the disconnect between how people act face to face and how they vote is sometimes mind blowing
then with other people, it's just right as expected. you know the type, the ones who never think to hold a door, who leaves shopping carts in the way, who act like dangerous assholes the moment they start driving a vehicle
There's unfortunately a good bit of political gerrymandering influencing vote outcomes as well. If congressional districts were impartially drawn nationwide, the US House of Representatives would be a completely different legislative body
... and usually Jan knows a Maren who owns an old Bulli that you can use for the price of helping her get the seats out and later back in again. You know, in case Jan is busy carrying his toolbox with half your stuff over to your next house.
I've helped my Kurdish neighbors that I've barely ever talked to move out of the apartment next to mine. Ten hours of carrying stuff down the stairs, into someone's cousin's GLS delivery van. They asked me over and over, why a German would do that for foreigners that he barely knows. I shrugged. I said nothing. It was all for a warm meal and the privilege of now knowing someone who delivers parcels for GLS and can borrow the van over the weekend.
I love coöps! It's insane to me that this country doesn't a coöp commonwealth based economy. Stakeholders are way more important than shareholders, but everyone wamts to gamble instead of sharing effort and lightening each other's loads.
I've read it before. I'll read it again. I have a truck, it's ugly, it's old, and it runs, so it gets used to haul stuff, most recently a refrigerator. The owner of the fridge was out of country. I had to be elsewhere at the designated time, so I was not the "arms", just the guy with a truck. I've owned it for decades. I could not possibly sell it for anything like it's value to society.
It used to be easier in smaller cities and villages where you were forced to know a lot of people. One of the side effects of being able to live more private lives in the modern age is this lack. In the same way that churches do provide communities (but I still think religion causes far more harm than good).
This is why social safety nets are important - because the baseline should not be "I know a guy".
Social safety nets for trucks? Maybe not specifically. But you can easily rent a truck in most places these days - $20 for a couple of hours.
But then again, if you think about isolation… that's where some of the ideas about witches came from in days past. Imagine a woman, losing her husband, living alone, struggling to survive. Society is more "spiritual" and so susceptible to believing some of those old women might be witches. It certainly happened in some instances.
Ideally, I wish we had a society and culture in the US of knowing our neighbors again. Not too much. I don't want to know of their politics and religion and all the other things I probably disaagree with, but I'd love to be able to give them a cup of sugar if they ran out, or help move a sofa, or all those little things we used to do a bit more for each other.
I don't want to know of their politics and religion and all the other things I probably disaagree with, but I'd love to be able to give them a cup of sugar if they ran out, or help move a sofa, or all those little things we used to do a bit more for each other.
I think about this often and I agree with you... I genuinely like the idea but then, what do you do if you learn that that neighbour votes for someone who has openly stated that he wants to kill me and my family and people like us? I've never really found the answer to that...
Edit: not in a US political context, just in general
Well, that's why I don't actually make the effort to meet my neighbors. heh.
And I live in a metro that's decently blue, but we are mixed enough here that most people don't really talk politics much.
But hey… I lived 15 years in an area where literally every public television (like waiting rooms at mechanics or doctors) was Fox News. Here? It's HGTV or at one place the Weather Channel. So… I'll take it as an improvement. heh.
But really, I'd like to live someplace where fascism was still an idea that everyone agreed was fucked. :(
Also from this self-proclaimed "SI assisted" (yes, using Trump's Super Intelligence term) account:
Americans, you may think this election is about the cost of living.
But I want you to think harder about what's really at stake.
A dystopia where your daughter gets raped, and her father gets arrested for reporting it.
A world where your daughter is enslaved, beaten over and over, forced to cover herself in black cloth, and forbidden from going to school.
I want you to think seriously about whether that future could come to America.
You hate Trump.
You're pissed off because Musk is rich.
You didn't get richer under the Republicans.
For reasons that petty, you can't think beyond a three-foot radius or two years in either direction.
Have you even considered that your country could become a hellish Muslim kingdom?
That America could end up like Europe?
I want you to think about that when you vote.
Aren't your families and communities what really matter?
Why would you let your daughters be tortured just to prioritize Islam, gay couples buying children through surrogacy, or groups of women demanding acquittals for people who kill children?
Why are you so determined to put the rights of people you consider abnormal ahead of your own daughters?
Not the rights of minorities.
Not the rights of people facing discrimination.
The rights of people you consider abnormal.
Seriously. Please think again.
TL;DR: Yes Musk is rich, but you should still vote for republicans because voting for the slightly less intolerant, but still right-wing party means gay muslim women are gonna come buy and kill your children.
