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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I wonder what % of Republican boomers that support the war in Iran also refused, in one way or another, to fight in Vietnam.

Would be an interesting stat to see.

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lemmy.world

That was a pretty common evolution they went through. My mom was a free love hippie that is now basically a Nazi. She can't understand why I cut her out of my life.

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SkunkWorkzreply
lemmy.world

The hippie to fascist pipeline is real. Their tendency to distrust the establishment means they also fall for typical fascists tactics like putting the blame on the establishment and a secret cabal in power for all their problems. Like in my country during Covid lockdowns these so called “spiritual” people voted for the blatantly fascist party.

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That sounds plausible, but I don't think that's the case for my mom. I think she was just going with the trend, trying to be in the "in group". I can say with 100% certainty a big part of her Nazi transition is the lack of empathy that she has.

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Most well-to-do and simultaneously selfish generation of people in human history?

Quite likely.

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discuss.tchncs.de

No the final fuck your is when they leave whatever money they have left to their goddamn church.

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

Until class traitors (boomers) spend decades voting against your future interests.

The class war is the priority, but it's ok to be mad at assholes pulling up the ladder behind them.

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Considering the complete lack of correlation between issues that voters care about and the policies that politicians actually enact, I don’t think that merely voting makes boomers blameworthy.

Studies have repeatedly shown that politicians in both parties do not act in accordance with what their voters want, so clearly voting does not affect policy.

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And unfortunately part of that working class are class traitors who vote against the rest of our interests as they pull the ladder up behind them.

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Cethinreply
lemmy.zip

No, you can't clarify, or no, it wasn't satire?

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lemmy.world

They were oblivious to the derogatory use of the word ni**ah. They have a church in a mostly black community where the churchgoing youth was dwindling so they made a rap video to address the local youth in a way they thought was fitting and hoped that young people would attend the sermons more. The local community enjoyed it because the couple didn't do it bad spirited. They profusely apologized for using the n-word, and explained what they were hoping to achieve.

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The Dallas Observer also criticized the song, saying: "it's cheesy. It's bad. It's painful." It described the song as having a negative impact on public perception of Christian rap.

If anything this video probably improved the public perception by associating it with something lighthearted and fun.

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sh.itjust.works

This isn't accurate. They are also calling us lazy and saying we don't want to work hard.

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NotAnOtterreply
lemmus.org

The older I get and the more I understand that boomers had literally it the easiest out of any one in history the more salty I get over them calling millennials & gen Z lazy all those years.

All you stupid oldies had to do was put like 2% of your paycheck into any index over your career and you would be rich AF right now. Which, is exactly why so many boomers are fucking loaded right now and old a historically disproportionate amount of wealth for the generation.

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

any one in history

I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and I think it's accurate. No doubt they worked, but they live in the modern age with modern luxuries and probably the best large scale economic climate ever for a single generation. So many boomers are so financially sound it's almost comical. RV's fucking everywhere. 2nd homes. It's like a slap in our faces.

I'm speaking about American boomers specifically. Especially since they seem so deadset on pulling the ladder up behind them.

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Exactly. The standard QoL between 1800, 1900, and 2000 is immense. But between 1970/80/90/00/10/20 - it all feels extremely similar or even a bit worse. Cars vs Horse was a big change to out QoL, Landline vs iPhone is arguably lateral or only slightly up. And I feel the same can be said for the majority of innovations over the last 30 years... Like they're nice sure, but they didn't really revolutionize our QoL like the generation prior to the boomers experienced.

Bomers got it "as good as it got" up to now, but weer able to enjoy the average bull run of the last 50 years. Meanwhile younger generations are entering right as it started to taper off.

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I mean I'm voting to help them every possible chance I get. Something that appears to be anathema to the boomer generation.

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currently working at a non-profit for subpar wages to help zoomers and gen alpha afford college, wtf are you doing oh so "holier than thou?"

