There's still room for improvement, but Linux gaming has come a long way in a short time.
I remember when Proton launched it was like magic playing games like Doom and Nier Automata straight from the Linux Steam client with excellent performance. I do not miss the days of having the Windows version of Steam installed separately.
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In the time I have been a Linux gamer, it has gone from "here is a list of games that work in Linux" to "here is a list of games that do not work in Linux." Which some dictionaries define as "progress."
That's a perfect way to put it. From constantly relying on ProtonDB to occasionally checking areweanticheatyet.com.
Oh I'd never even heard of that second site haha.
That's crazy! When I was last trying to run Linux full time in ~2014, you had WINE and then a commercial version of WINE (not by the WINE devs, but because WINE is licensed the way it is and is open source...) that would run a few more things, but I don't remember what it was called.
So glad to hear it's progressing this quickly and far.
That would be CrossOver by CodeWeavers. They're actually a huge contributor to upstream Wine and have worked with Valve (and I think Collabora?) several times over the past few years. I'm kind of tempted to buy a copy of CrossOver to support them even though I'd never use it, lol
I think that a good chunk of Apple's GPTK is based on the work that CodeWeavers have done, which has made me tempted to shell out for Crossover too. £60 is a fair old chunk just to play games on my Mac though.
That's right! That's what it was. Seemed like WINE with some pre-set tweaks per game, but they were clearly doing a lot more.
I started out in 2014, and pretty much what I did was look to see if there was a Steam logo on the Steam store page to indicate Linux compatibility. With Proton in the last few years, I just don't really worry about it. I will say my tastes have just about always lined up with the kinds of games, the kinds of studios, that are likely to publish for Linux, the nerd shit like Kerbal Space Program and Factorio. I don't play Call of Fifa, Modern Fortnite or whatever.
What about Red Theft Autoredemption, or Overwatch of Legends? 😆
In 2003, it was my dream to play FF7 in Linux. In 2019, my dream came true. Thanks Proton, Codeweavers, Wine, Valve, et al for helping me finally put down Sephiroth right.
There've been good PlayStation emulators in Linux since long before 2019.
Very true, but the graphics and performance aren't nearly as good as the PC version.
"Did Loki port it?", which was a very short list, plus a few exceptions like Quake.
Imagine a completely different OS running software made for your OS better than your actual OS could. This is Microsoft Windows
Not only OS - written using 3D APIs closed source available only for your OS.
Anticheat is about to force this progress backwards years as publishers push drm
As someone who really wants to see desktop Linux grow, I try not to think like this because I know others care about these games...but goddammit if I don't completely agree with you on the inside. I do not understand the obsession with these
gamesproducts, they're exclusively designed to keep you playing and paying for as long as possible to avoid fomo for digital garbage.There are a tiny handful of non-live service games that still use anti-cheat, and most of those have already enabled support for Proton. Dragon Ball FighterZ is literally the only exception that I can think of, and even that's playable offline IIRC.
Are we watching a "changing of the guard" where the studios that used to bring out the hits are dying, shedding their talent and new indie projects are blooming in the fallout? I remember Bioward being a fantastic studio during the Mass Effect (and prior) years. They're a shell of their former selves now. I see this happening with Bethesda now too, although Starfield is not that bad. It's just nowhere near as epic and fun as Skyrim was. Then you have studios like CDPR that seemed poised to take the crown with CP2077, and although it's a great game, they certainly fumbled hard at launch. It's an interesting time in the game industry.
Hey pro tip, if a game isn't nearly as epic and fun as one that was released like 12 years ago, then its OK to call it a bad game. Cuz that's certainly not good
To be honest, I think if I were to go back and try Skyrim now, I'd probably feel pretty similarly about it as to how I do about Starfield. I still enjoy gaming, but it doesn't enthrall me quite the same as it used to. Part of adulthood I suppose.
I would say the same, but only because the standards of current Gen games has definitely gone up since then. There just weren't games like Elden Ring and TotK around when Skyrim was released
Should I give TotK another chance? I just find the building mechanic very tedious, even with Autobuild. Is the storyline really worth it? I've gotten as far as beating the first four temples, if that helps.
It's not about the storyline at all. If you don't enjoy the mechanics, you won't enjoy the game. I'm in the same boat - I'd really like to like it, but I play games mainly to tell a story, BOTW and TOTK don't deliver on that front.
Try playing Yakuza
Indie Devs haven't even begun to fully leverage all the new tools offered by recent Blender / Unreal / Godot.
And AAA studios are too big to leverage them effectively.
I think we're going to see continuing leaps forward in workflow and tools, allowing smaller teams to make whatever they want at any scale. We're kind of already there honestly, it just about applying it all meaningfully.
I've recently picked up CP2077 again and let me tell you the experience is night and day. The gameplay is actually fun now and the story is also enjoyable since they got rid of the game breaking bugs. While the current version does not excuse the extremely subpar launch version I don't think CD Projekt Red deserves a spot on your list.
A company that definitely fits your criteria is Blizzard. All the people I know that worked there quit and a lot of them told me about a huge brain drain that was happening which judging by what we know about the code of Diablo 4 sounds reasonable. At this point the company only exists because of nostalgia and even the gamer dads are getting more and more frustrated with them.
I still have faith in CDPR, they had one excellent game, one that they fucked up a bit and few relatively unknown but overall good games.
You know, I really do too. I actually had a lot of fun with CP2077 when it came out, but had to quit on the last 1/3 of the game because of a permanent sound glitch. I am very excited to jump back in.
There’s yet to be a good major fps game from an indie studio. Once that happens maybe there’s a chance, but fps games make up a massive portion of the industry
Actually most anticheat now also supports Linux with Proton
True I just moved my gaming PC to Linux and wow!! Almost all of my games run on Linux. Thank you for everyone working so hard.
This is the main reason, other than gog's lack of support, for not going full Linux.
You can use a launcher like Heroic to play games you have on gog or epic.
Also Lutris. I haven't actually tried Heroic so I don't know how they compare, but Lutris is a pretty good launcher.
I buy mostly GOG games (like 90%) and with Heroic it's quite easy.
But it's not as good as simply using steam
Nope, not yet. But it's getting there. And at least for me it's worth it.
Also thank Valve and buy a Valve game.
Or a Steam Deck. :)
Honestly, if you have the extra money, buy it. It's just a great device.
And to say that there used to be a time when "Linux gaming" was an oxymoron as it at most meant SuperTuxKart or mindlessly watching
glxgears.Mindlessly watching glxgears is the greatest experience a GPU can render.
They're so smooth when you buy a high end graphics card.
Windows gamers will never understand the joy that
glxgearsgave usI remember when Linux gaming meant Nethack.
I mean, Nethack is still great...
