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"Proposed KDE LLM guidelines" is now officially locked

Some of the worst LLM takes I've seen in a while. I've never thought FLOSS would be taken over by proprietary torment nexuses so fast.

The discussion will probably continue behind closed doors, so the public has no way of knowing who says what and corporations have their way easier.

And someone got exposed for being a Nazi.

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Vikreply
lemmy.world

Its pretty fucking crazy. Seems they also didn't really read the room in that thread aside from those tweets.

all in all, a rich tapestry of oof

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Vikreply
lemmy.world

I'm still able to see it here. Wonder if it's some CDN outage?

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lprovenreply
awful.systems

Works for me. I wish it didn't. It's nasty.

Want me to copy-paste it? I would prefer not.

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Vikreply
lemmy.world

huh, strange. I wasn't able to create a snapshot of the page, though it's probably for the best. nobody should have to see those tweets

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ProdigalFrogreply
slrpnk.net

A majority of KDE developers are determined to create an LLM policy that allows AI code submissions without any form of disclosure to "avoid shaming", and appear to be completely dismissing any ethical, environmental, or copyright concerns brought up.

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Dimand
aussie.zone

LLM usage

The golden rule for LLM usage in KDE is Don't be lazy:

Don't try to use a tool to replace your own judgment, interpersonal communication, or learning process.

Don't take unsustainable shortcuts.

Don't avoid growing as a person.

The result will be poor-quality work that eventually becomes someone else's problem.

Nobody in KDE should know if you use an LLM — not because you're concealing it, but because your usage of it produces output indistinguishable from what you could produce yourself. Contributions with obvious and lazy LLM usage may be ignored or closed.

Are we reading that same thing? Hardly seems like a pro LLM stance or the worst take that could be made.

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mholiv
lemmy.world

I don’t get the fuss here. The KDE LLM policy is essentially the same as the Linux kernel. Aka human driven, human responsible, LLM assisted coding.

Unless you are running KDE on NetBSD you where already using LLM assisted code.

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rhamphreply
awful.systems

I don’t get the fuss here. The KDE LLM policy is essentially the same as the Linux kernel.

Psssst! Slop in the kernel is also bad

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abcdqfrreply
lemmy.world

Define slop. Seriously. Human driven, human verified, LLM drives assistance. Sloppers invert that. LLM driven, LLM verified, human assistance. I'm a slopper. I'm the fraud. I'm not touching the kernels. Real devs are.

So sick of the AI=slop=bad kneejerking...

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mholivreply
lemmy.world

Have you seen the quality of the code in the kernel? I am no c fan but the bar and standards are incredibly high.

The kernel is certainly LLM assisted but I don’t think any honest dev can look at say the recent LLM assisted code and call it slop. If anything the quality of Linux code has gotten higher over the past decade.

I am not a fan of vibe coded slop and I don’t think it’s fair to call the kernel slop.

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