Volkswagen Group delivers 6 million vehicles through September - Around 40 percent of the order book in Europe are all-electric models
https://www.volkswagen-group.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-group-delivers-6-million-vehicles-through-september-around-40-percent-of-the-order-book-in-europe-are-all-electric-models-20737Open linkView original on feddit.org
22 replies
Honestly what I don't understand is: why are 60% still not fully electric? Given the current situation I would expect that number to be much higher.
Years of anti EV propaganda. It is pretty bad.
Because not everyone can recharge it. Most of the people live outside the big cities, where there are few charging station (if any) or there is no way to recharge the car directly from your home.
Outside big cities there are more people owning property who can charge at home. Anecdotal evidence suggests it's mostly boomers who value the flexibility of driving over 1000km in a row who are still buying cars with combustion engines. Are they ever driving that far? No. But they could in some kind of arcane emergency.
we are talking about Europe here and not the US - the charging infrastructure in basically all of europe is fantastic by now, basically every supermarket parking lot has a fast charger by now ...
Yes, and I suppose you are willing to lose an afternoon to go to a supermarket 30 km away to just recharge your car.
I have no doubt that in the cities it is true, but not everyone live in a city.
In fact about 60% of European people do not live in a big city, where a supermarket maybe is not even near.
This is a screenshot from EV Maps:
that's a completly rural area here in Austria and still there are charger everywhere - and I have to go shopping at least once a week anyway and the time I spend in the shop is enough to get the charge I need, there is no time lost there. In fact I would lose more time if I had to go to the gas station ...
In a rural area I am afraid that you would need the car more than the single time you go shopping every week.
They are more expensive. I think people already spend too much on a car so spending even more is difficult. Its either that or picking a smaller/more basic car.
Not if you do the math of 8+ year ownership with fuel costs.
Having a charging point at home is also a issue. If you live in a apartment, you can request that whoever owns the building installs a charger. If you rent, thats even more difficult to get done. If you own your own house, you'll have to install one. Or I guess you could use the regular power coming out of the wall, but AFAIK thats quite slow?
We really need to tie car ownership to renting or owning a parking space near a persons primary residence. That would avoid that problem and also prevents people in large cities, who really do not need a car to buy one and have it park on a public road for ages.
Maybe. I'd rather focus on making public transportation and pedestrian infrastructure so good that people don't even want to drive a car. Luckily I live in such a city, its not perfect of course, but its good enough that I waved good bye to my car last Saturday. I realised that the one or two times per year that I actually need a car, I need it for like a week. I can just rent a car, or borrow from someone, when the need comes. Other than that, I'll just walk or ride the bus/tram.
Wall power will give you 2kW/hr on 120V AC, 3.5kw/hr on 220V. So you could charge a battery overnight on 220V external wall outlet.
But the reality is EVs are not optimal for apartment renters unless municipalities change the codes.
True. Its an investment of sort.
They are not that much more expensive. Considering prices for new combustion cars…
In EU, many options for EVs from 19,000 to 25,000 euro. ICEs cost about the same.
If you just bought a fossil fueled car, you probably don't have many options money wise.
My next car will be a full electric one for sure.
If bought a new fossil fueled car, especially a higher priced model, I don’t believe money is the problem.
EV do not fit with everyone's lifestyle and the reliability of VW EVs is a concern.
The solution to carbon issues does not have to be binary.
And the reliability of VW combustion vehicles is not?
VW ID s have been rife with software issues and battery fires.
ie:
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/vw-id4-battery-fire-recall-canada-us/