The other thing is that Trump is not a communist, right? But he definitely has had more of a hand in crafting a completely un-american command and control economy than anyone I can think of.
Republicans want to increase rent prices. Higher credit card interest. More expensive childcare costs. Higher prescription drug prices. Florida can't afford Republicans' economic policies.
It's literally the same game that conservatives pull whenever "the radical woke left" opposes tax caps (which don't actually lower taxes) and it has a very high rate of success with unaffiliated voters.
Realistically though, that kind of messaging "Far-Left Democrat" in this kind of environment, where Republicans have destroyed the state and federal economies for working class people, isn't intended to make people vote Republican. It's intended to make people not want to vote at all because "both sides are bad".
These assholes wouldn't know communism if it walked right up and seized their means of production. Taking care of your own people just means you're doing a good job as a government.
All those things that the meme mentions are something that the government should be looking into regardless of what economy they institute!
I'm paying $2,000 a month for a three bedroom that shouldn't cost anywhere above $1100 a month!
I went to home Depot last night bought some cockroach traps, Teflon tape a plunger and a short length of stainless steel tubing for $30. What's up on tables 98 cents the plunger was $4 the box of cockroach traps was eight bucks and the length of tubing was $15! And none of the prices make any sense!
I did 6th, 7th and 8th grade in small town Oklahoma 20 years ago so I have first hand experience. Curious to know how bad it's gotten since the advent of classroom iPads and ai, especially since they've maintained their bottom rankings.
My 8th grade geography teacher was the wrestling coach. He had a projector with slides that matched the text book, and would just scroll through then reading off the screen so class. All of our assignments were in the textbook, which also has the answers printed in them. And that is what he used to grade the assignments. I got an award for "excellence in geography" at the end of the year, but I know for a fact it's because I was in his class first in the mornings and I set up the projector for him because he didn't know how. A bunch of my classes were similarly struggling.
I feel bad for the teachers looking back, they were doing their best but had fuckall to work with.
in MS, our coach was also the art teacher in the late 90s and early 2000s, im guessing ti hasnt changed. and in HS a football coach was the math teacher,. and then one of our math teacher in HS gave up on HW becaust students wouldnt do them.
Cap top-end wages by regulating a minimum wage that can be no less than 5% of the top pay in that company, (and calling out shell companies so we don't get a situation where the CEOs' are technically "managing consultants" to avoid this rule.)
During the 1950-60s (the best period for income inequality) CEO pay was ~30x the company average. If you want to key the limit to the company minimum as percentage of maximum, something between 1-2% would get you to a good place.
edit: A possibly better option would be to tax executive compensation in a way that you don't tax payroll. Though I don't know enough to suggest the details with that.
I usually go with 3% when I pitch this idea, But since ole' Elmo the South African Goose Stepping Space Ass was an actual Trillionaire for a hot second back there, I felt a modest revision may have been more impactful.
edit: A possibly better option would be to tax executive compensation in a way that you don't tax payroll. Though I don't know enough to suggest the details with that.
That's different. That's based purely on the amount. And I'm not just talking about salary, but compensation, including stock options, expense accounts, and other benefit packages that executives get beyond salary.
That's different. That's based purely on the amount. And I'm not just talking about salary, but compensation, including stock options, expense accounts, and other benefit packages that executives get beyond salary.
I don't understand what's different then, if we both agree that the taxable base for an individual is their total compensation, not their base salary. I think we might have just talked past one another and essentially agree
These republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. When the most milquetoast reforms imaginable get called communism, it doesn’t make progressivism less popular, it just makes communism sound good.
That's right, good guy trump would never let his administration impede the market's price setting mechanism. That's why the admin totally did NOT use Euros to buy Japanese yen, or us bonds to control bond interest rates. And they definitely are not talking about diesel export bans to control the price of diesel. Good guy free market trump would NEVER do anything to mess woth good ol supply and demand! /s obviously
Calling progressives Communists and Marxists started with Hitler. Even after the war it was carried on by Fascists. From Wikipedia:
Origins
The phrase "cultural Marxism" to mean a cultural attack from the left aimed at destroying society and installing Marxism/Bolshevism can be traced back to the 1930s, appearing in the 1938 July-September volume of "British Union Quarterly", the journal of The British Union of Fascists.[11][12] The short essay claims the source of cultural Marxism is the "deracinated" nature of "city-dwelling", and the "indiscriminate toleration-psychosis of liberalism, inherent in Social-Democracy".[11][13]
It's not pointed out enough that Conservatism is Cultural Fascism.