Xitter link here, luckily many people are now realizing that it's a propaganda slop account. Which for people still using that service is a pretty big deal
This is funny (in a sad kind of way) to me, because:
It's already a dystopia where your daughter gets raped and if she reports it, she gets swatted
The "hellish Muslim kingdom" he speaks about shares more values with republicans than democrats (hardcore muslims are extremely right-wing and in fact the main gripe islamic terrorists usually have is that the other muslims aren't right-wing enough)
I've yet to see this hellish Muslim kingdom in Europe. The one (1) Syrian family in my town has yet to bomb anything curiously enough
In what universe is voting for republicans going to be in the interests of "your own daughters" anyway? They're the ones curtailing women's rights (because, again - they're the ones who have so much in common with islamic extremists. Just right-wing extremists of two different religions, of course they have similar ideas).
I thought minorities were also part of your communities. Also his character is a minority too. I suspect he himself is either American, Israeli or Russian.
My first car was a big black mid-80s Dodge truck. I was Keven for a long time. But back when I was Keven, the standard fee was a six pack of beer and enough money to cover gas. I usually wouldn't bother about the gas money unless it involved driving some significant distance though. The price only went up to include pizza if it was going to be a multi-hour or all day kind of affair, like helping someone move house. BBQ or fried chicken was also acceptable.
That twitter/x account is a racist propaganda account posting these AI texts (yes, its AI as to their own admission) to spread insane garbage on their twitter.
I mean, most posts on Twitter are LLM-generated. Especially blue checkmark ones.
TBH, I wouldn't post any. I block communities that put too many Tweet screenshots in my feed, as they're basically always ragebait posted by an engagement farming account.
Sadly the further down this rabbit hole you go, the less there will be of lemmy to actually see. All the kids do nowadays is share slop memes back and forth. The meme economy has gone bankrupt.
And that’s what I mean. These kids don’t care. They will stop at nothing to give you the illusion that they do, but behavior is a tell- words aren’t.
Just look at how everyone complains about YouTube, then check the numbers. It’s more popular than ever.
Or really, any of the flavor-of-the-week complaints.
Like… Remember when everyone was hating on Rockstar for union busting? These kids are climbing over one another to hand over their saliva-soaked money for GTAVI pre-orders. (Also something they constantly yell at others for)
And let’s add on the fuckton of Facebook accounts that still exist even though we get daily articles about how META despises the LGBTQ+.
There has never been a more disingenuous generation than the recent batches. They just consume shit ad nauseum- all while giving the illusion that they give a shit about any of it. And you can’t directly call them out because you’ll get torn apart by the fact that they need to keep the ruse going. So with clutched pearls and a new sense of victimhood, they definitely deny all of it while calling you a “boomer”.
I don’t believe in intergenerational finger pointing like that. It’s not productive.
Besides, older generations have no leg to stand on. I see everyone from millennials to boomers indulging in the exact same addictive algos, sharing and acting in misinformation. And they have no excuse because they grew up with the “old internet.” Hence it doesn’t matter; everyone, in aggregate, is doing this.
I just meant to highlight the information hygiene problem on Lemmy, specifically. It really bothers me, but it doesn’t seem to bother most users, old or young, which worries me.
This reminded me of how annoying my previous employer was after I got a Jeep Wrangler instead of a truck. He would mock me having a Jeep all the time. Like I know why you want me to get a truck and no thank you.
I've always wanted a Comanche, a little bit more modern. A shame they did away with them, too big of a threat to the big three. Then again I would love a body on frame instead of the unibody.
I’m not saying it’s unlikely to happen that a neighbor helps a neighbor move, but the story feels totally fake. I don’t think there’s a network of single men who help each other move furniture for pizza that the narrator stumbled upon, or if there is, I don’t think it’s a typical pattern of American neighborhoods. Like when do they buy the pizza? What size? If he didn’t know that the 3rd guy is coming, why did he have pizza for him? If he thought the payment is cash, why did he have pizza for them? Or did they say: thanks, your total is 6 slices of cheese pizza, it’s going to ask you a couple of questions? And then he ordered pizza from doordash and the 3 of them waited about 40 minutes for it to arrive? How did the truck guy get OPs number? The friend told him: hey, I know a guy who needs a sofa moved, do you need some pizza? Here’s his number just call him he’ll totally answer an unknown number.
In the UK it's a man with a van. Everyone knows a man with a van or someone who knows a man with a van. If it's a long drive then the man with a van will probably ask for a bit of cash to cover the fuel, but generally the price is some food or beer, because it's not a job, it's one of the basic cooperative actions that society requires to function properly, so it's given according to ability and paid for according to need. The main product of the work isn't a transaction, it's community, so none of those questions are actually important.
I've lived in different states and it's the same everywhere. IDK about cities. The only unusual thing in this story is that the guy OP was talking to orginally didn't show up. And that it's just a pizza and not also beer.
