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lemmy.world

Venezuela is now a subservient resource colony for Trump's billionaire friends to exploit and pillage.

This is what they tried to do to Canada as well during the last trade negotiations.

The growing oligarchy in the US is a parasite that kills its host. It can only survive if it finds new hosts to infect.

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Pretty much, if there had ever been so much as a joint on one of those boats Donnie would have been parading it around as justification

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BRB gonna make a deal at the house down the street where I show up with a gun and they give my ownership and praise me for it daily

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lemmus.org

So he's stealing 65 billion barrels of oil from Venezuela. And he's probably threatening them with war and death if they don't "sign on".

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not really, this "deal" covers fields that are untapped or in heavy disrepair. will take years of infrastructure buildoit to exploit and it's unlikely any serious capital will be rushing to do that, as historically when the US has done this to venezuela...after the admin switches hands they just nationalize that infrastructure and go back to business as usual.

this is just venezuela leadership telling trump and co. "sure...whatever, now leave us alone" in the hopes they'll fuck off get distracted by something else until being replaced by a sane actor shortly.

same as every other deal of supposed investment with the US, UK/South Korea etc. agree to some stupid figure in a half-assed promise for trump and co. to parade on headlines. then they forget you exist and fuck off

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fedia.io

This seems like a much bigger deal than the news has portrayed. It seems like Trump feels like he can't do fun things (bomb Iran) because of the oil stockpile. So he is doing anything he can to try to show markets that he has oil so he can get back to doing fun.

Consumption of US is 19.4 million barrels a day.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/oil-consumption So 65 billion seems like a lot.

However, "The bulk of the country’s petroleum is made up of heavy, sour crude oil—a dark, gloopy, acidic substance that is both high in sulfur and relatively difficult to recover. This type of crude oil is very useful in asphalt production, but it needs to undergo a longer refining process to be made into more lucrative products, such as gasoline and other fuels, compared with lighter crude oil" https://www.britannica.com/science/How-Much-Oil-Does-Venezuela-Have-and-How-Much-Is-Accessible

If our processes are set up to process one type of oil, can we even switch to another type? How many refineries can do it? How much is wasted in the process and what is the rate? This seems like everything trump does: effective on a first glance but the moment you start thinking or asking questions it falls apart

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Actually, most US refineries are set up to refine that heavy goop. It is not dissimilar to Alberta's tar sands product (bitumen). And most US oil comes from Canada.

Him getting this oil is a piece of leverage against Canada and trying to remove a card from Canada's deck against him taking our country.

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infosec.pub

And it has the subtle weakness of a tanker and port bottleneck

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Also, as CBC pointed out this morning, this is basically the same annoucement he did when the US first took Venezeula.

Since then, apparently none of the oil companies have moved into Venezeula, so this might be an attempt to get any traction there.

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Considering how little we teach the Banana Republic era in schools I wonder how few Americans recognize what's going on here. How many of them know about the American conquest of Haiti or the Dominican Republic or any of the other dozen countries America conquered and pillaged.

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lemmy.world

Venezuela has twice nationalized the oil infrastructure, 1976 and 1999. Meaning they kicked out the foreign companies that invested and built infrastructure. This is why Trump couldn't find any companies willing to do it a third time. So now it seems the US is gaurantieeng the security with this "lease". This is a scary prospect all the way around.

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Kidnapping a country's leader and then capturing the oil refineries and oil fields is NOT the definition of a "deal" 🙂

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So when I rob someone at gunpoint I can just say they have entered a deal with me to give me their stuff and maybe I'll throw them back a penny.

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Has Venezuela entered the deal too, or is it unilateral?

::: spoiler spoiler

The question is rhetorical

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Aha, let me guess, only place to get that fuel is trump's gas station?

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can we please have confirmation from the side of Venezuela? not much has been true of what Trump says

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Trump doesn’t know there are types of oil. But that’s okay, MAGA don’t either so he looks to them like a genius.

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No?

Sour crude is what the US refineries are set up for. It’s why we export the sweet crude we actually produce and import sour.

Almost all of what goes through the Strait of Hormuz is sour crude. 80% of the crude market is sour crude.

The US is almost unique in that we are the major sweet crude producer, but our refineries are set up for sour crude.

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