What I'd suggest instead is a clear set of rules on what is acceptable, without targeting specific communities which the general userbase may find unappealing.
You're just restating the Slippery Slope Fallacy, here.
Eh idk. The segmant you quoted says basically "if it happened once it could happen again", which really isn't a Slippery Slope Fallacy.
A Slippery Slipe Fallacy says that one thing could lead to something else which could lead to even more something else. That isn't a good argument, but to say that one thing could lead to the same thing again is a valid argument and self evident if you see that certain factors lead to that one thing, so those same factors would lead to it again.
fallacy fallacy
Likewise.
Edit - actually, no. I was not arguing that the fallacy made the conclusion false. I'm arguing that the fallacy made the conclusion unsupported. Simply pointing out a fallacy doesn't constitute the Fallacy Fallacy.
alright. i'd say it's hard to guess what you were arguing, as you just said the name of an logical fallacy without any other context though.
but as a response to that, i'd say it's not - in order to not be a slippery slope, there needs to be an obvious line where we ban legal content, and were we don't. where is that line? piss? humiliation? normal bdsm? none of these are things i want to see; but all i know is if they come for the scat fetishists, and i don't speak out, because i am not a scat fetishist...
So by saying "Likewise", you are saying it is a: fallacy fallacy fallacy
I agree it NSFL according to me, but my opinions don't count for others. I think it should be its own community and that was one thing I loved about reddit. You want gw look up gw, you want milf go to milf.
That's how it works here too... what they are saying is should we ban the scat sub from reddit. If you don't like scat don't go to scat, or block the community.
Got it I misunderstood that.
except this isn't reddit. thats the entire point of defederated design, they can go make one and not cause a lot of problems for this one, not to mention that the admin doesn't want to deal with it.
let me say it again, this is not reddit, there is no reason to force a fed to host something they don't want to just go host it elsewhere.
yaeh and they can do that but they will lose users. im not saying they should have to host things they dont want. I'm saying if they want a popular NSFW lemmy instance then banning random communities they dislike is a bad idea.
If clients can't handle this seamlessly then the federated concept as a whole is dead on arrival anyway.
It's not something I personally want to see, but I can always block communities I don't want to be exposed to and I'm not aware of any legal complications, so I don't see any reason to ban it outright.
Content that most people consider extreme needs to be opt-in for viewers. Eg I don’t want to see content like this in the new/active feeds. Of course users can block it, but I don’t think that’s enough. Think if a new user joins and sees the new feed filled with content they are uncomfortable with.
Lemmy really needs a way to filter sensitive communities so content like this can be hidden away from feeds/federation unless users explicitly want to see it.
Lemmy very much was not prepared for such an influx of users on short notice, so unfortunately we kinda need to tape and prayer quite a bit of things it feels like. I think a NSFL tag would be good general feature, or going further CWs for specific communities.
This is really the issue. Having scat appear in the 'All' section of the website probably isn't very appealing to most current or new users. It's not that we should push it to another instance or mark it NSFL (since that's not really what that tag is meant for), but that it should just be marked as a sensitive community (by a site admin, or perhaps by the community admin), removed from 'All', and have a confirmation screen whenever a user tries to enter the community. The "site who shall not be named" had a similar feature.
I would ban it temporarily at least until it can be added to NSFL or there is something in place like a "normie" filter. So that would be like when you first log in after creating your account lemmy would "ask" you "Do you wanna ban these boards?" And then a list of the boards with check/unchecked marks and a description of what the fetish/boards is about. So a pre-ban of boards that is undesired by most people.
That way lemmynsfw users wouldn't have peoples eyes pierced by a close up of a someone taking a dump.
I'm new to the Lemmy stuff, but if you can fliter/block stuff you don't want to see, I would say let it stay.
That's just the problem, though. You can't do that.
You literally can block a community. As a user of course.
Forcing users to manually filter out literal shit is horrible ux design. If the mods push off their responsibilities to the userbase, the userbase is likely to leave, and this place becomes a ghost town.
Allow it, but only within their defined communities, I don't wanna see scat in places like c/gonewild or other more vanilla/mainstream communities
I think it shouldn't be banned. It's not my thing and I don't understand it at all but that doesn't mean it's harmful or unethical. It's looked down on but as long as it's educated, consenting adults, it's not the same as gore. It's not illegal. What would be the argument to have it banned? Just because it's extreme enough to be listed as nsfl instead of nsfw? Who made that call? Seems like an arbitrary line to draw. It's easy enough to just block content we don't want to see, right?
