Actually how some some small governments work - “okay, the discussion today has gone too heated now so we all have to go cool down and continue tomorrow.
When I was in school we had to watch a documentary on our election process in Canada which included an interview with the speaker for the house of commons. He was fairly unique at the time because instead of screaming for order like his predecessors he would just keep calmly asking for it and not continue until things settled down. His rationale was that if he's yelling at them, that's just more yelling that teaches people it's okay to yell. He made a remark something along the lines of "you'd be surprised how many techniques for raising children carry over to adulthood."
Anyway seeing how our government was operated by a bunch of screaming (elderly white) men acting like toddlers was really an eye-opening experience about governance.
All my favourite speakers in the Australian parliament do exactly that. I especially like how disappointed they sound. "Order... The member for Bradford will resume his seat... The member for Bradford is warned... All who agree that the member for Bradford should get the fuck out, say aye..."
If you give them a point to point talk mechanism, you can even avoid things like... Overhearing people talking to each other (yuck!) and people leaving their homes to talk to others and oops they bumped into you (how awful!!).
I went on a date with a girl who said she was going to school for communication.
We were at a bar and grill, so I misheard her and started deep diving into networks, fiber, PTP and OTA, my favorite switches and routers, why I hate and love Cisco, but why I prefer Brocade and Ruckus, was even starting to get into AM and FM when she finally stopped me:
not communications, communication. Like, you know, talking.
Oooooh. That's cool.
And somehow I saved the date and we were together for a good five years.
Didn't even get to satellites. She did really appreciate that she didn't have to pay to have her macbook repaired, or any other IT shit.
I... well, it's good that you got some of that out.
I just really hate the mass illusionists who fuck up the world in defense of the status quo. I am absolutely sick of clever people mediating perception to defend the privileged.
God, I agree so hard. And they rename shit rather than sticking to IEEE standards. And while GSM3 is free, the firmwares aren't.
It is cheaper to buy a $100 48 port brocade off eBay than a $5000 24 port that then requires you to pay to learn how to use it.
Cisco is the network devil, as well as Fortigate, Juniper, and Sonicwall. Ubiquiti is almost getting to be as bad but in a different way: let's make shit so user friendly that CEOs love it, but user unfriendly so that network guys are like, "dude, this should be fucking simple! I have to dig into all these menus and then find the field buried in a pretty format.
"Just give me the terminal. Oh, I can ssh in but I don't have sudo. Nope, you need to use the convoluted web UI to so that."
As someone who wants to get into networking and also doesn't want to give Cisco money, what do you suggest I do. I currently have some of the comptia certs (net and sec). With my 2-3 years in IT (workjng with networking and servers), how can I improve myself to get another job?
I would rather just get a $100 brocade off eBay. Ubiquiti edge routers (at least four years ago) were nice but good god: don't let them lose power.
Fortunately, the router runs off a thumb drive, but when you are trying to fix a network that is in production and the FNG figures he can just power cycle it like Comcast taught him with his router at home.... fml. Especially on a WAN (like ISP), it is a fucking nightmare.
I have found Sophos and Netgate to be good solutions for small businesses, except setting VLANs on Netgate is a pain, but so is setting a VPN on Sophos. And Sophos is also a licensing bitch.
You see, comms networks have nice, straightforward protocols for interaction. There's defined handshakes, everyone's clear on who the message is for and what's the actual content versus just the packaging (headers, etc.).
Human to human communication? Now that's a complicated mess. Can't always tell what the actual message is, there's multiple carrier types (body language, voice, etc.) and it's really bad at handling packets from multiple senders over short periods!
I love when my one friend info dumps their literary passions at me.
They 100% think my eyes are glazing over while I'm pondering the info. Until I have follow up questions and their little autistic face lights up to re-engage.
They're one of my favorite humans, I should text them 😄
Other person: "Team A is playing against Team B! It's the first time in X years that they've been in the grand finals!"
Me: who? what game is this?
(Australia is obsessed with football and cricket, to the extent where you can't help but pick up a few names just because they're talked about so much.)
The edgelord gatekeepers that will try and boot you off a repeater during snowstorm travel just so they can have their precious weekly net where nothing useful happens.
Many hams seem to be governance larpers instead of members of a community.