Is there something like
vulkangearsnow?vkcubeexists in most repositories I guessEdit: Looks like there is a vkgears too
I know that the vulcan-tools package has
vkcubein it. Someone did make vulkangears as an example, along with some other examples, but I don't think its a published package in any distro repos so it'd need to be manually compiled to run it.Been playing Warcraft 3 / DotA and Counter-Strike on Linux since 2005. Still playing Dota and Counter-Strike. Are there other games worth playing? 😂
Windows too busy using those cpu cycles to gather your usage metrics for sale to third parties.
Somewhat true, but the truth is that the CPU scheduler on Windows is just awful. It literally wastes performance because it doesn't optimize instructions as efficiently as schedulers on other OSes.
Without going into details, we ported an application that I worked with that did complex scientific calculations to Linux. All the calculations code was done in C and C++ so it was 99.9% OS agnostic. We consistently got at least a 50% performance increase when running on Linux as opposed to Windows. We tested just about every edition of Windows from Windows 8/Server 2013 to Windows 10/Server 2019. The version of Windows that did best was Windows 7 and Linux was 50% faster. All the other editions were slower.
And the distro of Linux didn't matter much. A few percent difference here and there, but all of them were astonishingly faster than Windows.
The only similar issue I faced seemed to be due to multithreading. I don’t know enough about the underlying architecture to point my finger at a specific ‘thing’ but I was beating my head against the wall seeing the same 50% drop in performance. The one way I was able to get comparable performance was if I limited the cores on the machine to 1. Windows was only a couple percent slower in that case. When I upped the cores windows couldn’t keep up. The weird part is that the utilization in task manager looked like all the cores were being utilized but the performance certainly didn’t reflect that. I was finally able to get the program manager off my ass but how they handled the situation really soured me on staying with the company so I left, feel bad for the next person to get hit with “get this application off Linux so we can be a 100% windows client shop” garbage.
They contracted the companies developers at over 600k for six months of support, I was dedicated to the effort for a year, and the CIO apparently instructed a PM that nothing else mattered and if it didn’t work I was personally responsible. Like MFers, I didn’t design the hardware, operating system, or the application, I’m doing everything I know how, how exactly is this shit my fault?!
Surely Microsoft knows this.I guess that is why they have gaming mode.
Oh they do, but I don't know what the real reason it stays that way. The only things I could come up with is that they simply don't care, backwards compatibility (that one doesn't really make sense to me), or finally that they can't come up with a better version due to the mathematically good ones already exist in Unix and Linux systems under the GPL.
I'll be honest, I can't see that last reason stopping them, but who knows.
This article really shows the differences:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/POV-ray-on-Quad-Xeon-and-Opteron-579/
It's a bit old now, but the point still stands. I'm sure the schedulers across all systems have improved since, but it's a fact the Unix/Linux systems are still better and more efficient.
I remember using bare wine to play games before proton. You would have to go and find the exact libraries needed to run the game, install them one way or another, pray a bit, and maybe the game will run with acceptable fps. If it ran at all.
And these days its just plug and play. Dont remember the last time I had to install a game dependency with proton, from steam or otherwise.
Freaky to read your account. I switched to ubuntu desktop like 3 weeks ago, bought a gpu, installed steam (ok, I had to reinstall from apr since snap didn’t work well), 2 days ago I installed cyberpunk and it runs at 80 fps mostly high-ultra settings without one crash so far, no special boot parameters. (I had to edit the exe today so it wouldn’t force controller config though)
It’s insane how far linux has come in the last 5 yrs. I hope it goes on like this. In opposition to amd, linux actually is our friend. :)
@Haui @Dizzar wdym by in opossition to amd? As far as I know amd is better than nvidia. I recently built a new pc from ground and choose to use both amd cpu and gpu and I had 0 problems so far. Back when I had a nvidia gpu it used to cause more headaches by simply breaking once every few updates
I was wondering that too. As far as I know, when it comes to Linux, AMD and Intel are the way to go. Nvidia are the ones who generally tend to suck on linux (although I never had problems with my nvidia gpu, its pretty old tho)
In this case, you need to take my comment more literally.
AMD does a lot better than nvidia but amd still makes a lot of business decisions that are not consumer friendly. For example pricing their gpus a lot higher than they used to instead of more competitive to nvidia.
They do good but in opposition to open source, it is still a company and therefore not our „friend“. Open source in contrast is made by us, therefore undeniably more our friend.
It was a figure of speech, not meaning to dump on amd.
I remember back in the day I thought one of my favorite games, Elite: Dangerous, would never run on Linux. I dualbooted for a while just so I could play it. After a while I stopped playing it much and figured I could get rid of Windows, so I did. About a year later the community came out with a complicated setup you could perform to get it running on Linux through wine. It's just as you said, lots of manually finding and installing libraries, tweaking environments, and eventually got it working (jankily) at a pretty mediocre framerate. I thought that was the best I was going to get. Another two years and it was running seamlessly on proton with no configuration or tweaking at all. It really is incredible what Valve has done for Linux gaming.
most shit was literally click and play
I still remember installing the sims 3 on wine. This was before proton, before the sims 4. I started by looking the game up on winehq - the results were not promising. The rating was not exactly garbage, but still runs with problems. Some brave soul had come up with installation instructions though.
So I try to install the game using those instructions. Took me about 40 minutes of installing things like ms c++ runtimes. Then when I tried to run the game? Crash. Doesn't work. So I went back to WineHQ and found another instruction (luckily there were multiple ppl that made the game work)
After following it for another hour, the game still didnt work. After googling the error for some time im pretty sure I just downloaded some random dll that was missing from runtimes and put it with the game. Voila, the game ran! Laggy, but playable. Took only about 3 hours of research and tinkering.
Today? I'm pretty sure I can just download the game and it will run, just like that, no config required.
Valve literally went "you know what fuck the profits we need off Windows" and they did what nobody else has done before.
I'm not sure how Valve is seen to forfeit any Windows related profit.
They are still thoroughly supporting Windows. A Windows gaming system will have Steam on it, and most gamers still prefer Steam while on Windows.
When Windows 8 happened with the Microsoft store, Valve saw the writing on the wall for the eventual problems they would face, and did SteamOs and SteamBoxes. However, not much skin off their back, as they didn't "bet the company" or anything. It then pretty much let those efforts die off when the Microsoft Store wasn't quite the imminent existential threat it looked to be. However, the Xbox-ification of the Windows ecosystem may prove to be a more imminent and dire threat now that Microsoft realized that "hey, we actually do have a gaming brand that enjoys some popularity and is basically just a Windows box already".
So Valve saw that the Nintendo Switch was such a hit and extrapolated to PC space. They could have had a horribly awkward device running Windows, which has forever sucked at serving this form factor and is not even vaguely amenable to 'total controller control'. However they decided to revive the SteamOS efforts since it was moderately close to enable them to actually deliver a pad-first UI for a handheld, with Valve branding front and center rather than Microsoft.