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Paying taxes that fund public education despite not having kids? Supporting politicians who want to make our public education system more robust and performant? Supporting politicians and policies to attempt to combat climate change? Giving money to causes related to the above even though I don't (and will never) have kids?

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Jyekreply
sh.itjust.works

So... Contributing the bare minimum to society?

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My god you are a massive fucking asshole.

You must be a blast at the parties no one invites you to.

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Who the hell are you to judge what they can or should be doing? They might not have the means, time, or health to do more. Get out of here with that high horse.

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Not having kids, my bloodline ideally ends with me. At my age my mother already had me and was pregnant with a second child she couldn't care for, I'm 26 and soon to be 27. I'm hoping I die an irrelevant, ignoble, and funny death.

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And for the colonial child trafficking genocidal apartheid state of Israel. For the third time

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lemmy.zip

And honestly, at this point if you go to a local Democratic party meeting, see a bunch of protesters on the side of the road, or meet with the local liberal or progressive organization's members -- the majority of the most active members will be boomers in a huge portion of the country. Outside of the cities and/or the odd left-leaning rural area, young people don't seem to get involved.

So, to blame the problems on just that generation but also all of that generation is just wrong.

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I think this isn't because boomers are the only ones who care about politics, but more because boomers are more likely to be retired now and have free time to do this stuff. I agree that generational warfare is stupid

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lemmy.zip

Yea, there was that Power to the People concert in my county this weekend. All the acts and seemingly most of the concert-goes were 40+. Same as the No Kings protest crowds.

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40+ are Millennials. Millennials are defined as 30 to 45. Gen x are 46 to 60 and Boomers are 61+.

Millennials grew up with Bush II and saw their country change after 9/11. Younger groups don't understand what not living in a surveillance state is even like. It's their normal.

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I'm too busy working my 12 hour shift to afford the small house I got luckily 9 years ago...

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Sidenote about local democrats--- they're disgusting. A loop up only propping up their favorite candidates, using their influence to push around elections despite being a limited amount of people many with bad takes, and intentionally they have their candidates run with hidden views so that they win on popularity alone.

Like, still do it though because there's really only upsides to influencing them, but just ugh.

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lemmy.world

Yep, they have the opportunity to build bridges, but they choose to build walls and gatekeep.

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lemmy.world

Seems to me you can handle it one of two ways.

One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease. And then you yourself won't have any safety net when you're that age.

Two, you can focus on the class struggle. Focus on weakening the billionaires who control us and who made up this bullshit in the first place. Target income inequality, access to services, and draconian employment practices. Begin the century-long transformation of capitalism. This is the harder road.

So which one will do more good?

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One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease.

I mean we can place warranted blame on them without murdering them.

I can simultaneously fight the class war while calling out asshole class traitors who are pulling the ladder up behind them. It's not like they're going to join forces with us. They've made it abundantly clear they're planning on fucking us over all the way to the grave.

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sp3ctr4lreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

The one that will do the most good is holding guilty parties accountable, instead of presenting a non sequitir strawman.

People rightly hate boomers as a group because they are largely entitled spoiled brats who call everyone else entitled spoiled brats.

They are largely the living embodiment of moral hazard who deem themselves inherently correct and reasonable while being obviously short sighted hypocrites, who have indeed caused their children massive sanity/psychic damage to the point that its now a widespread practice for kids to cut off all contact with their boomer parents. They are the 'fuck you, I got mine' generation. They are the weak men who create hard times, while thinking themselves to be the strong men who create good times.

WASP Boomers are also the group that is actually most responsible for driving up housing prices and destroying the economy and society in that way. They consistently voted for NIMBY construction and tax policies. Most second+ homes are owned by Boomer 'Mom and Pop' landlords, not actually private equity firms. Yes the Boomers did create the political environment that gave rise to PE RE firms by voting to effrctively disenfranchise non WASP non Boomers, as well as destroy traditional pensions and replace them with 401ks, but they also are the most likely group to personally own a few other homes or have house flipped a number of times.

