Poll: Approval of Socialism at Record High as Capitalist Principles Hit New Lows
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Step 1: Make healthcare unaffordable so companies can make lots of extra money.
Step 2: Call people who want to provide basic things like adequate healthcare socialists or communists.
Step 3: ?????
Step 4:
Lose the electionProfit!!!The capitalists can't lose the election since both parties are bought and paid for.
We need strong 3rd parties.
And many more representatives so that they can be more representative of the population.
Third parties are immediately quashed by the machine.
Like them or not, DSA candidates have the right of it; infiltrate the parties and effect changes from within. You cannot simply erase one of the two parties without a vast majority responding to the blatant power grab violently.
Unless you want a full blow violent revolution. In which case do you boo boo, but I would much rather a more peaceful solution for my children to witness.
I, for one, would return to protesting if it were a full blow revolution. 🤷🏼♂️
If by "third-party", you assume the dismantling of the initial two, maybe.
Let's bring back the Bull Moose party!
Can't hit zero if you're already nonexistent. 🤌🏼
The poll results are pretty interesting:
I mean it’s become obvious that capitalism isn’t benefiting anyone but the rich at this point so it’s natural for people to look for something else. 🤷
Kind of a misleading headline and article. Literally, the survey they're citing just asked randos "What do you think of [political ideology/topic]?" and reported the rates of responses. It doesn't account for how "socialism" is a nebulous term colloquially, or that welfare liberals have readily appropriated many socialist talking points and rhetoric. This is more accurately read as, "Americans don't like big business, take 'socialism' as an alternative; oh also it went down among the purportedly more 'leftist' Dem voters."
These are different questions. We can survey people about specific policies (which happen to be socialistic) and those rates will be much much higher. But that’s not what we are currently asking.
Okay, so what do these results tell us, exactly? That there are Americans in this sample who like "small business" more than "big business," what does that do?
"This article is so misleading! All they did was survey people to ask if they approve of the thing and then directly report how many of them approve of the thing. How dare they
obtain a representative sample"ask randos". I mean for crying out loud, they didn't even lead the respondents based on assumptions I've made about their knowledge! And the fact it went very marginally down among Democrats somehow negates that it shot up among independents, making it even misleadingerer!!"Ah, yes, and your brilliant insight explains why, uh:
"I looked at the graph for three seconds and saw clear as day that those two trend lines intersected, which has to mean they're being substituted."
I can even guess why it went down among democrats. A lot of socialists probably started reporting themselves as independents after what the establishment did.
Look at you making the same mistakes. Hey, what about anything you said address the issues with perception of "socialism" as it exists in American culture, which was the main issue? The results don't mean anything because they asked the participants to apply their own understanding to the terms. What the fuck does that do?
They could have asked based on specific policies, values, talking points, etc., but they simplified it to generic, undefined terms. This is populist vibe reading, nothing substantial. You think this sample could tell the difference between welfare liberalism and socialism?
It literally tells us their own perception of the terms. The information you’re demanding is different, and there’s an obvious and interesting discrepancy between the favorability of certain policies versus the language used to describe them.
The purpose of polls is not to educate people. It’s to figure out what they think in their dumb misinformed animal minds.
Unironically very funny to talk down about people's dumb animal minds while actively misunderstanding the usability of a survey based on vibes without accounting for vibes.