The other questions you have I assure you that all of it is perfectly normal - to the degree that I as an American iam sitting here wondering how you made it through life not knowing the answrs to those question (I don't actually mean that, I'm sure you have a good social life, I'm just trying to relate that it's like everyday stuff, as if you were asking "how are both their shoes tied" and "how did that guy know how much money to give at the checkout counter")
The pizza is obtained on the way, at the pizza place local to the destination. If you're moving a ton, the most tired person goes to get it. You try to plan ahead but you also gotta probably stop for beer and maybe gas.
There is no question of size. I honestly don't know anyone who orders anything other than a Large pie. It's a Large and if there's leftovers, there's leftovers. If you need 10 slices, you get another Large and have leftovers.
You can very quickly just say "pepperoni?" and if you don't get a "I don't eat meat" then that's what everyone's getting. Otherwise you just get a plain. SOmetimes someone springs for a Supreme or something. If it's a lot of people you get a mix, or you can do half/halp on one pie. It takes the time to determine this that the phone is ringing while you're placing the order.
Thanks for typing this out, I appreciate the time. I don’t have a good social life, but what I have, stopping to pick up pizza is not part of.
But you’re description sounds like life and is totally reasonable. OP sounds like a feel good Netflix soap, but maybe it’s the style that rubs me the wrong way.
Wait, is this something to be proud of about being American? There might be a touch of embellishment but those series of events are more or less what happens.
Christ this might be breaking in to a tad of our truck culture too, because it makes you feel as though you're a special kind of useful when your the guy with the truck that got the thing moved.
But dont worry about the pizza. Didn't know about the extra helper? Insist you're not hungry, you just got a couple hundred dollars of work done for the cost of pizza. Don't worry, there will be at least a slice left for you. It's a social interaction that is a lot less lopsided than it feels. The sharing of pizza is the commitment to (and quite probably planning) of the next "job".
I'm the Kevin of my circle. It can happen. You just have to know a guy. The price is pizza. And the unspoken promise that one day you'll be called into duty when you're needed.
A world of Kevin's would be a utopia. Friends helping friends and neighbors helping neighbors because it costs nothing more than a bit of time to be kind.
Yes it does, and there's no need to be a dick about it.
The story itself is just off. It's not how anybody acts or talks in real life. America is not a gift economy where strangers gladly spend time and effort and gas moving furniture and heavy appliances for a few slices of pizza (and laughingly refuse payment). Ain't nobody got time for that. Struggling to guilt friends into doing that kind of grunt work for pizza has been a cringe humor trope forever.
The short staccato sentences. The constant anaphora (repeating "Kevin" or "Tony" half a dozen times in a few short paragraphs).
The overly dramatic ALL CAPS PRONOUNCEMENTS.
The oddly-specific numbers ("fifteen mile radius", "eleven minutes")
The expected not X, but Y constructions and reversals ("which felt rehearsed and was not")
Weird serious emphasis on unremarkable things nobody would care about (sitting on the couch first, the daughter being aggressive)
Why would a man you've never met ask you if you could help them move?
Etc.
These are all legitimate rhetorical tricks, but the way it's laid on so thickly and uncannily in short punchy sentences screams AI, specifically Claude's particular style of prose.
Also, GPTZero and Pangram both say it's 100% AI generated.
Also, they've literally said: "I'm simply a Japanese creator who writes in Japanese, uses translation tools and AI as creative tools, and tries to tell funny stories."
Jesus fucking christ man. You people. A preponderance of observed characteristics is a factor, but not itself fact.
For myself, I am so goddamn tired of being called AI. I have NEVER used AI a day in my life. Why? Because I know how to write, I write well, I write for fun, and I've been doing it daily in one way or another for the better part of a century.
Go look at my post history. You'll see much of what you just called AI in all my posts. Then look at the time stamps: it takes time to write. Then look at the imperfect construction and grammar: good, but by no means perfect.
Then come back here and tell me I'm AI because I know you will. Go ahead. Let's get it over with.
Idk why you're getting so offended. I never implied you or anyone here was AI, just the Twitter post in the screenshot.
I also said the techniques mentioned are legit and common. I'm even guilty of some AI favorites myself (em dashes, false ranges, etc.). That's kind of the point -- AI is trained to emulate human language.
The thing is, they're also heavily post-trained to reward "interesting" or faux-profound rhetorical tricks that impress human graders. This encourages them to overuse such techniques, even when they don't make much sense. It's like those old Cola Wars taste tests where people preferred a sip of Pepsi because it tasted sweeter on the spot, but it becomes cloying and saccharine over a whole can. Default AI prose reads like it's trying to twist every single sentence into some kind of surprise or artful flourish, and usually the same few kinds over and over and over again. Seeing those well-worn patterns, combined with the pretty questionable understanding of normal human behavior, makes it pretty clear what's going on.
