Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin aren’t doing Vice President JD Vance any favors as the 2028 presidential election looms. The duo—both mentors to Vance—appear to be having a contest to see who can be more outrageous and shocking in public.

Thiel, who has embarked on a new career as the world’s premier Antichrist enthusiast, ignited a firestorm of controversy last month by praising the virtues of evil. During an interview in his native Germany, the Palantir billionaire said being evil is … “maybe kind of good.”

“So I'm going to get in trouble for what I'm about to say, but I think we moralize...way too much,” said Thiel in an interview with Mathias Döpfner, CEO of media giant Axel Springer SE. “And there's always a question I like to ask: what is the antonym of good? The moral antonym is evil; the functional antonym is bad. A Ferrari is an ‘evil’ car because it doesn’t get many miles per gallon. A Trabi is a ‘bad’ car—it works, it's less good than a golf cart, you know, the former East German car.”

“And so, if you're evil, you're at least competent,” said Thiel. “And if you’re evil, you’re not bad, and therefore you’re actually maybe kind of good, because you’re at least getting something done.”