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My biggest criticism is the lack of acknowledgement of HOW the work week was reduced. Maybe you addressed this in the end, I didn't finish all of the article. But, we literally had armed militant workers fighting for these things.

We also has a work force of mostly men subjugated by capital; and woman as house slaves subjugated by patriarchy.

As the ruling class attempts to erode the progress of the working class; I don't think it is helpful to hold onto to a narrative of "it was worse back then" to attempt to normalize it being "better" as material conditions decline again today.

Workers, civil rights activist, and feminist resisted and bled for the progress that was made. If we don't continue to resist and fight for what they did we do not respect them. It is not meaningful to look at the past and be satisfied with the progress that those that fought for it were not done fighting for.

Do we think MLK was satisfied with social progress when he was shot in cold blood? History classes definitely want us to think so.

The major flaw in the article is

the distance between today and 2100 will be at least as large

And shows a misunderstanding of history and a bias towards the narratives of how capitalism is a beacon for "progress". It is not. And the world we see today is repeating itself.

The current historical analysis points to a major lack in the story. That between 1900 and 2000 there were multiple world wars that look the lives of millions and millions.

As someone living in that period now. I think learning how to avoid mass suffering is far more important than some spreadsheet that tells me anyhow productive we've become.

Edit: I read to the end. You did address some of what I said. But you should really open with "it was fought for by people that refused the 60 hour work week" and not wait for deep in the article for a fundamental part. I'll leave my comment because its still ok for discussion. But I think we probably agree more than I initially read from.

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[...] the lack of acknowledgement of HOW the work week was reduced. Maybe [...]

I gently touched. I didn't want to focus on the blood and gore, but on a otimistic (naive even) of the future, and our relation with the past. But you are totally right, and referencing the last part of the blog (where I try to conclude it)

[...] Child labour didn’t end because factories became kind, they never are. [...]

So I totally agree with you.


The major flaw in the article is

the distance between today and 2100 will be at least as large

And shows a misunderstanding of history and a bias towards the narratives of how capitalism is a beacon for “progress”.[...]

Ouch, this is harsh... But I love it.

I know that the people in this community would have a more averse view on the topic of capitalism, and we should already had overcome this system like we did with the older ones. And focused in a system that favor a better outcome of the most, instead of luxury for a very few.

But on the same token, we can blame as much as we want the older generation, this wont change their decisions, we need to acknowledge their wrong doing, and prepare a plan that will attempt to avoid this.

For example, do not fucking start a 3 world war. Some even say that we already have multiple world wars after the second one, but they weren't directly on Europe/USA, so it's not "worth mentionting"

(Just to be clear, I don't like war in any sense, and I think war is wrong, it's a failure of our leaders)


[...] Edit: I read to the end. You did address some of what I said. But you should really open with “it was fought for by people that refused the 60 hour work week”

I like this. And I'm inclined to actually change the text.

I'm averted to change the text since I prefer to keep my own mistakes visible, but some stuff is too good to left behind.

Also, thanks for reading.
And looks like we agree a fair lot.

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