So the closest I can see to that claim is that Steam Deck opted out of supporting a handful of games (that also likely don't work well on the relatively low end specs anyway) rather than trying to make a Windows hand-held work against all the design points of Windows.
I think the implication is that pursuing Linux development has a high opportunity cost, that, if they just bought into Windows as the foundation, they could've used that time to build HL3 or whatever
It's reinventing the wheel, kinda
Then you'd have a windows based steam deck. Valve got themselves into the mobile market by doing this. I imagine the Linux ecosystem will prove better for continuing mobile gaming in the long run.
Also, there are multiple scripts for HL3 and Portal3. They have all been rejected, considered not up to par as a third game in each series.
What profits did Valve say that to exactly? They were shipping a device that didn’t have an existing OS that worked for it. I know companies have been shipping handheld PCs since the 90s but they never took off because the experience of Windows on a mobile device sucks, full stop.
I’m very happy they did this and it will help lots of things, but it’s about as altruistic as Apple making WebKit open source. A massive boon to the community that did help everyone, but the goal wasn’t altruism. It was to create a software solution where one didn’t exist to improve a for-profit device.
Plus, not having to pay Microsoft for OEM Windows licenses helps too.
You are looking too short term. Valve has been very concerned about Microsoft for a long time (maybe a decade now?). They have traditionally been dependent on the Windows platform while Microsoft has a competing built-in store and the Xbox product line. This means that they are dependent on one of their biggest competitors. If Microsoft wasn't concerned about anti-competitive legal action they probably would have smited them already.
Especially with macOS dying for gaming and iOS having no third-party stores they have made multiple pushes into Linux as a platform where they don't depend on Microsoft. While the Steam Deck has been very successful, they have already blown money of failed attempts in the past and running Windows on the Steam Deck would likely not be a huge cost (bulk licenses are cheap and they are spending a lot of money on Linux development).
So whether or not they are making more or less money in the short term doesn't appear to be Valve's motivation. Their primary motivation is to unlock themselves from Microsoft, whether or not that is best for profits right now.
being on the hook for any license fees cuts into yacht decor. linux sets them free except required source releases. everyone benefits
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Compiling_under_Linux
plus, more yacht decor
I agree but I don’t think that contradicts anything I said. This is definitely a long term plan to end up with a gaming focused OS that people can use instead of Windows to reduce their reliance on MIcrosoft. It’s definitely a long term decision.
However in the short term, a Steam Deck with Windows would have been far less exciting. Developing WebKit also was clearly a plan for a much better web landscape too and cost far more than Safari ever generated until it was in iOS.
I only take issue with this being cast as some altruistic act, which it isn’t. It’s just one of those situations where the goals of the community and the company align, because the company is very focused on delivering a good user experience above all else. This is a great move for everyone involved and Valve deserves praise for that. But that’s no reason to be naive to how this greatly benefits them.
Imagine how much else humanity could do if they said that. Even just once more, fuck the profits, let's give people a 4 day work week with 6 hours per day.
Yeah until you find a game which doesn't run only because of its dogshit Anti Cheat System Service.
Fuck anti-cheat, the bane of gamers everywhere.
I think they're a necessary evil, nothing ruins multiplayer more than cheats.
Then multiplayer should be its own app. Making a whole single-player game unplayable just so you can push anticheat cruft into everything.
Punkbuster, VAC and EAC support Linux now.
It's the truly invasive anti cheats like Vanguard, GameGuard, etc that won't run.
Proton has better 32 bit compatibility than windows itself
Proton literally got me into PC gaming again. I switched to Linux in 2008, and stopped playing PC games. For a decade, I missed so much. Valve is awesome!
i mean that was your choice i was playing Wow on linux in like 2008
If I as an older person would like to start using linux, where would you recommend to start? Is there an easy guide I can follow on how to use linux?
Linux Mint is often touted as the most similar looking GUI to windows, so if you want Linux, but looking like windows that might be your best bet. You will find many guides for how to install Linux. If you want to just try it out first (and not just overwrite windows), you'll need to free up some disk space and create an empty partition to install Linux on.
Linux mint is just nice to deal with. I distro-hopped to see what was out there but I came back to mint. It plays my games and runs my AI and works with whatever old garbage i plug in without needing to download shifty drivers from a shifty site like with windows.
Honestly, your question will get a ton of different answers because it's so open to people's preferences. It's like asking "I want to start using a car, which one should I buy?" There will be so many different answers that it's practically useless, from people recommending a toyota aygo since it's cheap, easy and reliable to people recommending a Abrams tank "because it can handle everything".
imo, try Linux Mint or Ubuntu since they are accessable and bring most software out of the box. But it's up to you, you cannot really lose when picking a distro.
I'll recommend NobaraOS. It comes with everything set up out-of-the box and you can change interface to Windows or macOS style.
DO NOT SWITCH, until you've found that every software you use has a Linux version... Or an alternative which works on Linux as well as for you.
ALSO DO NOT SWITCH if you have the 30 or 40 series NVIDIA cards. Or any NVIDIA card for that matter.
YouTube channel recommendations - The Linux Experiment, Tech Hut, Gardiner Bryant (old videos, he just makes Steam Deck content now)
Why? I've got a 3060, and it's running perfectly under Mint. It's worked on the half a dozen or so other distros I've live booted too.
If I had to guess OP is probably talking about DLSS 3+ which is not supported on Linux at the moment. And what other reason is there to buy an Nvidia 30 or 40 series card if not for that?
Anything that uses CUDA for a start
I had issues with my 4060 on the latest mint, but everything worked fine on Ubuntu 23.04. Everything can be fixed but Ubuntu worked out of the box.
Linux Mint or wait for SteamOS
good luck with that
As noob, who is not interested in learning the core of linux, but only want it to just work, I would recommend the new openSuse slowroll (based on own experience with tumbleweed which should in theory be less stable than slowroll) and for apps I recommend going for flathubs. I’m not sure if slowroll already released.
If you go down this route, even as a noob, whatever tech issues you may run into, it will likely be easier to find command line interface [CLI] solutions that you can copy and paste into your terminal aka console.
I know it seems extra and harder because it looks like something a hacker would do. But telling someone where to click a mouse over and over again is so much harder than "copy this into a terminal app, and send back the output"
As a fellow older gamer who is also technical, I'm using Fedora with KDE, and I install the Steam client and the Bottles app for non-Steam games.
If you're not technical, then I would suggest something like Linux Mint or Ubuntu, but KDE gives you the closest experience to a Windows desktop regardless of which version of Linux you're using (vs Gnome).
But as others have said, it doesn't really matter (for the most part) which version of Linux you use, it really comes down to using Steam and Bottles for the game support.