Yes, we should have actual policy responses that specifically target these and other specific anti social economic practices and tax them into non viability, but we can't, at least not at a national level, because of the dysfunctional government voted for, for decades, by Boomers.

The current crop of billionaires are the inevitable result of the Boomer mindset codified into formal societal rules. Yes we should specifically tax billionaires out of existence, but we also need to dismantle the systems that allow for billionaires to arise in the first place.

Presenting a dichotomy of 'kill all boomers and abolish social safety nets' vs 'tax billionaires and do class struggle' is a laughable misdirect.

What would actually do more good is a combination of in depth and honest economic and tax policy reform, wealth taxes and such, accompanied by acknowledging the fact that many Boomers have been abusive hypocritical sociopathic narcissists in every dimension of their lives and have caused considerable direct harm to people personally.

The zeitgeist of Boomer hate is never going to end until Boomers collectively take accountability for the harm they've caused, economic and psychological.

The Boomers do not get to spend their whole lives playing at being rugged individualists while actually consistently rigging the system for their own preferential treatment, and then when that largely fails them because they got out sharked by better sharks, then get to play the "we're all in this together guys" card.

No. We'd be idiots to trust Boomers not to continue to act selfishly while disguising their self serving greed behind a different rhetorical justification. All the Boomers have ever collectively shown themselves to be is arrogant selfish lying assholes who will betray you when its benefits them personally, and then belittle you for not seeing that coming.

I'll believe a Boomer is serious about class struggle when they actively advocate for something like exponentially increasing marginal property tax rates on home values, for personal or business ownership... when they commit to actually mandating their own outsized wealth be redistributed to those with less.

Instead what we see in the most Boomer over represented areas is ... total repeal of property taxes.

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lemmy.today

Obviously the latter. But I need to make fun of older Americans who lost the plot for my mental health

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chlorokenreply
lemmy.ml

Ageism and liberals, name a more iconic duo.

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name a more iconic duo.

Boomers and fucking over everyone else for their own benefit.

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You're slowing down today. Only 6 replies? Must be a hard day at work in the "pretend to be a socialist" factory

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lemmy.today

I appreciate you speaking truth to situation. It's easy for me to get caught up in the rage, so I at least owe some emotional honesty

I saw wildmimic in this thread too and know they're kind of on the same page

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It is super easy for you to get caught up in rage, as I have demonstrated myriad times. Lmao.

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k0e3reply
lemmy.ca

TacoButtPlug wasn't the one spewing truth btw.

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NABDadreply
lemmy.world

Ok... Is it a butt plug made out of tacos, a butt plug in a taco, or a butt plug for when you're having tacos?

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As a millennial I find it a little funny whenever someone says that type of stuff about Gen Z, because they used to say that about us. I hate to tell you but the people that get into power are almost always the shit heads. It's not a generational thing. It's a wealth and privilege thing. The future Gen Z leaders will be the same entitled out-of-touch shitheads that they always are.

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boonhetreply
lemmy.zip

Boomers own 52% of the country, they ARE the class struggle. Over 55s together over 70%. I don't think anyone in gen Z is operating under the assumption they could ever retire anyway? They're not pumping out enough babies to fund their retirement. Neither are us millennials.

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This is a logical error.

Over 55s own about 73%

What this number establishes is that a significant portion of the owning class is over 55. What it doesn’t show is that the boomers are the ownership class. If one guy over 55 owns 75% of the country, you still end up with

Over 55s own about 73%

being true. You’re focussing on the wrong group of people.

Here's a fact:

Households with a white householder hold roughly 80% of the nation's total wealth

Does this mean we should be mad at white people?

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One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease. And then you yourself won’t have any safety net when you’re that age.

Gen Z doesn't need to be in power for this. The actual boomers are doing this on their way out.