Is there no quarantine like option. A higher or different tier of NSFW. I don't really care as long as it's legal and moderated and I don't have to see shit
basic community approach
I think that lemmy is basically a place where people who have the same interests come together. These commonalities are organized through communities. This ensures that anyone who wants to contribute something to the topic can join them. **But at the same time, and more importantly for me, it also means I can stay away from a topic if I don't like the topic. **
My derivation from it
The platform with a focus on #nsfw is a place where basically everyone can organize their topics in communities. It's an open, liberal place, a place of freedom of expression. Everyone can communicate their views.
But, and this is a very important but for me!: The platform and the operators have a social responsibility. They face this by setting rules according to which certain content is not desired on the platform. For me, the most important principle is legality. I as a person, and probably others feel the same way, do not want to be on a platform that publishes or tolerates prohibited / illegal / borderline content. Banning these topics is an effective technique, although it may require community involvement to bring such content to attention. I would therefore find it wrong to say that the operator alone is responsible.
Don't ban at any cost
The thin red line between bans to keep the community "clean" and to prevent freedom of expression is a challenge in many topics. For me personally, there are several "lines" that I use as a guide. The absolute line is what is illegal by law. Based on this, I sort out what is not of interest to me because I don't want to deal with the topic / I don't like it. At the same time, I think that the community concept creates a solution in which people with any #nsfw interests can get together without it affecting me in any way. No matter how kinky one finds it, another may find finding like-minded people in a niche particularly helpful.
personal opinion
So I don't think that legal content should be banned in principle. But I think it's useful to give the user the ability to personally filter out unwanted content. (I really appreciate the Mastodon concept, which allows me to hide certain terms or tags in the settings, and I use it intensively.) So far, I've managed with lemmy in such a way that my feed only shows the subscribed communities. That's why I haven't needed the function to hide entire communities yet. But I assume that the day will come and as a user I don't think it's a bad thing at all to actively take care of myself that I don't see things that I personally don't find beautiful. It's my responsibility to do that and I think it's the right thing to do.
no matter what #nsfw inclinations
I intentionally didn't address #scat in writing the post itself beacuse it is less important to me than how we want to deal with content in general. Personally, I'm not a fan of scat, but that doesn't mean I don't feel concerned with the question. Because it could be that tomorrow there will be a vote on another #nsfw niche topic which I really love. That's why I'm looking for a solution that restricts the lemmynsfw as little as possible and still ensures that it remains a place for everyone.
there is no reason to feel pressure to host a community you don't want to. That's the entire point of defederation. They're free to go host their own somewhere else, and you're preventing a lot of issues with the current federation states by not lowering your own bar of obscenity / legal / censor risk past where you're comfortable.
I really hope that Lemmy implements better moderation and content restriction tools, and maybe CWs like Masto has. I don't think that scat is NSFL, but I also think it may be wise to restrict certain fetishes like scat, hot lunch, blood, extreme bdsm, CNC etc until there are better tools to manage what shows up in a feed. I am not judging those fetishes, and if they belong anywhere they belong here, but having that stuff appearing on the front page or the universal feed on another instance without warnings or ways to restrict that content in the feed is going to get us defederated. It's not fair, but it's still true.
If there was an opt-in switch for extreme fetishes, such that the content wasn't federated and didn't appear on your feed unless you opt-in, that might be a good technical solution.
Shit like that is not for me. It is my responsibility to block that bullshit.
Banning stuff or anything you disagree with is a dark hole.
Does anyone remember the FART HAMMER?
I’m not into scat but I think it should be allowed.
The majority should not police the fetish of some because they don't like it. If its legal, don't ban it.
It's not for me but as long as it's clearly labelled, can be blocked by anyone who doesn't want to see that stuff, and there aren't dozens of them popping up every day then I don't see a problem with allowing it.
It’s not my cup of tea and I consider it NSFL as well but it isn’t illegal. I can block the content on my end as I have already done.
I assume scat means shit? Poop? Is that right?
Just a user here, but I'd say a small subset of users in other instances are already asking to defederate from this instance for some of the basic communities that show up, like gonewild. I just don't see allowing a fetish "at this time" being helpful to the situation.
The mod tools are not there yet, even if you added the ability to opt-in on just this instance. If someone subscribes to the community from a different instance it will show up for ALL USERS on the all feed for that instance. And well, thats just shitty (pun intended) for those who don't like the kink but want to see nsfw communities. Now you've put the problem on the users who must choose to block the community.
So, while I'm a big supporter of kinks, I am not in support of allowing it on lemmy today. voted accordingly.
Wow, that seems like something that needs to be changed ASAP.
That's a feature, not a bug, though there's some debate on the Lemmy GitHub about the wisdom of locally caching federated nsfw content.
It should be possible to cache the content without displaying it. Caching content should be a performance enhancement that doesn't otherwise impact users.
Caching has other downsides though, mostly for content that might not be legal in an instance's jurisdiction.
