But first they would need to invent some tape
They could have fitted the whole ring / tape / mouse assembly into a small paper bag Aragorn could have kept it in his jacket and fed it little bits of lembas on the way how lovely x
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Sam did bear the weight of the ring, its hard to convey in the movie but the book makes it clear. Sam just had an iron will.
AND he hadn't already been carrying the ring the whole fucking way like Frodo did!
It's both an iron will and a life goal that isn't really susceptible to corruption. The ring takes the thing you want most and connects itself to that in your mind, twisting your goals to accomplish what it wants.
I'm not really certain what value being temporarily invisible has when all you want to do is garden. Hell, I don't even think a giant army or conquering the whole world would help either. Just means a more overwhelming garden, which defeats the point.
I mean that's the reason Hobbits in general can withstand the Ring longer than any other race of Middle Earth. They just want a quiet life without any fuss and that's pretty much the opposite of what the Ring can promise them.
Ring: I can make you rich!
Hobbit: Eh, than my cousins will pester me all day.
Ring: I can make you strong!
Hobbit: What for? I have an ox for that.
Ring: I can make you king of all!
Hobbit: That's even worse than rich!
Ring: Exasperated sigh
Ring: Fine! I can give you third breakfast!
But I'm busy eating elevenses right now! Maybe we can have third breakfast tomorrow?
He was really just sick and fucking tired of the Lembas bread that much.
Really the whole story of Sam could be boiled down to drive of a man who really wanted to get back to a life of a good women and great food.
Great food = potatoes
Humble but great
Mushrooms, really.
Needed more pipeweed to get through it.
Sam is the main character in the book
So instead of sending Sam, the whole Shire should have taken the trio together and just passed the ring back and forth amongst like 10 people?
All you have to do is read the first book to realize why that wouldn’t work.
Sir this is a
Wendy'smeme subHard to tell when its not funny.
no it's cause Sam was a fucking saint
This is my headcanon and I cannot be convinced otherwise.
Yeah sam is the true king imo 👑
I mean, I haven't read the books in a while now, but iirc they make this pretty damn clear
He really was, though. Both Frodo and Bilbo carried the weight better than any other had before them, but they were still negatively impacted by it. But not Sam. Truly a goldenhearted being.
I thought Sam did put on the ring in the books.
It also affected Boromir just being around it.
Didn't Smeagol kill a friend just to have it before even wearing it?
Yes. Basically, Sam was practically only one in the Fellowship who could resist the temptations of The Ring, because he had really simple desires.
I dunno... he didn't have it for very long in the films, then hesitated when Frodo asked for it back. He resisted the ring, but it still affected him a little bit.
It was more a concern for Frodo as Frodo was desperatefor the ring at the time.
In the book it shows you how the ring attempted to corrupt him and he kind of went "meh" at it.
How did the ring attempt to corrupt ol’ Samwise?
Here's my answer from the last time this came up (which might as well have been yesterday from how often people unfairly lionize Sam and shit on Frodo):
“As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor…”
"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur… He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "
"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command."
Sam was tempted, and if he possessed the ring long enough he would have been overcome like any other, but his Hobbit-sense saved him in that one small moment, when he had held the ring but a short while.
We can read the same words and take something different from them. That reads to me like he was able to pretty easily dismiss the temptation. Maybe he would've been tempted like Boromir was, maybe he would've had the resolve of Frodo, maybe he could've held it for much longer like Bilbo.
His Hobbit-sense saved him there. The only one who can tell us with certainly where it lies in relation to Frodo is no longer able to.
Also arguably the ring was having a big effect on him the entire time. The entire journey sam hates Smegal, which he sees as what Frodo is becoming carrying the ring. Smegal was a walking personification of the fear sam had for Frodo. That fear was turned into hate by the ring slowly corrupting Sam's love for his master into a weakness for the ring to leverage. He absolutely was not immune to its power.
I forget the exact wording, but the Ring essentially showed Sam visions of being some sort of a supreme gardener king. Sam dismissed that as fucking stupid, because he just wants a simple garden.
It showed him a nation-spanning garden, with Samwise as the perfect farmer to tend to said land.
“As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor..."
"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur... He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "
Edit to add:
“And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.”
And Sam's reaction:
"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command."