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  • Send Trump and cronies to the Hague for war crimes.
  • Expell Israeli ambassador and diplomatic personnel.
  • Disband AIPAC; try citizens on their board for treason.
  • Keep all the social safety nets, and fund it by eviscerating billionaires with wealth taxes.
  • Break up and nationalize big-tech like Theodore Roosevelt, a (gasp) Republican.
  • Introduce age ceilings and term limits for every elected office in the United States.
  • Mandate rank-choiced voting, undo all gerry-mandering.
  • Release Epstein files.

Watch boomers mald and rejoice in schädenfreude.

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lemmy.zip

I honestly don't care about anything anymore. I just wear the same 6 or 7 pairs of sweatpants everyday and at the end of the week I wash them and start over. This is how I mark the passage of time.

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I've just mastered being poor. So I can afford things and it doesn't make sense. Like applegate farms chicken nuggets.

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lemmy.world

I know about a half dozen younger people who voted for Trump, believing him to actually be the Senator Armstrong-type person the meme war made him out to be.

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lemmy.today

No, you're right. He landslided the 20-30 age range that year because he went on their shows and focused on them

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

If by landslided you mean not even close to a landslide and that he lost that demographic, yeah sure

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To be fair, whoever plotted the X axis of the chart did their very best to make it as unintuitive as possible.

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NABDadreply
lemmy.world

It looks like the only age group that didn't increase support for Trump in 2024 compared to 2016 was 65+.

Am I reading that right?

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lemmy.today

You are correct. Which would make the only group who didn't sell us out the literal actual boomers. Well, not more than usual anyway

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In my experience Boomers are basically all cemented in their position, for example the single most feral leftie I've ever met was an old ass biker boomer who apparently hung out with the black Panthers as a teen and basically wanted to murder ever president since Johnson. Meanwhile I've never met a rightwing boomer who could have their mind changed regardless of whatever logic chain you use, I've had more conductive arguments with neo-nazis since at least they try to argue rather than effectively just going nuh-uh.

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lemmy.today

Actually we were just talking about this further down. Somebody called me on my shit and it turns out +65 or older voted exactly the same as in 2020. From other age groups many switched sides to Maga except 18-30 who voted Maga instead of staying home like usual

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chlorokenreply
lemmy.ml

You getting called out is a daily occurrence eh?

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Yeah, buddy that's life. Some of us are pretty adjusted to it. You're taking it extra well though 😉

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lemmy.world

The elected officials sending everyone off to die for war are often older than boomers. It's a rich and powerful group more than a generational group.

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Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Lyrics from War Pigs, Black Sabbath (1970)

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lemmy.today

You're right. I've got maga-headed boomers in my life I want to take it out on though and posting memes is how I give that desire an outlet

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I mean it probably would be more productive to add "MAGA Boomers" (or more accurately "Capitalist Boomers") in an effort to make it clearer whom your ire is with.

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You're probably right. It isn't actually my meme but I should get in the habit of tweaking them

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wpb
lemmy.world

This is your reminder that division along age or generation lines is as much of a distraction as division along race lines is. The real division is between who works for a living and who owns for a living. Simple as that. Sadly, the owning also includes owning the media and politicians (why yes, also most democrats), so there’s not much you can do either way. Get used to not owning a home.

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boonhetreply
lemmy.zip

Boomers own 52% of the country. Over 55s own about 73%. They ARE the ownership class. Billionaires are a minority of that class both by numbers and by assets. And most of the billionaires themselves are old fucks.

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Over 55s own about 73%

Ok, so what this number establishes is that a significant portion of the owning class is over 55. What it doesn't show is that the boomers are the ownership class. If one guy over 55 owns 75% of the country, you still end up with

Over 55s own about 73%

being true. You're focussing on the wrong group of people.

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It doesn't matter how many billionaires there are, they are the ones who rule because they are billionaires. Your figures mean fuckall in the grand scheme of the wealth and power of billionaires.