So long as there have been communists there's been people accusing everyone to their left of being communists.
Wikipedia describes the first Red Scare as happening in 1917, after the Soviet revolution and WWI. But you can also look at labor movements before that. For example, in the Haymarket Affair in 1886, someone in a crowd threw a bomb at a police officer during a protest, which has been speculated to have been a plant. The point was to smear the whole labor movement as anarchists and communists, as violent radicals, even though many of them were not.
But we can go even further back, in 1848, the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto are:
A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?
Karl Marx himself is already talking about how every center-left opposition party is accused of being communist, and about how those same center-left parties will hurl the same accusations at parties to their left, and even against parties to their right ("reactionary adversaries").
Yes, the Nazis branded progressives as communists, and the Nazis did come up with things like "Cultural Marxism," but they were hardly the first ones in history to do it.
Damn the average magat is so uneducated they don't know the difference between communism and socialism.
It's just dumb people voting for dumb evil people.
Direct price controls like that, are generally a bad idea. Often, unintended consequences make the underlying problem worse.
For drug prices, most are created with substantial government funded research. The government could leverage that into a major patent ownership stake, then immediately license the drug for generic production.
For child care, the government could give a monthly stipend to all parents. Parents could then decide, use it for child care, or quit/cut hours to care for your kid yourself.
I'm not sure about interest rate limits; That might work. But 10% is kinda low. Maybe someplace between 15-20%. And credit cards aren't even the worst offenders. Pay day loans are much worse, with rates over 200% sometimes.
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The other thing is that Trump is not a communist, right? But he definitely has had more of a hand in crafting a completely un-american command and control economy than anyone I can think of.
So? The messaging is easy to reverse.
Republicans want to increase rent prices. Higher credit card interest. More expensive childcare costs. Higher prescription drug prices. Florida can't afford Republicans' economic policies.
It's literally the same game that conservatives pull whenever "the radical woke left" opposes tax caps (which don't actually lower taxes) and it has a very high rate of success with unaffiliated voters.
Realistically though, that kind of messaging "Far-Left Democrat" in this kind of environment, where Republicans have destroyed the state and federal economies for working class people, isn't intended to make people vote Republican. It's intended to make people not want to vote at all because "both sides are bad".
The vast majority of voters haven't studied political economy or social studies. This kind of bullshit resonates.
These assholes wouldn't know communism if it walked right up and seized their means of production. Taking care of your own people just means you're doing a good job as a government.
EXACTLY!
All those things that the meme mentions are something that the government should be looking into regardless of what economy they institute!
I'm paying $2,000 a month for a three bedroom that shouldn't cost anywhere above $1100 a month!
I went to home Depot last night bought some cockroach traps, Teflon tape a plunger and a short length of stainless steel tubing for $30. What's up on tables 98 cents the plunger was $4 the box of cockroach traps was eight bucks and the length of tubing was $15! And none of the prices make any sense!
It means you're not in danger of those people doing what people do. They've forgotten what people do.
FOX! lul
I miss when reading from top-to-bottom was standard. Now, occasionally, we have to read middle-to-bottom-to-top-to-middle.
This is typical. Overload buzzwords like "communism" and "socialism" and people think they're bad words without being able to describe why.
If only Americans could read, they might learn to vote in their own interests
Why do you think conservatives keep gutting education. And all the lowest ranking states for education vote red.
i believe even missispi or missouri was cooking the books when they said thier reading or writing was improving.
I did 6th, 7th and 8th grade in small town Oklahoma 20 years ago so I have first hand experience. Curious to know how bad it's gotten since the advent of classroom iPads and ai, especially since they've maintained their bottom rankings.
My 8th grade geography teacher was the wrestling coach. He had a projector with slides that matched the text book, and would just scroll through then reading off the screen so class. All of our assignments were in the textbook, which also has the answers printed in them. And that is what he used to grade the assignments. I got an award for "excellence in geography" at the end of the year, but I know for a fact it's because I was in his class first in the mornings and I set up the projector for him because he didn't know how. A bunch of my classes were similarly struggling.
I feel bad for the teachers looking back, they were doing their best but had fuckall to work with.
in MS, our coach was also the art teacher in the late 90s and early 2000s, im guessing ti hasnt changed. and in HS a football coach was the math teacher,. and then one of our math teacher in HS gave up on HW becaust students wouldnt do them.
