It's kind of the goal in this case. Balancing between making gas exports for Russia harder and less rewarding, while maintaining some import to EU somehow so EU citizens don't freeze and economy keeps producing. It's more a political geopolitical game than a capitalist one in this case.
I think the bigger issue than the route is that countries reselling will hold back supply when push comes to shove. Turkey or India aren't going to send diesel to Europe when their own economies need it.
This also happens the other way around. It is now prohibited to sell lot of industrial goods to russia, so the goods are sold to indian companies who then will sell them to russia.
The US geopolitical strategy of trying to sanction Russia while starting a trade war with China and saber-rattling over Taiwan and then being shocked when China doesn't participate in the sanctions is genuinely bizarre. It really leads me to believe that the powers that be just have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
I mean, I guess if you want to understand the mentality, you can just talk to the average lib, they'd absolutely do the same because they aren't capable of thinking beyond, "country bad." And saying it might be a bad strategy to push rivals towards each other by giving them a common enemy is surely enough to brand me a "tankie" and dismiss everything I say. When I put it that way, it's not really surprising that the people in the halls of power are on the same brainrot.
That's how sanctions generally work, is mostly impossible to cut off trade entirely, but it imposes costs of around 20% or more, which does impact the balance sheets of the sanctioned country and improves competitiveness of other sources
It's pretty clear that the cost imposed on Europe is far higher than the cost imposed on Russia. The reality of the situation is that there is a constant demand for Russian exports, and it's not hard to find buyers. Meanwhile, Europe cut itself off from its main supplier, and then the US cut Europe off from Gulf oil. So, Europe is now paying for energy through the nose, and it sits downstream from the intermediaries. When push comes to shove, countries will save oil and gas for their own use leaving Europeans out in the cold.
Sure, fossil fuels need to be phased out, but that's going to be a decades long process. The only country that's trying to do that at scale right now is China, and even after rolling out renewables on an absolutely mindbogglingly scale, they still rely on fossil fuels for roughly half their energy. Europe hasn't even started taking any meaningful action in this direction.
individuals who come to the conversation dehumanizing others will and imo should face pushback on their bullshit. bigotry done jokingly is still bigotry. i find it cowardly to reply to valid pushback with "i was just joking you guys". you are free to do what you want though, but that will only make you hang around more at the nazi bar (i'm talking about your instance of choice, if it wasn't clear) and the reactionary echo chamber inherent in such places. i guess if .ml users being insufferable to you is a common occurence, the problem could be you and your claims, such as this. i'd also suggest trying to learn some humility and maybe engage in some self-criticism while your at it. good luck with your deprogramming!
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Think of all the extra capitalism that is happening by adding additional layers of transport and management.
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It's kind of the goal in this case. Balancing between making gas exports for Russia harder and less rewarding, while maintaining some import to EU somehow so EU citizens don't freeze and economy keeps producing. It's more a political geopolitical game than a capitalist one in this case.
Unironically true, China is doing a big capitalism here
this meme is exaggerating for comedic effect; there are much shorter routes which can also make it good gas. (eg)
I think the bigger issue than the route is that countries reselling will hold back supply when push comes to shove. Turkey or India aren't going to send diesel to Europe when their own economies need it.
This also happens the other way around. It is now prohibited to sell lot of industrial goods to russia, so the goods are sold to indian companies who then will sell them to russia.
Pretty sure Russia buys vast majority of industrial goods it can't make itself from China.
The US geopolitical strategy of trying to sanction Russia while starting a trade war with China and saber-rattling over Taiwan and then being shocked when China doesn't participate in the sanctions is genuinely bizarre. It really leads me to believe that the powers that be just have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
I mean, I guess if you want to understand the mentality, you can just talk to the average lib, they'd absolutely do the same because they aren't capable of thinking beyond, "country bad." And saying it might be a bad strategy to push rivals towards each other by giving them a common enemy is surely enough to brand me a "tankie" and dismiss everything I say. When I put it that way, it's not really surprising that the people in the halls of power are on the same brainrot.
Yeah you sure know more than the world leaders 😉
Yes.
I'm grabbing my popcorn for the comments.
That's how sanctions generally work, is mostly impossible to cut off trade entirely, but it imposes costs of around 20% or more, which does impact the balance sheets of the sanctioned country and improves competitiveness of other sources
It's pretty clear that the cost imposed on Europe is far higher than the cost imposed on Russia. The reality of the situation is that there is a constant demand for Russian exports, and it's not hard to find buyers. Meanwhile, Europe cut itself off from its main supplier, and then the US cut Europe off from Gulf oil. So, Europe is now paying for energy through the nose, and it sits downstream from the intermediaries. When push comes to shove, countries will save oil and gas for their own use leaving Europeans out in the cold.
Good non-gas from not-Russia:
And unless you're in France, how do you think the electricity gets generated to power it?
![Strommix Schweiz, from energie-umwelt.chEdit: scratch that. But how about on or two AI data centers less?
Switzerland is part of the EU now?
Who says it is?
Ok, explain the relevance of you linking to Swiss energy mix then.
That your argument that you need gas power in the energy mix is invalid. That bit we have is only a historical remnant being phased out.
Edit: ok, not entirely invalid: current situation is that a lot of countries rely significantly on gas power. I think i get your point.
Sure, fossil fuels need to be phased out, but that's going to be a decades long process. The only country that's trying to do that at scale right now is China, and even after rolling out renewables on an absolutely mindbogglingly scale, they still rely on fossil fuels for roughly half their energy. Europe hasn't even started taking any meaningful action in this direction.
Better this way, than attacking an oil-rich country on the grounds that it has weapons of mass destruction
Except that Europe is actively aiding and abetting the US in the war on Iran.
EVERYONE WHO DEFIES MY LIBERAL BUBBLE IS A FOREIGN AGENT
I also love how libs always dehumanize everyone one who disagrees with them like the fascists that they are.
Bro I m not liberal I m a extreme leftist but thx for removing my humoristic comment you just proove that .ml instance are insufferable
I don't know man, sounds like something a Russian bot would say to try and blend in
you should stop surrounding yourself with the reactionaries at the nazi bar, then. it seems they're affecting your psyche
Well I will just mute / block .ml server because again you are insufferable and I am not even against your politic view.
individuals who come to the conversation dehumanizing others will and imo should face pushback on their bullshit. bigotry done jokingly is still bigotry. i find it cowardly to reply to valid pushback with "i was just joking you guys". you are free to do what you want though, but that will only make you hang around more at the nazi bar (i'm talking about your instance of choice, if it wasn't clear) and the reactionary echo chamber inherent in such places. i guess if .ml users being insufferable to you is a common occurence, the problem could be you and your claims, such as this. i'd also suggest trying to learn some humility and maybe engage in some self-criticism while your at it. good luck with your deprogramming!
bye now, don't come back faker