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lemmy.ml

The final fuck you is when they reverse mortgage the house and blow through their entire net worth, maybe leaving enough to cover the retirement home, before kicking the bucket and leaving their kids with fuck all.

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My Silent Gen parents packed the entirety of their priceless antiquarian book collection, and spent a bundle sending it to their book dealer friends in the UK. All to keep their "ungrateful children" from getting it.

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darkdemizereply
sh.itjust.works

So, I totally understand the mindset you're coming from. But if they built their fortune through years of labor, are they not entitled to spend or give it as they see fit?

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lemmy.world

Government subsided single family home purchase programs, subsidized highways, gasoline half the cost compared to the developed world and retirement accounts. Yep all their own effort.

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darkdemizereply
sh.itjust.works

And they instituted those systems themselves? They can't act on policy that impacts them when their only input is a vote or two?

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They did everything in their power to remove those social benefits by voting in conservatives who took everything away.

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Sure, but having the right doesn't make it right. Know what I mean?

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To the Boomers who are chill and hate capitalism as much as we do: I'm sorry you're getting blamed for the politicians' actions.

To the Zoomers and other young people, particularly in : I don't see any reason why we're not gonna end up in the same boat as the Boomers when we grow old. You are not unlearning the capitalist distortions passed onto you by your elders; you take defense contractor, finance, police, and military work with just as much ignorance as prior generations; you still do not oppose imperialism; and you know about climate change and Epstein and you still refuse to take up arms against capitalists and the State. (Like the Boomers, if you do not fit this description, my ire is not with you! But it is almost certainly with your friends, your family, your coworkers, and your neighbors.)

Frankly, it's gonna be just like the Boomers: the good ones are being crushed by capitalism in silence and forgotten. If you're wondering where most of the good Boomers are, check the cemeteries. Same with Zoomers. I see it happen every day. And when we do grow old, the vast majority of us are gonna mostly be conservative weirdos with rich backgrounds who abused their way to the top in a system designed to reward only abuse, because the rest of us will have been killed off.

And for everyone: your generation is not special. Every generation has their own unique challenges, some are harder than others, but you are not somehow magically exempted from developing the same oppressive behaviors of previous generations unless and until you spend the time unlearning capitalist distortions and obliterating the systems that instill capitalist distortions.

Give Zoomers a few more years and I guaran-fucking-tee you our politicians are gonna be milquetoast neoliberals just like the rest because we haven't actually learned a goddamn thing from our suffering, because suffering doesn't teach you shit, and because Zoomer capitalists are still capitalists and therefore exert bourgeois class solidarity over any solidarity they might have with their generation or any other subset of the proletariat.

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I mean I get what you're saying. Economic desperation could drive us to being greedy ladder puller uppers just like the boomers.

I don't know. Maybe. I know that I'm in my 40s and only becoming more liberal and more likely to vote to help others. And that kind of voting mentality could lead to stripping power from the ultra wealthy and clawing back some power for the middle class.

I'm not getting the impression that millennials and younger are going to be greedy on the epic scale boomers have been.

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lemmy.zip

Yeah, nah. None of us have houses and most are in the same position I'm in: I will have to work until I die. There's no retirement in my future. If anything I'll just be moving further left as I get older.

A big part of the reason that boomers are so awful is that they own all the houses and made sure their pet politicians made the value keep going up over time by limiting the amount of housing being built.

Our circumstances are so drastically different from the boomers that there's just no way we're going to be just like them. I do agree that we have to be mindful of the warnings you're mentioning, but I don't think it's even possible to follow in their footsteps. They did a thorough job pulling the ladder up.

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Yeah, nah. None of us have houses and most are in the same position I'm in: I will have to work until I die. There's no retirement in my future.

Me too lol, I'm a Zillenial.