FWIW, your comments don't read like AI at all. I do agree there's a frustrating epidemic of such accusations, especially from people who don't understand good writing lobbing it at people who are capable of putting more than one clause in a sentence. But I'm being sincere when I say that this has very specific and characteristic traits of a particular AI model that I've seen a lot, not just "it's long and well-written so it MUST be fake."
Funny, I did not expect to but I actually agree with most of you said. Primarily because to me, as a completely non-AI writer, you pegged what I personally see as the unmistakable flags of AI content: non sequiturs of language and richness of concept and ideas.
For myself, when I am looking for AI, I do not pay nearly as much attention to specific techniques as I do to the way it feels as a whole, reading it carefully as if someone were speaking to me personally and noting the oddnesses, the tiny bits that are just huh? as you move by them because in some tiny and otherwise unnoticeable way they just do not follow. They are not what a natural speaker would say, even a natural speaker of a non-English language who put their text through a translator and then posted it. Some things just don't follow, but make sense to a pattern recognizer. I think that's what you're alluding to by "questionable understanding of normal human behavior" and I agree.
Thus, in light of what you replied, I actually do now see your point about OP's posted text, but the reason it did not read as AI to me personally is because it passed this personal non-sequitur test. When I read it, it brought in the unexpected and it did turn the same rhetorical tricks you cited, but not in a jarring or "uncanny valley" way. Then again, I am also not on social media and never have been, so there's that: to spot counterfeits, don't spend time with the fakes; spend time with the real thing. Being away from sound bites and short form content helps a lot. That doesn't mean it isn't AI, only that it did not read so to me.
I also look for what I personally call "idea richness," the cumulative number of separate (related or unrelated to the primary) concepts and ideas that are interwoven into the text but are not presented as part of a list or itemized rebuttal. To me, that richness is part of what makes something worth reading: does it introduce secondary images and ideas? Metaphors and similes? Bring unrelated ideas and concepts into contrast? Use the five senses? Include technically unimportant but still related lived experience? Demonstrate a wide and curious intellectual history? I could go on, but you get the point. Does it add tarragon to the fish?
AI fails miserably at all that. AI at this time could not actually write this comment, no matter how well it was prompted, because it is an exploration of one person's lived and felt experience. AI is a pattern recognizer, not a human feeler, senser, and wildly imperfect thinker like me. In terms of idea richness, OP's text didn't pass and didn't fail that one for me, so I defaulted to not-AI.
Speaking of which, anymore (and I might be odd for my age because only the young people are telling me the same) along with all the above I am starting to get a felt sense of revulsion for AI content, one that I chalk up to my putting so much effort over time into detecting the human content, taken in addition to my burgeoning aversion to the fake. I have a great foundation for spotting counterfeit prose because I have read so much real prose, but my revulsion to it is growing apace with learning to spot it. The young people I know (high school, early college) are telling me they feel the same, though for them it's more about hearing it in music than reading it in text.
It will be interesting to see what happens next, because as possible as it is that AI is moving toward content that is superficially indistinguishable from human product, it is also possible in some vague way that none of us can wholly explain yet that humans are also becoming capable of detecting non-human content by purely animal means.
And you're right, I was getting offended, but you are not the correct target. Thank you for taking the time to reply in earnest. I appreciate it.
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I wish Americans voted the same way they move couches. That is, for the purpose of helping someone with no expectation of profit.
the disconnect between how people act face to face and how they vote is sometimes mind blowing
then with other people, it's just right as expected. you know the type, the ones who never think to hold a door, who leaves shopping carts in the way, who act like dangerous assholes the moment they start driving a vehicle
There's unfortunately a good bit of political gerrymandering influencing vote outcomes as well. If congressional districts were impartially drawn nationwide, the US House of Representatives would be a completely different legislative body
We'd be a stakeholder socialist country if it weren't for the oligarchs astroturfing and propagandizing.
The propaganda is powerful but the DSA and the Working Families Party are working to fix things.
That's because there are outsiders that they do not move couches for. They get to choose. Judge as you will.
But pizza
This is the most male coded thing I've read in years and it almost made me cry. This was sweet on a very masculine level 🥲
I love positive masculinity!
Need more of it in this world
In Germany instead of Kevin there's Jan, and instead of a truck he has a toolbox that's bigger on the inside like the Tardis.
... and usually Jan knows a Maren who owns an old Bulli that you can use for the price of helping her get the seats out and later back in again. You know, in case Jan is busy carrying his toolbox with half your stuff over to your next house.