I'm just sad I have an Nvidia GPU 😢
Same. Luckily it's gtx980 so it's not I bought it recently. Next gpu shall be amd
I've got a GTX980ti, which runs fine with my POP_OS setup, but I'll be switching to AMD for my next GPU as well. If for no other reason than to not support Nvidia.
What is wrong with Nvidia gpus with regard to Linux? I have no issues with mine.
It's trouble is in that it severely lacks features that it have on Windows, especially newest popular stream add-ons like voice and background blurring, troubles with Ray tracing and dlss, and most infamous problem is that Nvidia drivers absolutely would break your system updates eventually, and it can break your whole system Edit: source: i have laptop with Nvidia gpu
The nvidia drivers can be a pain, and some distributions don't care about nVidia's support schedule and push a kernel update and nVidia will no longer compile.
Also, the fact that a kernel update means the nvidia driver must recompile is a pain.
I'm holding out hope for the open drivers (they basically moved all the proprietary bits to run on the GPU) to eventually mean that the premiere nVidia experience is already integrated at some point in the future.
Oooooor you can use in-tree nvidia driver
I'd rather shit in my hands and clap for entertainment
Nouveau? I've not exactly had a very reliable experience, and as far as I can see Nvidia doesn't really help to ensure that works in a timely way or a reliable way.
Lack of open source drivers and junk support from Nvidia.
Pardon?
I'm talking about the nvidia drivers themselves, not some hacked together drivers by a third party that barely work.
I talk not about hacked together drivers(GPL-shim) by a third party(Nvidia) that barely works too
Nouveau drivers are not made by Nvida? What are you even talking about? They are third party drivers that are not even fully functional because Nvida will not open source their own drivers for linux.
I am saying that Nvidia here is third party. Nvidia is not kernel developer.
Because Nvidia is a bunch of dicks.
I'm using an Nvidia GPU on my POP!_OS Gaming PC it runs mostly without issue. The few times there has been driver problems, there's been an easy fix on System76's homepage soon after
I still remember having to use Ubuntu back in 2007.
To cut a long story short, I used to have a crappy Packard Bell PC that was weirdly partitioned (the main C:\ partition named Programs had 20GB and D:\ named Data had 120GB allocated.)
A (obviously now former) friend at school who thought he was hot-shit with PCs nagged and pressured me into acquiring a copy of Norton PartitionMagic and merging the two partitions. Completely totalled the Windows XP installation and because I didn't have any recovery media, I was forced to wipe everything and install Linux.
Gaming on Ubuntu back in 2007 was a nightmare. Only thing I managed to run that wasn't some shitty FOSS game that looked like it was made for the Net Yaroze was WoW, and even then actually installing the damn game was a nightmare where I had to resort to literally copying files from each install CD because actually running the installer from the CD itself resulted in failure by Disc 3. Every other game I tried to run through Wine either refused to boot at all, had bugs that would soft-lock my PC, or put out 0.01 frames per second due to lack of OpenGL support.
Linux has evolved by leaps and bounds but still has some way to go before you could use it as a gaming OS. Hopefully the Steam Deck encourages more developers to support Linux.
Of course, some devs have turned their back on Linux, such as post-Fortnite Epic Games.
maybe a nitpick, but I think it's more accurate to say it has some way to go before everyone could use it as a gaming OS. many many people can use it as is right now. All the games I play work great on Linux so far, I removed windows from my gaming PC months ago.
if you're already into Linux and you don't care about competitive games with anti cheat, then Linux is ready to be your gaming OS right now imo
Yup. I've played everything I've wanted to play on Linux with only one minor stumble getting ea launcher to work, and it was literally just selecting a different version of proton than I had as default.
It amazes me how many people come to the Linux communities on lemmy just to tell people that Linux isn't good enough and we have to still use windows...
People, or "People"?
Between the Steam client and the Bottles app (for games not on Steam) I play every game I ever wanted to on Linux. I don't even have a dual boot setup anymore.
I've overall had a decent experience playing games on my Steam Deck. A lot of incompatible games but the ones that not only do work but are verified have shocked me greatly.
Valve have single handedly evolved Linux gaming by leaps and bounds.
Friends don't have friends use Norton or McAfee software.
Windows will die if it cannot be pirated.
Ah, good times.
I was going to say this feels like supertuxkart slander, but I looked up the release date and realised that it probably wasn't released yet
Was more Tux Racer slander than anything else.
Also, Frets on Fire, which was a much shittier attempt at creating a freeware clone of Guitar Hero. Thankfully Clone Hero came out over a decade later.
Short time? Proton is built around Wine, which is 30 years old. 30 years is not a short time.
Remember the wine days where proton didn't exist? Barely any game was playable.
We got from unplayable to "download and play" within 5 years
Or you went from hell and back trying to install all the dependencies with winetricks
Warcraft 3 worked better then on win. At that time more then half of games worked (newest aaa-est usually had problems). Just before proton almost all games worked (with some winetricks black magic). Valve did help, but there's more to the story.
I had the opposite experience. WarCraft III would frequently soft lock my PC forcing a reboot, plus you couldn't use the mouse to move the camera because the game couldn't detect the mouse going to the screen edge, forcing you to use the arrow keys.
Some versions of Wine also wouldn't allow you to connect to Bnet, requiring a rollback to a previous version from months prior.
I put -opengl on the end of it and it worked great. Wasn't on release, but later when dota was popular.
Of course I would've forced OpenGL. DXVK didn't exist at the time and DirectX 8 or 9 games were unplayably laggy back in 2007. Apparently you could run DirectX apps with near-native performance by sourcing the necessary Windows DLL's but that would involve piracy?
bullshit, you are either young or you got bad memory
Don't you people have something better to do than unironically doing the ackchyually meme? Follow the fucking post and its fucking intent, you fucking internet weirdos. You're not as smart as you think you are.
Steam Deck is the main reason for this and reasonable WINE emulation of DirectX & other APIs.
I bet the experience outside of Steam Deck depends a lot on the dist, the graphics drivers & card and someone's personal knowledge & willingness to screw around making everything work. Drivers are the biggest issue by far - open source drivers tend to be more limited, while binary drivers tend to be quite fragile, e.g. breaking after a kernel update & requiring reinstallation.
It's easier than you think. You can just download an exe, point lutris/steam to it (ie, just paste the path into the gui), and run the game. I have yet to find a game that doesn't work. Troubleshooting is rare, and in my experience only involves changing proton versions. I have never had to mess with drivers, aside from initial installation when I installed the OS.
And thank you for telling everyone what GPU you are using. Most mainstream GPU manufacturers support open-source drivers(AMD, Intel) and for some of them open-source dricers are the only option(Intel).
In my experience, it's been about the same. Then again, I also use an Arch based distro on my desktop, but I dunno, even when I distrohopped a lot and used other distros and hadn't replaced some of my specs, gaming wasn't a pain to setup or do in general unless it was something that specifically didn't work with Linux (maybe modding was hard at first, but once I found out what worked for me, I was golden).