As I have said to others: just because we suffer doesn't mean we learn anything from our suffering. Give us a few years to turn 35 and you will see capitalists our age pulling up the ladder just like our parents did, although we'll probably do it using pseudo-inclusive language and pseudo-therapy speak.

If anything I'll just be moving further left as I get older.

Yeah me too, and I absolutely believe you, but we're leftists in a leftist space. The rest of our cohort are not like us yet. In particular, we need to teach our cohort a class conscious analysis of the world, and make this proletarian class conscious position unignorable by the capitalist class.

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Rothereply
piefed.social

Yeah, nah. None of us have houses

That is not true though and it is exactly the point: The rich ones born of rich parents definitely do have houses. You are completely overlooking the class aspect in favour of nonsensical ageism.

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Riiiiight. The teeny tiny percentage of the younger generations who end up with houses will be super impactful in future elections, lol.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

That is exactly the same gripe i have with most of my GenX brethren - for a generation that was defined by punk and revolt, a surprisingly large amount of them ditched the things their generation stood for to make sure they have a good place in the rat race. I know that many did not have a lot of choices because the boomers clinge to the levers of power to this day, but to take part in their system that so many of us despised is akin to being a traitor.

And especially in the US the younger generations are more than willing to carry on the torch, radicalized by their civic religion and evangelism. Other countries are not immune, but they generally have a better understanding that what the US are doing is problematic.

I still blame the boomers. Their greed and powerlust have fucked up the planet and is still fucking up societies.

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lemmy.world

Some of the boomers were the hippies that made a big stink about ‘Nam. And the environment. Much as I think the boomer generation were spoiled kids that spent their lives grabbing money from generations before and after them, a significant part was not and will never be, and imho that goes for any generation. It’s amazing how many young people voted for Trump or Afd, for example.

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They vote for these people because of (social) media manipulation - you get one guess who the people behind this manipulation are.

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lemmy.world

When I say the it's the boomers fault I mostly mean the ones in power. Ofc the avg boomer isn't malicious, but selling their house (to a corp) they got for pennies so they can throw money into a slot machine instead of leaving it for family is a huge issue I've seen from boomers in my area.

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Yet your use of language regurgitates deliberately constructed ageism propaganda. So perhaps be more mindful of how you use it in the future, so as not to uncritically repeat their propaganda and deflect from actual meaningful class war?

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The manosphere got to gen Z, they will not get them again

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lemmy.zip

Look at the boomers too, sexual revolution, anti war hippies, now a disturbing number spend their time terrorizing people on hoa boards. I'm determined to not end up a monster like this.

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lemmy.world

Only a small % of boomers were hippies but they were able to have a huge impact on society. Many boomers were normies that haven't changed that much in their life.

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That explains a lot. My parents were hippies and so where their friends, I assumed it was most of their generation. They had a huge impact, as you said.

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nord.pub

I don’t see any reason why we’re not gonna end up in the same boat as the Boomers when we grow old.

There's a variety of very well documented reasons.

I can't be bothered enumerating everything you're ignoring to make that statement but very briefly, the next 50 years will not be as prosperous as the last 50 years as Milennials and Gen X clean up the mess left by boomers.

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I think you stopped reading where you quoted me. I am absolutely not denying that things are bad for Zoomers or even that the vast majority of us are fucked...but the ones who survive are less likely to consider themselves victims of capitalism.

Like if we don't learn to turn our criticism inwards, and we don't fight against the system so at least more anti-capitalists and victims of capitalism survive into old age...we're just gonna end up reproducing "Boomer" abuses. Yes things are worse for us, but we're so fucking callous, just as callous as the people who raised us, just as uncritical and ignorant as the people who raised us, that we're on track to reproduce all their bullshit as a group.

Just because you suffer doesn't mean you learn. As a corollary, just because you suffer more doesn't mean you learn more. Zoomers are suffering without learning. Lots of Boomers also suffered, and many were killed by capitalism in silence. You're dealing with a subset of Boomers who is increasingly likely not to feel like victims of capitalism.