I've helped my Kurdish neighbors that I've barely ever talked to move out of the apartment next to mine. Ten hours of carrying stuff down the stairs, into someone's cousin's GLS delivery van. They asked me over and over, why a German would do that for foreigners that he barely knows. I shrugged. I said nothing. It was all for a warm meal and the privilege of now knowing someone who delivers parcels for GLS and can borrow the van over the weekend.
When America isn’t busy being at war with itself, it is a hilariously wholesome co-op where everyone is a member of everyone else’s family.
I love coöps! It's insane to me that this country doesn't a coöp commonwealth based economy. Stakeholders are way more important than shareholders, but everyone wamts to gamble instead of sharing effort and lightening each other's loads.
As a former truck owner: yup.
As a trailer owner: yup.
As an owner of two arms: yup.
This is an old(-ish?) copypasta, but it's a good one.
I've read it before. I'll read it again. I have a truck, it's ugly, it's old, and it runs, so it gets used to haul stuff, most recently a refrigerator. The owner of the fridge was out of country. I had to be elsewhere at the designated time, so I was not the "arms", just the guy with a truck. I've owned it for decades. I could not possibly sell it for anything like it's value to society.
This is a story about community building. And I loved it to bits.
This floats to the top of my feed from time to time and Im always happy to read it again
It used to be easier in smaller cities and villages where you were forced to know a lot of people. One of the side effects of being able to live more private lives in the modern age is this lack. In the same way that churches do provide communities (but I still think religion causes far more harm than good).
This is why social safety nets are important - because the baseline should not be "I know a guy".
Social safety nets for trucks? Maybe not specifically. But you can easily rent a truck in most places these days - $20 for a couple of hours.
But then again, if you think about isolation… that's where some of the ideas about witches came from in days past. Imagine a woman, losing her husband, living alone, struggling to survive. Society is more "spiritual" and so susceptible to believing some of those old women might be witches. It certainly happened in some instances.
Ideally, I wish we had a society and culture in the US of knowing our neighbors again. Not too much. I don't want to know of their politics and religion and all the other things I probably disaagree with, but I'd love to be able to give them a cup of sugar if they ran out, or help move a sofa, or all those little things we used to do a bit more for each other.
I think about this often and I agree with you... I genuinely like the idea but then, what do you do if you learn that that neighbour votes for someone who has openly stated that he wants to kill me and my family and people like us? I've never really found the answer to that...
Edit: not in a US political context, just in general
Well, that's why I don't actually make the effort to meet my neighbors. heh.
And I live in a metro that's decently blue, but we are mixed enough here that most people don't really talk politics much.
But hey… I lived 15 years in an area where literally every public television (like waiting rooms at mechanics or doctors) was Fox News. Here? It's HGTV or at one place the Weather Channel. So… I'll take it as an improvement. heh.
But really, I'd like to live someplace where fascism was still an idea that everyone agreed was fucked. :(
Don't we all... I get you and sympathize with the rest of your message as well...
Yeah as an American I don't own a truck but I know a guy.
Also from this self-proclaimed "SI assisted" (yes, using Trump's Super Intelligence term) account:
TL;DR: Yes Musk is rich, but you should still vote for republicans because voting for the slightly less intolerant, but still right-wing party means gay muslim women are gonna come buy and kill your children.
Xitter link here, luckily many people are now realizing that it's a propaganda slop account. Which for people still using that service is a pretty big deal
This is funny (in a sad kind of way) to me, because:
Yeah, the only reason I didn't vote for Republicans last time was that I didn't get rich
But have you tried eating the horse's shit, sparrow?
My first car was a big black mid-80s Dodge truck. I was Keven for a long time. But back when I was Keven, the standard fee was a six pack of beer and enough money to cover gas. I usually wouldn't bother about the gas money unless it involved driving some significant distance though. The price only went up to include pizza if it was going to be a multi-hour or all day kind of affair, like helping someone move house. BBQ or fried chicken was also acceptable.
ai slop? But I remember reading this actually years ago?
Yeah, if anything, it's a copy pasta, though not even sure it's that because I haven't seen it a lot.
Tony brought gloves.
That twitter/x account is a racist propaganda account posting these AI texts (yes, its AI as to their own admission) to spread insane garbage on their twitter.
Reddit link warning but in case someone wants to see:
https://www.reddit.com/r/redditonwiki/comments/1vf0e51/comment/p1lqut3/?context=3&share_id=Ml8uig7TaGfLXBwT7IGdD
Whelp, never posting this guy again. Thanks for the heads up.
I mean, most posts on Twitter are LLM-generated. Especially blue checkmark ones.
TBH, I wouldn't post any. I block communities that put too many Tweet screenshots in my feed, as they're basically always ragebait posted by an engagement farming account.