Didn't Donald Trump himself talk about caping credit card interest rates? He was lying obviously but I do remember him saying it.
Cap top-end wages by regulating a minimum wage that can be no less than 5% of the top pay in that company, (and calling out shell companies so we don't get a situation where the CEOs' are technically "managing consultants" to avoid this rule.)
During the 1950-60s (the best period for income inequality) CEO pay was ~30x the company average. If you want to key the limit to the company minimum as percentage of maximum, something between 1-2% would get you to a good place.
edit: A possibly better option would be to tax executive compensation in a way that you don't tax payroll. Though I don't know enough to suggest the details with that.
I usually go with 3% when I pitch this idea, But since ole' Elmo the South African Goose Stepping Space Ass was an actual Trillionaire for a hot second back there, I felt a modest revision may have been more impactful.
Uh, that's easy. Progressive taxation, above whatever amount the % increases drastically.
That's different. That's based purely on the amount. And I'm not just talking about salary, but compensation, including stock options, expense accounts, and other benefit packages that executives get beyond salary.
Yeah, and all of these have a value that can be calculated. So tax them on the sum of their compensation + the value of the perks they receive.
Yah. That's what we're talking about. That's what I said. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
You said, when I talked about progressive tax:
I don't understand what's different then, if we both agree that the taxable base for an individual is their total compensation, not their base salary. I think we might have just talked past one another and essentially agree
Sounds like it. I assumed you were simply talking about a progressive tax for wages and salaries that we already have.
But investment funds bought whole industries, destroyed competition and pumped prices.
Government looking to the side.
These republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. When the most milquetoast reforms imaginable get called communism, it doesn’t make progressivism less popular, it just makes communism sound good.
That's right, good guy trump would never let his administration impede the market's price setting mechanism. That's why the admin totally did NOT use Euros to buy Japanese yen, or us bonds to control bond interest rates. And they definitely are not talking about diesel export bans to control the price of diesel. Good guy free market trump would NEVER do anything to mess woth good ol supply and demand! /s obviously
as if Conservatives arnt the biggest welfare queens.
And drama queens.
Honestly, Fox News is getting the word out better than most other networks.
"Nixon is to radical to represent Florida families" is a hell of a quote to run on
This tweet is extremely funny if you're aware of the fact that Richard Nixon also instituted price controls.
Nixon is, indeed, too far left to be accepted by the modern RNC.
"Communist price controls"?
America is really throwing around communism like a scary buzz word, huh?
theres enough boomers, gen-x, and right wing millineals that still watch faux news
Calling progressives Communists and Marxists started with Hitler. Even after the war it was carried on by Fascists. From Wikipedia:
It's not pointed out enough that Conservatism is Cultural Fascism.
There were absolutely red scares before Hitler.
Say more.
So long as there have been communists there's been people accusing everyone to their left of being communists.
Wikipedia describes the first Red Scare as happening in 1917, after the Soviet revolution and WWI. But you can also look at labor movements before that. For example, in the Haymarket Affair in 1886, someone in a crowd threw a bomb at a police officer during a protest, which has been speculated to have been a plant. The point was to smear the whole labor movement as anarchists and communists, as violent radicals, even though many of them were not.
But we can go even further back, in 1848, the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto are:
Karl Marx himself is already talking about how every center-left opposition party is accused of being communist, and about how those same center-left parties will hurl the same accusations at parties to their left, and even against parties to their right ("reactionary adversaries").
Yes, the Nazis branded progressives as communists, and the Nazis did come up with things like "Cultural Marxism," but they were hardly the first ones in history to do it.
This is obviously not communism.... But also, just because it has large support doesn't automatically make it not-communism
wow... amazing innovative strategy that they've used incessantly for the last million years. let's see if the dumb fucks fall for it yet again
Those percentages mean that a lot of people want it, but vote against it. This is something that I will never understand
Damn the average magat is so uneducated they don't know the difference between communism and socialism. It's just dumb people voting for dumb evil people.
Direct price controls like that, are generally a bad idea. Often, unintended consequences make the underlying problem worse.
For drug prices, most are created with substantial government funded research. The government could leverage that into a major patent ownership stake, then immediately license the drug for generic production.
For child care, the government could give a monthly stipend to all parents. Parents could then decide, use it for child care, or quit/cut hours to care for your kid yourself.
I'm not sure about interest rate limits; That might work. But 10% is kinda low. Maybe someplace between 15-20%. And credit cards aren't even the worst offenders. Pay day loans are much worse, with rates over 200% sometimes.