Some repeaters are much worse than others. My local one in Europe is fine, mostly old folks with nothing to do at home, or old folks driving around in a car with a radio set to the repeater out of habit.
RF engineers are really the engineers of engineers, and I don't mean that in a good way. I don't think I know anyone in RF that I would describe as fully sane and neurotypical.
We're the weird kids that built radios instead of playing outside, I guess.
Also, it's the one subject with less women than even mech-eng in my experience (weirdly enough, I do know two female information theory professors), for whatever reason.
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Hey hey hey, I build networks so people can talk to other people. I don't want them talking to me.
"Once I set this bad boy up there'll be about 8billion other people you can annoy"
I can't help but notice that you're attempting to communicate with other people right now.
Talking via forums is fine. I can always walk away and pick it up later. Can't do that with realtime communications.
It sounds like it would be hilarious to try though.
Actually how some some small governments work - “okay, the discussion today has gone too heated now so we all have to go cool down and continue tomorrow.
When I was in school we had to watch a documentary on our election process in Canada which included an interview with the speaker for the house of commons. He was fairly unique at the time because instead of screaming for order like his predecessors he would just keep calmly asking for it and not continue until things settled down. His rationale was that if he's yelling at them, that's just more yelling that teaches people it's okay to yell. He made a remark something along the lines of "you'd be surprised how many techniques for raising children carry over to adulthood."
Anyway seeing how our government was operated by a bunch of screaming (elderly white) men acting like toddlers was really an eye-opening experience about governance.
All my favourite speakers in the Australian parliament do exactly that. I especially like how disappointed they sound. "Order... The member for Bradford will resume his seat... The member for Bradford is warned... All who agree that the member for Bradford should get the fuck out, say aye..."
Pleasedon't.Try autism! I do that a lot. Sometimes I gotta calm down instead of going off on someone.
Or at least take the time to think about whether the topic in question is important enough to really give someone the business. The talk-business.
Some of us are dogs though, on the internet.
If you give them a point to point talk mechanism, you can even avoid things like... Overhearing people talking to each other (yuck!) and people leaving their homes to talk to others and oops they bumped into you (how awful!!).
“I bet you can eavesdrop on everything we say”
Omg ew no why would I do that.
I went on a date with a girl who said she was going to school for communication.
We were at a bar and grill, so I misheard her and started deep diving into networks, fiber, PTP and OTA, my favorite switches and routers, why I hate and love Cisco, but why I prefer Brocade and Ruckus, was even starting to get into AM and FM when she finally stopped me:
not communications, communication. Like, you know, talking.
Oooooh. That's cool.
And somehow I saved the date and we were together for a good five years.
Didn't even get to satellites. She did really appreciate that she didn't have to pay to have her macbook repaired, or any other IT shit.
propaganda
message shaping
What?
The common term for "Public Relations."
I am not asking what your definition of propaganda is. I am saying I am missing your frame of reference.
She doesn't do propaganda. We would have never, ever dated. She ended up working at a hospital.
So I guess raising awareness for women to check themselves and how to for breast cancer (literally what she did) is somehow now propaganda.
You don't like boobs and human lives? Are you one of those anti-breast-checkers? Breast cancer denier?
Well, I am drinking the kool-aid, Alex Jones. /simply being facetious, not mocking you, so please take no offense.
So I do computers/networks/programming, and I have a big white board in my living room.
She was finishing her bachelors and I came home one day to find she wrote "I am so sick of talking about talking!"
I didn't erase it. Just worked around it. And I would point at it anytime I had to repeat myself. I am obviously a charmer.
But we aren't together now, actually, because she didn't want children and I did. So it goes.
I... well, it's good that you got some of that out.
I just really hate the mass illusionists who fuck up the world in defense of the status quo. I am absolutely sick of clever people mediating perception to defend the privileged.
Do tell me your opinions on Cisco. My work is somewhat adjacent and sometimes there's an overlap but I know very little about it.
Overpriced. Overrated. And I hate dealing with their licensing.
God, I agree so hard. And they rename shit rather than sticking to IEEE standards. And while GSM3 is free, the firmwares aren't.
It is cheaper to buy a $100 48 port brocade off eBay than a $5000 24 port that then requires you to pay to learn how to use it.