...I didn't come to Lemmy for that shit.
Sadly the further down this rabbit hole you go, the less there will be of lemmy to actually see. All the kids do nowadays is share slop memes back and forth. The meme economy has gone bankrupt.
I mean, it’s always been bankrupt, but at least the memes were reposted from somewhere.
The part that isn’t okay is the source being a bad actor. A spammer. That is simply unacceptable, yet posters and upvoters don’t seem to care.
And that’s what I mean. These kids don’t care. They will stop at nothing to give you the illusion that they do, but behavior is a tell- words aren’t.
Just look at how everyone complains about YouTube, then check the numbers. It’s more popular than ever.
Or really, any of the flavor-of-the-week complaints.
Like… Remember when everyone was hating on Rockstar for union busting? These kids are climbing over one another to hand over their saliva-soaked money for GTAVI pre-orders. (Also something they constantly yell at others for)
And let’s add on the fuckton of Facebook accounts that still exist even though we get daily articles about how META despises the LGBTQ+.
There has never been a more disingenuous generation than the recent batches. They just consume shit ad nauseum- all while giving the illusion that they give a shit about any of it. And you can’t directly call them out because you’ll get torn apart by the fact that they need to keep the ruse going. So with clutched pearls and a new sense of victimhood, they definitely deny all of it while calling you a “boomer”.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Whoaaa Nellie.
I don’t believe in intergenerational finger pointing like that. It’s not productive.
Besides, older generations have no leg to stand on. I see everyone from millennials to boomers indulging in the exact same addictive algos, sharing and acting in misinformation. And they have no excuse because they grew up with the “old internet.” Hence it doesn’t matter; everyone, in aggregate, is doing this.
I just meant to highlight the information hygiene problem on Lemmy, specifically. It really bothers me, but it doesn’t seem to bother most users, old or young, which worries me.
We can agree to disagree.
Yeah, I've seen that fucker way too often on Lemmy already.
It's always just:
In Japan, people do bad thing.
In USA, people are polite, helpful, accommodating, and friendly.
It's literally just nationalism designed to stroke US-American's ego of how great their society is.
Yet look at all the clowns in the comments patting themeselvrs on the back for knowing that Carly what this bot is talking about.
It’s placating. Americans are so easy to subdue.
I hope he got pizza after moving the fridge.
You know he did. The price was set
Images you can hear.
The quiet, widespread masculinity that is never part of the conversation.
This shit never gets old
truck owner here - can confirm
I help move about 1.3 couches per month
Thank you for your service
For the 0.3 couch, do you chop it lengthwise or widthwise?
we julienne it to fit around the wheel wells
i like this more as a script for a gay porn intro
This reminded me of how annoying my previous employer was after I got a Jeep Wrangler instead of a truck. He would mock me having a Jeep all the time. Like I know why you want me to get a truck and no thank you.
I am also concerned you got a Jeep.
I'm jk lol. Enjoy your vehicle.
Thanks, I've had it for about 10 years now. I plan to convert to an EV or hybrid sooner or later. The funny part is I use it like a mini truck.
Old Grand Cherokees are like the best of all worlds. Truck, Jeep, car, all in one.
I've always wanted a Comanche, a little bit more modern. A shame they did away with them, too big of a threat to the big three. Then again I would love a body on frame instead of the unibody.
There's that for giggle.
Yes, I have old european cars, I know this pain
Yeah repairs can be an experience.
That was the result afterwards. I was young and dumb and almost cut the fuel lines lol
This is a symptom of $8k grandpa trucks now being $50k road tanks.
"Never mind" is two words. There is no such compound noun as "nevermind".
but it could be a proper noun, Nevermind, such as in Janelle Monae's 2018 e-motion picture Dirty Computer!
If you knew it was slop why did you post it?
It's edited
I didn't know it was slop when I posted it. I updated the title when I found out
Fair nuff
That totally happened.
No part of this post seems even a little bit unlikely. Why wouldn't it have happened?
I’m not saying it’s unlikely to happen that a neighbor helps a neighbor move, but the story feels totally fake. I don’t think there’s a network of single men who help each other move furniture for pizza that the narrator stumbled upon, or if there is, I don’t think it’s a typical pattern of American neighborhoods. Like when do they buy the pizza? What size? If he didn’t know that the 3rd guy is coming, why did he have pizza for him? If he thought the payment is cash, why did he have pizza for them? Or did they say: thanks, your total is 6 slices of cheese pizza, it’s going to ask you a couple of questions? And then he ordered pizza from doordash and the 3 of them waited about 40 minutes for it to arrive? How did the truck guy get OPs number? The friend told him: hey, I know a guy who needs a sofa moved, do you need some pizza? Here’s his number just call him he’ll totally answer an unknown number.