Edit: Nevermind you added it in the time it took me to find the passage lol
https://youtu.be/HM-mgaDC6Vg?t=12
The animated films had a segment of when Sam had the ring and was going to rescue Frodo, and it tempted him that he could use its power to set the world right. I kind of wish Peter Jackson would've done something similar.
https://youtu.be/1PE-5ETUtW4
Sam Bombadil
The mouse definitely would have escaped and ran straight to Sauron.
Yep. This particular configuration only works because of Sam's devotion to Frodo.
We need more configurations.
Sam just had the strength to resist the ring.
He didn't crave for power, but only for food and peace.
Good thing the ring wasn't made of spuds
You mean PO-TAY-TOES?
Boil 'em, mash 'em, put 'em in a stew!
Or hobbit poontang
Sam had hobbit pussy eager at the ring of a bell if he'd have wanted, he wasn't lacking.
Yes, but through that mouse, the ring would wield a power too squeak and scratch to imagine.
Mouse would escape the tape and stick its head through the ring. Then you have an invisible mouse to rule them all to deal with. The whole of Middle Earth would be absolutely overrun with mice
Consider this: Frodo is the mouse
Yup. As a maiar, this is basically what Gandalf did.
This is a maiar?
Tolkien stated that "Maia is the name of the Kin of the Valar, but especially of those of lesser power than the 9 great rulers". In the Valaquenta, Tolkien wrote that the Maiar are "spirits whose being also began before the world, of the same order as the Valar but of less degree".
Basically the same thing Sauron was before he made the rings and corrupted himself for power.
So Gandalf did a maiar?
He did the maiar mash! It was a middle earth smash!
Was magic ring ever explained on a technical level? I thought all we know is it wants to be with sauron and it makes angels shit themselves.
For all we know putting it on a mouse gives everyone mouse nightmares and make them worship the mouse as mouse king before they take it straight to sauron.
Do you not have the Official Middle Earth Technical Manual?
I've got the Original Equipment Manufacturer's factory service manual.
The OEMOMEFSM.
But that mouse would have become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
And would sing 🎵 HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! 🎵
Mighty mouse. Faster than a bullet and stronger than a locomotive.
The mouse would have chewed through the pocket and run away as soon as it could
Or possibly climb the nearest thing to get eaten by a bird, kinda like what Frodo did with the nazgul.
Frodo ate a Nazgûl?
They're surprisingly low calorie.
*affected
Its easier too carry a depressed mouse than a depressed halfman
I'm going to need to see the numbers.
Yes. There could have been a thousand things that could of happened and then we wouldn't have had this book, or the trilogy, or the landscape of modern day fantasy as we know it.
could've
Impressive that he got it correct and incorrect in the same sentence.
100% agree lol
Until the mouse kills all of them.
The ring shrinks down to fit the mouse sized knuckle. After disappearing, the mouse would have hopped on on of those massive eagles and flown away from the volcano.
"so long, suckers!"
I suspect it's more a question of proximity, the one not carrying it is much further and thus much less affected by it
If you carry the mouse, then it's almost as if you're carrying it yourself
They should have carried an eagle with the ring attached to him.
so just tie it to a stick and hold it in front of yourself
Could they have just used a stick to carry it then?
no they should have just taped the mouse to an eagle
Perfection
Gets to mount Doom, chucks mouse into volcano.
Adorable until it isn’t 🥰
They could tie the ring to a balloon and push it along.
They could just tie it to a long string and drag it.
Tie the hands of two people together and put the ring on the rope hanging in the middle.
Cut to the palace of Mausron the Terrible I: "And that's how we overthrew the apes and founded our perfect paradise, which I now rule with my tiny, iron adorable fist."
Ah yes, tape, the cornerstone of every Hobbit's hole.
Did you read the title?
invents tape, then tapes your mouth shut
Walk Walk Walk
Yooooo Tom cardy
Better yet, start the battle of pelannor fields as usual, cept you give that paper bag to Gwaihir and have him drop that shit on Mt doom like a gahdamn b52. NnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnerrrroooooomKABOOM. Job done.
I’m imagining a sped up montage and then a record scratch “yup that’s me, in the paper bag. You’re probably wondering how I ended up here…”
fortunate son starts playing
tape did not exist in this era of fantasy.... Sam could do this because he was pure of heart