Good, ditching windows entirely is in my near future.
Finally did it a few days ago. Not only gaming (and emulation in general) is more fluid, but the sheer amount of customization available makes me never want to go back to Windows.
Hmm, I'm a big Apex player myself on Linux, Nobara. Almost no issues for over a year now. What version of Proton are you using?
Ah, I actually had a similar issue a while ago. It requires me to do the same verification fix too.
The steam deck inspired me to finally ditch Windows for good. I have dealt with it for the past 15+ years professional and I grew so damn tired of it. Built myself a nice little gaming PC running pop is and I'm quite pleased!
Mac as a laptop, steamdeck for gaming. There is a Win 11 VM on my unraid server for the occasional poke at something but I can't say I miss windows in any way....
Same on the laptop and Unraid server actually, lol. But I don't run any VMs on it at all. Hardware is a bit old so I don't know how much it could run effectively.
This week I decided to try dual booting with OpenSuse again and see how much I still need Windows for gaming. Turns out: not much. For VR. And maybe for Game Pass games if cloud gaming turns out to be crap and I cannot get a VM performant enough for games.
All in all, very pleasing experience.
I also decided to dual boot Linux when I did a fresh Windows install this past weekend.
Because I hate myself I'm running Arch, but I was able to get Apex running well enough without too much fucking around. Problem is, I haven't been able to get OBS capture to run nearly as well as I can on Windows. I record at 1440/90 with high bitrate, and I haven't been able to get that working on Linux yet.
I really wanna jump full-on into Linux now and try living without windows, but sometimes I just need things to work without having to try 4 differently compiled versions of a program, and I don't know if I can get all my games running (Halo Infinite is giving me issues, if anyone has proton tips).
I've gradually gone from being peeved at Proton for not being able to support certain brands of anti-cheat, to actively avoiding games with anti-cheat solutions that are fundamentally incompatible with Proton.
linux games, always reminds me of Tux Racer when I finally got X11 config right. https://www.google.com/search?q=tux+racer
Anyone still remember when this came out?
God I feel old now.
was 30 something about then invading a windows-centric IT dept. they feared linux as it replaced all their basic services. email, file servers, DB2 servers, online courseware...
ew i spot a google
it's the url. did the internet declare a boycott or wha.
For some reason people really hate Google. Some may have valid reasons, some may not, some may just dislike their results. Most just hate Google because it's the "cool" thing to do. Ignore the idiots and use what search engine you like.
If you hate google but still want to use it there are search engines that query google and scrape its data for you without google servers ever touching your connection. SearXNG instances are my favorite as they are open source, decentralized, has bangs like duckduckgo, is highly customizable, and self-hostable. paulgo.io is a good searxng instance for most queries, and if you really need google just put !!g in the query. Otherwise startpage.com scrapes google but they're starting to go hard on the ads.
If you're serious about the Internet you'll just ping icann and get the indexes directly, search the content, and use the results. You casuals might still use Google but I've built my own engine, and it literally only takes a few hours to get a search result.
Also, that person calls themselves royalty in training so if the issue is Google's hegemony then I feel like there might be some cognitive dissonance.
Still can't run MS Office well /s
The fact that there's a competitive Excel scene makes this comment infinitely funnier to me.
Yeah, it's crazy and pretty interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qfDq5dlp2o4
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.youtube.com/live/qfDq5dlp2o4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Wait why only the href changed and not the text?
Crazy. Never heard of it till now.
I hope it never will. Genuinely.
But there is no good drop in replacement.
I had faced all sorts of issues with compatibility of files while using LibreOffice. And LibreOffice looks ugly. OnlyOffice doesn't support doc/xls/ppt files afaik.
LibreOffice Writer follows Open Document Format, unlike MS Office Word. This is intentional by MS, because they have significant market share. So, any broken files is "because of LibreOffice", even though the inverse is true.
So, I consider Office Word to be a dangerous and harmful product, and I'm glad that it isn't available on Linux/Wine. It just isn't good, and LibreOffice works for 99.9% of what people use that kind of software for.
But sadly 99% of people use this broken version of software.
True. Governments and respective institutions should however not. Some countries understand this. Other have had their ISO standard committees bought out by MS in more than shady circumstances. I remember when this was discussed in Norway. Everyone in the panel concluded to use ODF. They were ignored. They all resigned.
Yeah. Classic corporate bulldozing everything!
For real, though, I really wish I could easily run Office with Bottles or something like that. Never managed to make it work
I never thought we'd see MS Office on Linux, and then they released Outlook for Android.
They have their Entire suite on Android. They just hate Linux
AFAIK Doom runs natively
How is mod support on linux for games? Does it work as usual via Proton?
Absolutely! I play mainly two games. DayZ and Eve Online. Both run way faster on my Debian 12 rig compared to running on Windows 11.
Granted, it took a while to figure out how to self-sign the Nvidia driver (secure boot). But once that was sorted it was smooth sailing.
Honest question: if you’re not a Steam user, what does Proton do that wine doesn’t just as easily? I’ve played games in wine prefixes for years now, but haven’t bothered with Proton or PlayOnLinux or any of the other wine front ends. Are they worth it?
Not only it works very often but one can even check https://www.protondb.com before buying to make sure it does work. It also works for VR games. I recently tried a brand new game, supposedly "Windows only", and it worked without any tinkering. I then updated ProtonDB to clarify so that others could play too. It's simple I didn't boot on Windows to play for years now. I'm also traveling today and instead of bringing a laptop I bring my SteamDeck to play, to work I'll also bring a BT keyboard.
TL;DR: it works, even with VR, and ProtonDB can help to identify problems
I think this may well be the thing that, at long last, eventually leads to the end of the Windows hegemony on PC. Linux compatibility being a prerequisite for running on the default configuration of the Steam Deck. Gaming is the Microsoft OS's last real stronghold.
Nah. Windows biggest customer is the corporate world. Windows is everywhere. Gaming isn’t much of a factor, especially when the majority of gamers are console players.
Corporations want boring basic machines at low cost. It's gaming that drove and drives new hardware development regardless of if its consoles or PC.
False.
Sorry but Windows does have real strong arm in the corporate world.
First, those boomers do not want to learn Linux. It is a fact. They adopt newer Windows faster and do not even glance at anything else.
Second, corporate networks are tied closely with AD and Microsoft's ecosystem (Office, cloud etc). Microsoft are selling those licenses like crazy.
Third, there is a reason why we hear rumors of Cloud Windows (365), that is for corporate uses.
Actually they usually don't give a flying F about the OS, they care about the apps they used to get their jobs done. They care about Outlook, Word, Excel, etc.