Seems like there should be an option under profile to include nsfw in the all feed, which would solve a lot of these complaints
Tbh I'd rather not see it, and feel like it falls under nsfl (which doesn't have to be illegal either).
I understand that it's a thing, but as someone else described it, it's like nsfw+. There's a huge range of nsfw from bikini shots to this or other stuff.
I guess I can always just watch the subscribed feed but that prevents natural discovery, and it's not the default.
So I suggest... Asking people to refrain from posting it for the time being until better filters exist. It's not exactly fair I know, but it's not like it's the only category that's questionable like that.
The problem is that some of the categories of images that people might not want to pop up in their feed are very vanilla, e.g. dick pics are not kinky or extreme, just not something a lot of straight guys and lesbian women want in their feed. So should they also not be posted? What about feet? Some might not want giant pictures of feet on their screen. Or maybe rough sex? Some people also really don't like cuckolding, so no pictures with captions or post titles for that? Where does it end?
Sure but then on the other hand, gore is banned, and that can exist in artistic nsfw forms too.
It's not everything or nothing. Or if it is, then I'd rather have everything.
I don't have anything against any kinks, I just think there are levels to it and scat is beyond the line of comfort of most people. There are loooots of categories that probably wouldn't even make it to lemmynsfw so it's not like I'm singling out just this.
That doesn't make it bad, it's just something I suggest showing only to people who actively look for it. And Lemmy doesn't have such tools at the moment.
Just let them have their own community. If this is supposed to be THE goto NSFW lemmy instance you shouldn't ban NSFW content as long as it doesn't break any laws.
I'm on a tracker that allows scat and there's a userscript to filter it out based on tags. Seems to work well for everyone. Maybe there's a similar solution for Lemmy?
Same argument of the gore ban applies: https://feddit.it/comment/128064
The main problem with NSFL is that you should only find it if you're looking for it. I have noproblemi with it once better mod tools, instance or community options pop up with lemmy updates. As of now, I vote to ban it
Who are you to define what is nsfl. There are people in here arguing consensual non consent is nsfl. How long till furry or trans communities are banned too
I'm pretty sure it's not so hard to draw the line between NSFL and NSFW
Furry and trans porn it's definitely not on the same level of scat and gore
I'm glad that's how you feel, but for many in the us trans is worse than scat. For many in the middle east non straight is worse than scat.
We shouldn't let the majority dictate what fetishes are allowed niche ones will always lose (again outside of legality issues/concerns, or ones that actively hurt society (even if CP was legal it should be banned due to the damage it does to those affected)
Allow it. If I have to look at gay furry porn you fuckers can deal with scat.
As long as it stays on dedicated communities, I don't really care if it sticks around. I just block the community from showing up on my feed.
Not a fan of scat, but it's harmless to me so I'm in favor of allowing it but blocking it on my own.
someone explain to me how this is different from banning gay porn?
I wish there was a way to disable the local feed.
Can someone link the definition of NSFL? The one I'm familiar with would not cover this.
As a side note, I recognize that the limitations and immaturity of the tools/code will force us to make rules and exceptions we don't like. Even if it is banned, it should be revisited later when better capabilities are available
There's no real consensus on the full extent for what NSFL encapsulates. I think everyone agrees guro would fall under it, but not everyone would agree (as seen in this thread) on scat.
But here's definitions from wikitionary and the top one on ubran dictionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/NSFL
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NSFL
NSFL stands for Not Safe For Life. While NSFW covers things that are generally considered socially acceptable in private situations, but inappropriate for more public or formal situations, NSFL is for stuff that could be traumatizing or deeply disturbing, even in a private context.
Stuff like extreme violence or abuse can be more obvious examples of NSFL, but stuff like scat is more of a gray (well, gray-ish brown) area.
Ultimately, the issue is that this place needs a more sophisticated filtering system.
This should be entirely up to the people that have to moderate it, as they're the ones who are being forced to view the content
If people want to eat the poopoo, let them. It's none of my business.
Scat grosses me out immensely, but i don't think it should be banned if the content is consensual ie. No spycam restroom or forcing a person to do scat when they don't want to. I've already blocked subs i don't want to look at like traps and furries but i don't think they should be banned from the community
Would you guys federate with another instance hosting this sort of data if it gets banned?
What about a default block list?
You could make it an option on signup.
Ups did tn see you post/message before I sent mine. But this would be an awesome way to avoid for example the 3 P´s... Pee, Poo and Puke. And of course the list of boards should be broad so the user could check off the ones they enjoy and dont want banned from their view. Maybe the admins should make that list together or maybe a strawpole vote would work.
Keep the ban
Gods, please
Ban it. That's disgusting. They have other places they can go to. Weird porn will kill the federverse.