I guarantee you, wait for Zoomers to turn 35 and you'll see our true colors. It's gonna be more capitalist politicians, the same old neoliberalism perhaps with a new coat of paint, same old imperialism (looking at you DSA!), same old ruining the world for everyone else. We're not fucking special. Look at our non-reaction (as a collective!) to Epstein; look at how we still work for these monsters, still pay taxes to these monsters, still door-knock for these monsters' politicians, still fight in these monsters' wars, still join these monsters' police departments. We're just as capable of being monsters as our parents, and just like in the past, the system will reward the most abusive among us.

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piefed.ca

If people are dumb enough to enlist…. They’re dumb enough to serve. And if they’re dumb enough to serve, they’re dumb enough to die pointlessly.

No one should ever serve these administrations that don’t and will not represent us.

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Replace dumb with desperate and you got it right, despite Hegseth, despite the elective war without goals or strategy, despite the conditions on the Lincoln, all branches of the US armed forces are making their recruitment quotas, where before, recruitment was beset by the obesity crisis and an epidemic of bullying, abuse and SA of the enlisted.

And FOX News has been calling for the draft and escalation specifically to thin the ranks of zoomers and alphas.

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Dumb and/or desperate is closer to the truth. Some people who join have alternatives, and choose the military because they stupidly romanticize it.

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Don't count on the draft not coming back. They're already trying to push enlistment age up.

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sh.itjust.works

The boomer generation failed to develop class consciousness. GenXers failed as well, as did the Millenials after them and the Zoomers following.

The lack of sufficient class consciousness to positively impact society actually unites every generation more than it divides.

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WraithGearreply
lemmy.world

you make it sound like a failure of the generations, and not a heavily targeted campaign that was started before the millennials were born specifically to stop them.

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Rothereply
piefed.social

It is funny how your argument regurgitates the beliefs of generational war propaganda.

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it has to start some time period, just so happens that it mostly benefits the wealthy of a particular generation, nothing more.

and you directly missed the point of my comment, problem on purpose

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I have hope this time things are different. It's hard to deny reality when it's this ridiculous.

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At least you get to board the plane early as long as you're in uniform. You still have to sit in coach, but you do get in group 1.

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sopuli.xyz

You guys know you're getting hoodwinked? Yeah, it'll do you wonders if you start hating on your elders. All of our mysery is definitely their fault. No, they're not victims of class warfare, like us, sure. Hate your elders, that'll solve everything.

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Yeah, I'm lucky, cuz I only have a 50% experience of yours. Please accept my sympathies.

Maybe I'm too angry to express myself properly, but I hate it that these types of hater posts get so much attention. And if I keep going with my rant, I'll just sound like Patrick Swayze's character from Donnie Darko.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

Our elders fucked everyone over now for the following 3.5 generations, setting our world onto a course that is nearly impossible to reverse, and all for their own comfort and enjoyment. They can go die in a fire for all i care.

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dzsimboreply
sopuli.xyz

I don't really give a shit. All I'm saying is this is the type of petty hatred that divides us. You can be a fuckin hater and spend your energies on rhat (goodness me, I am guilty of that), but hating on a generation in general is just crying over spilt milk.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

They are still clinging to power. Hard to stop hating them when they are still making the decisions.

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Yep. They could easily retire and live a happy successful retirement, in fact they SHOULD but they are literally clinging to power until they die just to make sure the people they hate are as miserable and unsuccessful as possible.

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Totally fair. I think I overshot a bit with the criticality of my comment, because it is shitty for most of us and it lacked sympathy. All I wanted to say is that we are wasting energy on hating on something we personally can't affect.

It's another thing that I saw many people from that generation craving and trying for change. Maybe that's not your experience. It can be especially hard if you have someone in the family actively believing characters like Trump, Orbán, AfD. I believe most people want what's best for them and theirs, and it's usually fear or narrow-mindedness that gets them hooked on populistic rhetoric.