Also, as someone who just finished 35 years in corporate America, I've done retraining of older employees at many multiple companies plenty of times, so your Ageist assumption is not correct.
And finally, again, I was just commenting about hardware sales and how gaming drives that, and how an OS rides piggyback on top of the hardware sales.
Microsoft makes their money off licenses. They don’t care about hardware, especially gaming hardware.
MS makes their money off selling site licenses to corporations. That’s their bread and butter. Gaming will not offset this.
Yes, but the discussion wasn't about how Microsoft makes its money, it was about how important gaming was to promoting one OS over another, via hardware sales...
And I would argue gaming is a big part of that, which is what my original reply was about.
I... sort of agree? But also, kids game. Which means (part of) a generation could grow up using Linux systems to game, which makes Linux more palatable to businesses looking to hire those kids. I'm not sure how big a factor that might turn out to be.
Mine are learning more Linux than Windows. They really only use Windows for Office, and only then when Office Online absolutely won’t cut it.
Their laptops dual-boot, but flipping over to Windows is happening so rarely these days (school changed some things around) that I may just have them on Linux going forward.
Bonus round, it’s much easier on them for computer science classes.
Linux’s biggest customer is the corporate world
For entirely different use cases. The corporate world loves Linux for servers, but exceedingly few will use it for workstations, and generally only for developers even then
Not big enough
I'm still waiting for games to release on Linux with good compatibility, I hope that's the case since the steam deck has been out for a bit. Unfortunately every Linux native game I've tried so far has had some issues that were resolved switching to wine
Unfortunately Easy Anti Cheat doesn't agree with your allegations.
Who do we thank for this? Steam or who is behind making proton viable? I guess they have donated a bunch of money for this.
I think codeweaver are also involved.
Wine developers. Yes, Valve/Proton has given it a big boost in the last few years but the Wine project has been under steady development for 30 years, almost as long as Linux itself. I remember trying it for the first time back in the day and being amazed that it could run Minesweeper.
Wine
I switched to Linux on my gaming PC about five or six years ago and tried a couple of different distros. Manjaro was the first one that worked really well for me, and I played through the original RAGE and Mass Effect using that setup, but for the last couple of years I've used POP!_OS, after Manjaro broke a couple of times. I'm never going back to Windows, mostly thanks to Proton. Even Elder Scrolls Online works really well using Proton.
I switched from Windows to Pop! OS, definitely pleasant.
I've used Ubuntu on many occasions but tried PopOS since last week.
It's surprisingly good. Lots of ergonomics over Ubuntu. They have a version of the iso prepackaged with Nividia drivers.
Most surprisingly, after some install busted my sound devices (they stopped showing up), I discovered PopOS has a system refresh button that saves your home directory but reinstalls the OS to a fresh state. Very convenient.
Our last windows System bluescreened on us for good....
We' ve now setup our gaming rig with Garuda Linux and Proton and couldn't be happier!
Baldurs Gate 3 runs flawlessly on highest details. It. Is. Great.
And I honestly love valve for taking wine which is an impressive project on it's own and making it even better.
I tried Valheim on Pop OS an it ran better than on windows (where it crashes all the time).
I've ran the Linux native Valheim client for 100+ hours on my Kubuntu install and had zero issues with the game.
I daily Pop OS, it's overall pretty good. Drivers are super easy to deal with, and the Pop Shop has a lot of game-related apps ready to install. Biggest headache is that sometimes my Mic just won't work and I have to reboot. That, and steam does Vulkan Shader Compilation on every game launch it seems, which can be a pain
I have to stick to windows only because of VR, once performance and UX improves I will nuke windows out of my PC but I still absolutely love linux, been hopping around distros like a madman almost 2 years ago until I settled on arch, couldn't leave the damn thing.
Hi, I used a Linux PC 10 years ago and have been waffling on getting a Linux build now that Windows is essentially started coming with pre-packaged adware and Spyware. What's Proton?
There is a software called "wine" that is used for running windows apps on linux. Proton is a version of Wine that specializes in running video games.
Okay I can definitely back up the second claim. World of Warships, a DirectX only game, runs and loads better on Linux with Proton. I tested both on SSD and HDD, and in both scenarios the game runs at a higher FPS and loads faster. I legitimately have no idea why.
I originally tested on HDD and guessed that ext4 was just much better with the IO speeds because NTFS would fragment like hell. But then it also was the same with an SSD and now I'm not sure.
And now I heard that official client of Genshin Impact was fully compatible with Proton at that time.
I prefer the unofficial client as it also allows you to mod the game to run at 120FPS.
Genshin being paid by Apple to withhold 120 FPS from other devices (and controller support from other mobile devices), plus their invasive anti-cheat, plus the fact that Mihoyo is a Chinese company (which makes the aforementioned anti-cheat even more scary to touch) makes me not want to touch the game with a ten-mile pole.
That's the neat part. You don't install the anti-cheat with the custom client. That's why you can also mod the game to run at 120FPS
Couldyou link
Search for "Anime game launcher" on Github
Mfw Guild Wars 2 ran like absolute ass on my Windows computer, and then I installed proton and it was smooth like butter.
I feel like the boss casually droping i'm gaming from linux and some people being like what how ?
The only think keeping me from wiping Windows from my machine is Ubisoft anthicheat lol
Does Linux have solitaire support?
Yes. Some distros even have airselot (I think that's how it's spelled) installed out of the box
It's spelled "aisleriot".
KPatience is my goto
Still waiting on Borderlands 2 to be playable
Same here, Proton really changed the experience on Linux, and on the side I’ve been trying things like https://jennys-mods.com/ for variety.
I also remember that “magical” moment — Proton really took away the pain of dual-booting and separate Steam for Windows. Doom/Nier run like a charm, and now it's increasingly a case of “install and play.”
A couple of life hacks, if they come in handy:
In the game properties, try Proton Experimental or Proton-GE — it often fixes finicky titles.
Check ProtonDB before installing, there are working launch parameters there.
For comfort: shader pre-caching, FSR/Gamescope, MangoHUD (fps/frametime).
If you run into anti-cheat issues, check if the game has support enabled; many already have it built in.
I also tried https://www.jenny-mods.net/ and was pleasantly surprised.
Linux gaming is now truly “plug and play,” and it's awesome.
Cool could this be an engine that would allow someone using DamnSmallLinux to get better frame rates?
Proton is not an engine, it's a compatibility layer and thus would decrease performance compared to native. However, sometimes it's still faster on Linux because it has less overhead.
King Torvalds would be so proud.
It hurts my soul to see windows simps say the only reason they won't transition to linux is because 'GaMes!' Like every game i've played with proton on linux mint has run perfectly smooth for years now, even before the deckening. If you're willing to be cucked by microsoft because one or two games you play is a competative shooty that uses a garbage anticheat (cough rainbow6siege cough) even though every other game in your library works just fine, you deserve what you get.