Cisco is the network devil, as well as Fortigate, Juniper, and Sonicwall. Ubiquiti is almost getting to be as bad but in a different way: let's make shit so user friendly that CEOs love it, but user unfriendly so that network guys are like, "dude, this should be fucking simple! I have to dig into all these menus and then find the field buried in a pretty format.
"Just give me the terminal. Oh, I can ssh in but I don't have sudo. Nope, you need to use the convoluted web UI to so that."
As someone who wants to get into networking and also doesn't want to give Cisco money, what do you suggest I do. I currently have some of the comptia certs (net and sec). With my 2-3 years in IT (workjng with networking and servers), how can I improve myself to get another job?
Its hard right now. Fortinet is one of my favorites for hardware. Tailscale for SDN. Ruckus is underrated.
Edit: For a career move, do Tailscale.
Do you recommend fortinet nse certs?
Nice, I've actually been using tailscale in my homelab
Who _doesn’t_have shitty licensing?
Ubiquiti! But I also wouldn't run in an enterprise capacity.
Cisco licensing is getting.... better. I got us on an EA agreement and it's making annual renewals a lot easier.
I would rather just get a $100 brocade off eBay. Ubiquiti edge routers (at least four years ago) were nice but good god: don't let them lose power.
Fortunately, the router runs off a thumb drive, but when you are trying to fix a network that is in production and the FNG figures he can just power cycle it like Comcast taught him with his router at home.... fml. Especially on a WAN (like ISP), it is a fucking nightmare.
I have found Sophos and Netgate to be good solutions for small businesses, except setting VLANs on Netgate is a pain, but so is setting a VPN on Sophos. And Sophos is also a licensing bitch.
I loved Cambium, buuuuut they just got fucked.
Proprietary network protocols
e.g. VLAN trunking.
If you use Cisco anywhere in your infrastructure, then you kind of need to use it elsewhere.
You see, comms networks have nice, straightforward protocols for interaction. There's defined handshakes, everyone's clear on who the message is for and what's the actual content versus just the packaging (headers, etc.).
Human to human communication? Now that's a complicated mess. Can't always tell what the actual message is, there's multiple carrier types (body language, voice, etc.) and it's really bad at handling packets from multiple senders over short periods!
Some don't have handshakes. Radio broadcasting just infodumps on everyone, which is also what some neurodivergent people wish they could do
I love when my one friend info dumps their literary passions at me.
They 100% think my eyes are glazing over while I'm pondering the info. Until I have follow up questions and their little autistic face lights up to re-engage.
They're one of my favorite humans, I should text them 😄
"Now I can tell everyone about the British Rail Class 55 Deltic.... Wait... you want to what? .... Top 40 what? Pop... Music? Noooooooo!"
Or sports....
Other person: "Team A is playing against Team B! It's the first time in X years that they've been in the grand finals!" Me: who? what game is this?
(Australia is obsessed with football and cricket, to the extent where you can't help but pick up a few names just because they're talked about so much.)
Crickets you say, I am sure we could get someone to ramble about bugs for hours.
Real life handshakes are a mess too. It’s like a game of rock-paper-scissors.
Is it a high handshake or a low? Ah it’s a fist bump. Oh no wait, it is a low handshake! Grabs the fist
Just like so many amateur radio operators are afraid to speak on air
The edgelord gatekeepers that will try and boot you off a repeater during snowstorm travel just so they can have their precious weekly net where nothing useful happens.
Many hams seem to be governance larpers instead of members of a community.
Huge turn-off.
Some repeaters are much worse than others. My local one in Europe is fine, mostly old folks with nothing to do at home, or old folks driving around in a car with a radio set to the repeater out of habit.
Most of ham is, sadly, either pre-arranged groups or contest stuff. I very rarely get people just having a chat.
It's a little scary on the repeater, you never know who's listening...
RF engineers are really the engineers of engineers, and I don't mean that in a good way. I don't think I know anyone in RF that I would describe as fully sane and neurotypical.
We're the weird kids that built radios instead of playing outside, I guess.
Also, it's the one subject with less women than even mech-eng in my experience (weirdly enough, I do know two female information theory professors), for whatever reason.
Well duh!
Most of the RF is invisible to people.
I wish I could get beamed off this shit hole world into space at the speed of light.
kojima spoke of this
ooof... this was so true, noticed it while I was in the signal corps....
Unsung heroes