I mean just look at the US politics stage. Boomers are dying out and they are surrounded by bad actors from the genX and millenial groups waiting to take over. We are losing energy on hating/blaming, all the while we are being divided into groups of age, ethnicity, religion. Who's best interest is this division?

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lemmy.world

You all collectively are dumping on boomers to satisfy a need to blame others for not having what you want or think you deserve. The right wing does the same thing only they have a greater diversity in who they hate. Lemme know how griping on social media is helping out with the situation..

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

"Hey guys, stop using a discussion forum to discuss a group of people who are provably responsible for many of your woes."

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There’s a difference between what you think I said and what I actually said. But I understand your kneejerk response. It’s often the case when someone refutes a dearly held belief such as yours and your boomer nonsense. I’m sure your “provable” complaints are every bit as solid as the right wing’s complaints about immigrants, gays, trans people, people of color, etc. Can you even define “boomer”? Does boomer include everyone born during a specific range of years? From around the world? Of color, or just one race? My definition: it’s an advertisement term for white Americans, middle class or above, born 1945-64. The abysmal voter turnout over the last half century isn’t their fault. The world not being an affordable utopia isn’t their fault either. But sure, pin all the frustrations of the modern world on one generation, nobody from the centuries before and nobody since. It sounds so simple and easy.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

But it IS mainly the boomers that are still in charge, denying the younger generations access to power and to the places where change can really happen. There are some GenX and Millenial Traitors mixed in, but the impulse for these events comes from the boomers.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

Vote them out. People complain about the elderly in Congress and then promptly vote them right back in. That enough people are considering them the best qualified is telling. Run some quality younger candidates who talk practical solutions, not idealistic boilerplate…

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Vote them out.

That starts with discussion. Discussion takes place, among other places, in forums on the internet.

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Zorquereply
lemmy.world

Just because a group is vocal doesnt mean theyre the majority.

The people complaining about age arent the ones voting for predominantly older politicians.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

I haven’t looked up voting statistics lately. Have you?

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You really should - in Austria and Germany society is aging a lot. Their demands - while often not even in the workforce anymore - are suffocating the political process wirh no recourse available for rest of us.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

If we weren't living in a rapidly aging society which gives them the majority for the next decades.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

Yeah seems like there’s a constant influx of more old people every year... Sooner than you think, you’ll be one of them. But by then you’ll blame the world on the younger generations.

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I am already old, not making that mistake yet. And the demographic curve in our country means that these days the amount of pensioners is rising at a recotd rate.

At the same time, the rich fucks in that generation are using their influence to both make sure the younger generations are paying more and more for something that becomes utterly unreachable for them, and to keep fucking up our planet.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

That’s not at all what I said, but I get it, reading is hard.

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lemmy.ml

What you said was "you're all the same as the right because they blame other people"

I'm pointing out how stupid that is, because sometimes, other people are to blame. The right just hates the wrong people.

It's not "boomers" exactly, but rather, people wealthy enough to live safe and healthy lives into old age.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

I said people, as in people in general, like to blame others. I followed that with differences between the current state of left and right wing in the U.S. And I was sarcastic about it when I used the word “diversity” in regards to the multitude of people the right hates vs the left shitting on the elderly because shitting on anyone else will be met with a great amount of scorn.

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lemmy.ml

Yes, and I pointed out that sometimes blaming others is correct, and sometimes it isn't. You can't just say "everyone likes to blame others" and pretend this is a useful insight.

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modestmemereply
lemmy.world

In the context of the post that was yet another “it’s the boomers’ fault”, generalization is just fine. Nuance and Lemmy don’t get along very well. But sure, “it’s not all ___ people” works. Just don’t phrase it that way….

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Do you not see the irony of generalizing Lemmy while trying to flatten all generalizations as being the same?

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