I'm that guy.
Unfortunately, Siege and MW2 are the only two games that a large segment of my friend group plays.
And also no alternative for Visual Studio (especially WPF and Xamarin)
Thankfully both of those games are crossplay. Anything that requires anti cheat seems to have crossplay oddly enough so I just play those on my ps5 or Xbox series s. My Xbox is the only Windows based device I use. Haven't touched Windows 11 in months.
Good point, for most people at least.
Although for me specifically, with the kind of work I do, it's not really an option.
Jetbrains Rider
I do like rider, but I'm most comfortable building GUIs in WPF, and VS has a great drag-and-drop interface for that.
Unfortunately, I don't have free time like I used to, so learning a new framework that's cross platform like Avalonia has been slow.
What do you mean no alternative to VS? There are many IDEs on Linux. What does VS do that nothing else can?
It has a very good GUI for building WPF and Avalonia interfaces drag-and-drop style.
Although it's been a while since I used rider, maybe it has it too. I should probably check it out again.
But my main reason for staying on windows is still those damn anticheat software for some games my friend group play.
To be fair though, windows is doing everything in its power to push me towards dual booting again.
I just have separate PCs but similar situation, and I've been a linux sysadmin for over a decade. A lot of games work fine on linux, but when you get in to things like specialty peripherals and mods/addons things can get messy. Desktop running Windows Enterprise (with so much disabled) for audio production and games, laptop running debain for everything else, and all my servers are debian or raspberry pi devices.
I feel like a lot of people don't know you can, or know how to, disable most of the shitty Windows features and addons. There's all kinds of automated scripts for it like "Reclaim Windows" but you can basically turn a lot of this stuff off through powershell. Most people are running Windows like a user and not like an admin.
Yeah, windows is still the best (or at least the most compatible) for games, but all my servers use linux too. I played around with windows server a bit, but it's no contest.
Thankfully, with WSL you can do a lot (but not all) of the stuff I love linux for.
I mean I even automated the backup of my windows PC with WSL, and it works great.
GUI builder.
Games and audio production. I'm the only one in my linux sysadmin group that still keeps a Windows SSD for booting games and for media creation, I'm also the only one who doesn't suddenly have games break because an update had conflicting library dependencies or something, or a mod broke the game. I also don't have to spend hours combing through debug logs to find out why the game and mods that worked for years suddenly crashes on launch. So instead I can sit there and game while they fix their linux games. We only really have a lan party once a year so Windows SSD + Steam and old game installers makes it thoughtless. Someone running linux for their games inevitably has had to sit out the lan party, or spends the whole time trying to get whatever game working, that for some reason only isn't working for them and works for everyone else.
Basically linux is quite good for gaming, enough that linux bros can feel assured in superiority, however in practice every time I've done a LAN with 10-20 linux sysadmins and we all try to use linux, it's never gone smoothly for everyone. I actually maintain my previous laptops as Windows machines for this case, just so we can help a linux gamer get in on the games when their games break.
The main challenge with linux compatibility, is the variety and inconsistency of linux systems, it's strength can be it's weakness. It used to be Windows GPU drivers that were the bane of gamers back in the 00s-early10s, now it's trying to coax a meaningful error log out of a game that just crashes for no apparent reason on linux out of the blue.
Im kind of that guy. I use Windows solely to run Arma 3 and have it up to date.
I run Arma 3 on Mint just fine.
Isnt Arma 3 Linux on a different game version then Arma 3 Windows?
Not sure, was tunning the windows version through proton.
Games, music, photography are all still legitimate use cases.
I pretty much exclusively play anticheat games and have 0 interest in single player games. I’d quit gaming overall because I’m simply not interested in playing the type of games that end up working on Linux.
Cope harder, if I want to play a game, I only need to install it and play.
Oof someones salty! Enjoy your next forced windows update and being constantly spied on. But hey, at least you can mindlessly install and play all teh games without being inconvenienced.
Imagine being so deep in the bullshit, that a good user experience is seen as bad.
Serious question: how do nvidia drivers perform on Linux? I've heard they're not very good and missing features. Anything I should know about? I have an RTX 3060ti that I use for both games and stuff like blender, substance designer/painter, etc.
For Blender, Nvidia is currently the only way to go on Linux. Cycles is horribly slow on my 6750XT, and Eevee shaders take way too long to compile on Mesa (although version 23.3 should include a patch to fix that).
In my experience, not great. I have a 1080ti and run 2k ultrawide. A bit dated but still a pretty powerful card. Some games weren't too noticably different but on cyberpunk for instance I took a huge performance hit and had to adjust my game to look basically terrible to get it playable compared to windows. I think I did this by setting superfx to performance.
I have to say though, I am running a pretty old processor (barely meets win11 spec) so that could be contributing to my issues.
Thanks! I've been looking harder at Linux, but the thing that's holding me back is that I'm not sure how well the modeling and texturing tools I use will run on Linux and dual booting is a headache.
Have you ever tried running windows in a vm, and if so, how well does it run? Only reason why I'm considering this is because I've heard some vm tools can do hardware passthrough to significantly increase vm performance. If the stuff I need to run works on Windows in a vm, then I might do that.
Edit: you might check cyberpunk again, I've heard the new update currently has it performing significantly better on Linux than in Windows.
Sorry for the late reply, I have tried running windows in a VM and it kinda worked. Big pain was forwarding peripherals, I ended up having to use a ghetto KVM switch setup to get it working at the time. Hardware passthru can work well, but was a huge pain to get working right. Once its working though you get pretty damn close to bare-metal performance. Haven't tried that in years tho cuz all my friends made fun of me for being so masochistic lol
I'll have to try again soon. Honestly thinking of downsizing and seeing if I could possibility use my steam deck with a dock to play some desktop games that aren't too crazy.
Ey! No problem. Thanks for the info, I might check it out this week or something. One of my biggest concerns is mainly with weird drm schemes or niche games not playing nice with compatibility layers. That said, I've heard some drm can tell when it's in a VM, but I'd hope that hardware passthrough would be able to fool it. Not sure I'd be running anything that could tell the difference though.
I think most anti-cheat won't care a lot, especially with a lot of them actually supporting proton now. Off the top of my head tho I could guarantee that Valorant anti-cheat probably would not work or you would eventually get banned. Their shit runs like a rootkit basically
Iam using a Laptop with a thunderbolt connected gtx1070. Does someone have experience or tips using linux and gaming with a setup like that. That and (solidworks) are the last reasons i didn't switch already.
Thunderbolt support in Linux is shit. I tried similar (but with an AMD card) and it was problem after problem when it came to the Thunderbolt stuff.
Thats sad to hear.