Am from US, have lived this.
Of course it's usually a couple friends of yours
In the UK it's a man with a van. Everyone knows a man with a van or someone who knows a man with a van. If it's a long drive then the man with a van will probably ask for a bit of cash to cover the fuel, but generally the price is some food or beer, because it's not a job, it's one of the basic cooperative actions that society requires to function properly, so it's given according to ability and paid for according to need. The main product of the work isn't a transaction, it's community, so none of those questions are actually important.
You phrased it beautifully
I've lived in different states and it's the same everywhere. IDK about cities. The only unusual thing in this story is that the guy OP was talking to orginally didn't show up. And that it's just a pizza and not also beer.
The other questions you have I assure you that all of it is perfectly normal - to the degree that I as an American iam sitting here wondering how you made it through life not knowing the answrs to those question (I don't actually mean that, I'm sure you have a good social life, I'm just trying to relate that it's like everyday stuff, as if you were asking "how are both their shoes tied" and "how did that guy know how much money to give at the checkout counter")
The pizza is obtained on the way, at the pizza place local to the destination. If you're moving a ton, the most tired person goes to get it. You try to plan ahead but you also gotta probably stop for beer and maybe gas.
There is no question of size. I honestly don't know anyone who orders anything other than a Large pie. It's a Large and if there's leftovers, there's leftovers. If you need 10 slices, you get another Large and have leftovers.
You can very quickly just say "pepperoni?" and if you don't get a "I don't eat meat" then that's what everyone's getting. Otherwise you just get a plain. SOmetimes someone springs for a Supreme or something. If it's a lot of people you get a mix, or you can do half/halp on one pie. It takes the time to determine this that the phone is ringing while you're placing the order.
Thanks for typing this out, I appreciate the time. I don’t have a good social life, but what I have, stopping to pick up pizza is not part of.
But you’re description sounds like life and is totally reasonable. OP sounds like a feel good Netflix soap, but maybe it’s the style that rubs me the wrong way.
I think I hear you on the style. There's some intentional storytelling in there and likely some embellishment.
Wait, is this something to be proud of about being American? There might be a touch of embellishment but those series of events are more or less what happens.
Christ this might be breaking in to a tad of our truck culture too, because it makes you feel as though you're a special kind of useful when your the guy with the truck that got the thing moved.
But dont worry about the pizza. Didn't know about the extra helper? Insist you're not hungry, you just got a couple hundred dollars of work done for the cost of pizza. Don't worry, there will be at least a slice left for you. It's a social interaction that is a lot less lopsided than it feels. The sharing of pizza is the commitment to (and quite probably planning) of the next "job".
In Canada its a man with a truck. It absolutely happens.
Just not in big cities. In big cities you are on your own.
I'm the Kevin of my circle. It can happen. You just have to know a guy. The price is pizza. And the unspoken promise that one day you'll be called into duty when you're needed.
A world of Kevin's would be a utopia. Friends helping friends and neighbors helping neighbors because it costs nothing more than a bit of time to be kind.
Sounds AI-written tbh. Strong Claude vibes.
It really fucking doesn't. Some people know how to write properly. It's a skill that I know has been largely, but not completely, lost.
Yes it does, and there's no need to be a dick about it.
The story itself is just off. It's not how anybody acts or talks in real life. America is not a gift economy where strangers gladly spend time and effort and gas moving furniture and heavy appliances for a few slices of pizza (and laughingly refuse payment). Ain't nobody got time for that. Struggling to guilt friends into doing that kind of grunt work for pizza has been a cringe humor trope forever.
The short staccato sentences. The constant anaphora (repeating "Kevin" or "Tony" half a dozen times in a few short paragraphs).
The overly dramatic ALL CAPS PRONOUNCEMENTS.
The oddly-specific numbers ("fifteen mile radius", "eleven minutes")
The expected not X, but Y constructions and reversals ("which felt rehearsed and was not")
Weird serious emphasis on unremarkable things nobody would care about (sitting on the couch first, the daughter being aggressive)
Why would a man you've never met ask you if you could help them move?
Etc.
These are all legitimate rhetorical tricks, but the way it's laid on so thickly and uncannily in short punchy sentences screams AI, specifically Claude's particular style of prose.
Also, GPTZero and Pangram both say it's 100% AI generated.
Also, they've literally said: "I'm simply a Japanese creator who writes in Japanese, uses translation tools and AI as creative tools, and tries to tell funny stories."
Jesus fucking christ man. You people. A preponderance of observed characteristics is a factor, but not itself fact.
For myself, I am so goddamn tired of being called AI. I have NEVER used AI a day in my life. Why? Because I know how to write, I write well, I write for fun, and I've been doing it daily in one way or another for the better part of a century.