It really is. I want to use a laptop and dock with a good GPU to keep costs/power, etc down but damn its hard on Linux to do so.
because @clegko mentions shit support :( , maybe look at the framework laptop for your next upgrade? they are doing some stuff with replaceable parts, and the newest one even swappable gpu's.
Sadly my current laptop is kinda new (half a year) and I searched way to long, because I have a weird taste. (I am used to hardware mouse buttons, so thinkpads are mostly the only option. I also dislike the odd haptic gummy feeling of premium thinkpads, which only some models don't have (for example T490s, T14sG1 and G2) or the Yoga X1 series which is aluminum, which I gladly found a nice deal of the 2019 model.
This search went on for about a year. :O
It's an important milestone as it's the only effective way to make PC gaming available on operating systems other than Windows (i.e., reduce one of the Windows monopolies). Still, Linux gamers shouldn't take it too far. I'd advise everyone to still not support game studios which are openly hostile towards Linux gamers. This especially includes the ones who rely on client-side anticheat tools and then use those to block Linux gamers even though the game would run perfectly fine on Linux as well. Please do not support such games or studios (e.g.: Epic Games, EA, Bungie, Riot). Thanks to Proton, there is still a massive number of Windows games that can be played instead.
in my case pretty much all heavy games work much better on Linux than on windows(laptop came with windows, so tested before putting Linux on it and then compared). in many cases I get around 1.5 to 2 times the performance, stability is also much greater, this is both for new and old games. that said I tend to avoid those games with insane mallware(drm) in it.
system uses a apu and has only 16gb ram and 1.5tb nvme ssd. so might also be it has a much bigger effects on APU since Linux handles ram much better. but if a system suffers from other similar bottlenecks like: storage, ram, compute, TDP and thermal, etc. problems should also result in much better performance when switching to Linux. I guess the only exception would be if the GPU compute power would litterally 100% be the only bottleneck, or close to that, but in a APU(where one might assume games to be heavily bottlenecked by GPU compute power) GNU+Linux gives much better performance.
also this was tested on Garuda Linux KDE Dragonized edition, and changed the kernel to a newer one since by default it will use a kernel optimized or first gen ryzen. which gives some issues and lower performance.
But as a person who uses both windows and linux, Windows is a super stable os if you do some powershell tweaks (for bloat, ads, updates) and you can also bring the best things from the linux world like package managers, stability etc.
Windows can run all games and i dont have to worry if a game is going to have proton problems.
It can run all the telemetry and jankyass untested updates, too
I would have know this when i said this on Lemmy + linux community. I would actually consider my phone running android/ios to be a greater threat to my privacy than my gaming pc
With a powershell tweaks you never have to worry about those broken updates.
I run grapheneOS for that reason, though that's besides the point. One thing being bad doesn't make another less bad. And you'd still have to worry about janky updates, you're just minimizing the risk, and mitigating the risk of bad updates by putting in a delay and only doing critical and security updates comes with a compromise to increasing vulnerability.
Bad OS is bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just like Linux! But sadly Windows doesn't deliver 3rd party backdoors and viruses automatically yet.
..yeah, Windows prefers delivering 1st party backdoors and viruses.
Jokes aside, what are you referring to with that, where are you pulling your packages from not be vetted?
Fresh from the oven https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/10/snap-store-from-canonical-hit-with-malicious-apps/
Thanks, that's actually valid!
I think one of the commenters there said it best:
(link)
And it looks like it's being handled decently by Canonical. I don't like Snap, but I gotta say they're doing a good job overall
Tell that to some of the games I want to play. Splinter Cell - Blacklist, I'm looking at you.
Faster than Windows? Is that based upon that one post with the single hardware configuration that used proton optimisations to basically calculate less in game? The one that can't be replicated because of missing info?
Gee, I wonder why calculating less improves performance.
Next you going to tell me lowering the render distance also improves fps...
If only Linux wouldn't Bork my whole install when I try to switch to 144hz on my monitor.
You're not supposed to run "rm -rf /" to change refresh rate
That’s a weird one. I’ve been running a 165hz primary monitor and a 144hz secondary for a while on AMD, Nvidia, and Intel GPUs. I’ve never had any trouble with them.
Were you using Wayland or X11?
Honestly don't remember which I was running. Was a new install of testing Endevour OS with an Nvidia card. Changed the refresh rate through the display settings to 144 and it went black and never came back. Fixed it back to 60 through cli boot eventually but it never liked changing it off that.
I can verify I’ve had this exact problem. Never found a solution. My Linux box has been changed to Manjaro so it’ll work now
Are you using some weird video setup? I’ve had some issues with DisplayLink but never anything worse than needing to reboot before it will work again.
Borking an entire install by pressing buttons on a monotor is pretty difficult. What exactly were you doing? Did you ask your OS' community for support?
All I did was on first install go to display settings and change to 144hz in the OS and screen then goes black and never came back. Force a shutdown and boots back to a black screen after login.
I was eventually able to change things back to 60hz and working through booting to cli but 144 never wanted to work (am admittedly using Nvidia card).
So not completely borked but not ideal at all.
Ah yeah nvidia can be painful, especially if you want wayland. But this seems to be a simple modesetting issue, I'm sure there are some known workarounds. You can also report driver bugs directly to nvidia, but I don't know if that will do much.
Yeah, sounds like a PEBKAC problem to me. 😁
Well even if the user doesn't really know what they're doing, things shouldn't easily break, that's just bad.
I'm not convinced this is a valid statement:
If he says his install is borked I believe him. If he says it's "just" because he tried to switch to 144hz on his monitor, eh...
Edit: Also sounds like nvidia binary blob driver. Odd to me that he didn't get the "do you want to keep these settings" prompt, and that it didn't revert when he didn't click yes though.
Setting any of my monitors to 4k or 144hz just resulted in a completely black screen that persisted through reboots. Only solution I found was to plug into a completely separate, lower resolution monitor.
No clue what caused it, but it’s not isolated to just op
Out of curiosity, nvidia blob driver also? (I, too, run the blob driver, but I'm just curious if it's a common denominator)
I think so. It’s been a while since I set it up.
Since I can’t remember setting up the proprietary ones, I’d assume it’s the blob
lol i was playing WoW on wine when most people here were in the fecal exchange phase
please tell me how valve saved gaming
Then just like me you can remember how much harder it used to be.
No need to be a snarky dick you know.
lol i was just anticipating the fanboys.
wow was literally wine wow.exe
Jesus Christ the losers in this sub
Congratulations, you played the only Windows game that consistently scored Platinum rankings on Wine's AppDB in the mid to late 2000's.
If you went past the tedious install process and didn't mind the lack of Vsync on OpenGL, WoW ran like a dream on Linux and could actually pull higher framerates than on Windows.
Valve definitely deserve credit. No other games publisher has contributed as much to the Linux gaming community as them, and they did it because they perceived Microsoft as an existential threat to their storefront.