Go look at my post history. You'll see much of what you just called AI in all my posts. Then look at the time stamps: it takes time to write. Then look at the imperfect construction and grammar: good, but by no means perfect.
Then come back here and tell me I'm AI because I know you will. Go ahead. Let's get it over with.
Idk why you're getting so offended. I never implied you or anyone here was AI, just the Twitter post in the screenshot.
I also said the techniques mentioned are legit and common. I'm even guilty of some AI favorites myself (em dashes, false ranges, etc.). That's kind of the point -- AI is trained to emulate human language.
The thing is, they're also heavily post-trained to reward "interesting" or faux-profound rhetorical tricks that impress human graders. This encourages them to overuse such techniques, even when they don't make much sense. It's like those old Cola Wars taste tests where people preferred a sip of Pepsi because it tasted sweeter on the spot, but it becomes cloying and saccharine over a whole can. Default AI prose reads like it's trying to twist every single sentence into some kind of surprise or artful flourish, and usually the same few kinds over and over and over again. Seeing those well-worn patterns, combined with the pretty questionable understanding of normal human behavior, makes it pretty clear what's going on.
FWIW, your comments don't read like AI at all. I do agree there's a frustrating epidemic of such accusations, especially from people who don't understand good writing lobbing it at people who are capable of putting more than one clause in a sentence. But I'm being sincere when I say that this has very specific and characteristic traits of a particular AI model that I've seen a lot, not just "it's long and well-written so it MUST be fake."
Funny, I did not expect to but I actually agree with most of you said. Primarily because to me, as a completely non-AI writer, you pegged what I personally see as the unmistakable flags of AI content: non sequiturs of language and richness of concept and ideas.
For myself, when I am looking for AI, I do not pay nearly as much attention to specific techniques as I do to the way it feels as a whole, reading it carefully as if someone were speaking to me personally and noting the oddnesses, the tiny bits that are just huh? as you move by them because in some tiny and otherwise unnoticeable way they just do not follow. They are not what a natural speaker would say, even a natural speaker of a non-English language who put their text through a translator and then posted it. Some things just don't follow, but make sense to a pattern recognizer. I think that's what you're alluding to by "questionable understanding of normal human behavior" and I agree.
Thus, in light of what you replied, I actually do now see your point about OP's posted text, but the reason it did not read as AI to me personally is because it passed this personal non-sequitur test. When I read it, it brought in the unexpected and it did turn the same rhetorical tricks you cited, but not in a jarring or "uncanny valley" way. Then again, I am also not on social media and never have been, so there's that: to spot counterfeits, don't spend time with the fakes; spend time with the real thing. Being away from sound bites and short form content helps a lot. That doesn't mean it isn't AI, only that it did not read so to me.
I also look for what I personally call "idea richness," the cumulative number of separate (related or unrelated to the primary) concepts and ideas that are interwoven into the text but are not presented as part of a list or itemized rebuttal. To me, that richness is part of what makes something worth reading: does it introduce secondary images and ideas? Metaphors and similes? Bring unrelated ideas and concepts into contrast? Use the five senses? Include technically unimportant but still related lived experience? Demonstrate a wide and curious intellectual history? I could go on, but you get the point. Does it add tarragon to the fish?
AI fails miserably at all that. AI at this time could not actually write this comment, no matter how well it was prompted, because it is an exploration of one person's lived and felt experience. AI is a pattern recognizer, not a human feeler, senser, and wildly imperfect thinker like me. In terms of idea richness, OP's text didn't pass and didn't fail that one for me, so I defaulted to not-AI.
Speaking of which, anymore (and I might be odd for my age because only the young people are telling me the same) along with all the above I am starting to get a felt sense of revulsion for AI content, one that I chalk up to my putting so much effort over time into detecting the human content, taken in addition to my burgeoning aversion to the fake. I have a great foundation for spotting counterfeit prose because I have read so much real prose, but my revulsion to it is growing apace with learning to spot it. The young people I know (high school, early college) are telling me they feel the same, though for them it's more about hearing it in music than reading it in text.
It will be interesting to see what happens next, because as possible as it is that AI is moving toward content that is superficially indistinguishable from human product, it is also possible in some vague way that none of us can wholly explain yet that humans are also becoming capable of detecting non-human content by purely animal means.
And you're right, I was getting offended, but you are not the correct target. Thank you for taking the time to reply in earnest. I appreciate it.
No idea why you're being down voted, Nobunaga is a well-known slop account.
This is older than ai
It's from August 2026.
The account was created in 2023 and the description reads:
Yes, even switched from AI to SI when Trump ordered it.
It's written like Raymond Carver or Charles Burkowski.