I still don't think Americans realize how catastrophic this will be for their image of being a superpower to the world. This destroys USA's image of being a super power. Imagine spending all that money on a military and just walking away against a war with Iran with NOTHING. PATHETIC
American here. Those of us with any sense don't care anymore about being a superpower. We know we're a fuckin joke on the world stage. We just want a working country but we know we'll likely never see that again in our lifetimes.
And yeah yeah, "then do something about it" is easily said. Getting people across thousands of miles to gather in one place with no affordable travel infrastructure is intensely difficult.
Oh I don't think anything can be done about it. It's not just the Americans fault either. The entire "free" world put their eggs in one basket so to speak. The USA has been a beacon of freedom and a place all people aspiring to be free look up too. Maybe it was all just propaganda and lies? However, even to this day Americans will defend their country thinking it's the best that there is. Maybe the first step for Americans is to stop being so damn proud?
Americans, I assume like many other countries in the world, get blasted with the patriotism firehose early and often. For the first two decades of my life I generally held the assumption that America was the best and most free, England was pretty good and kind of free, then maybe some of the scandinavian countries, then all the countries no one cares about, and at the bottom was Russia, North Korea, and China, in that order. It was really hard to find information to the contrary, and even if you did, voicing doubts about America's number-one-ness could seriously cost you a job, a family relationship, a scholarship, etc. if not actually get you under investigation by the authorities (depending on what was said and to whom). It simply wasn't done when I was younger, at least in my social sphere.
I think the internet really did a number on America's propaganda program, because a lot more young people nowadays, even before Trump, seem a lot more disillusioned about America and its role in the world. There's been a bit of a backslide, I think, as the powerful have consolidated their grip on the internet, but not a complete one. Kids seem to understand that they're being lied to, even if they don't understand the full scope and nature of the deception.
Maybe that a consequence of who I choose to keep in my immediate IRL circle these days. Maybe it's just hope. But I think, or hope, that we're better off than we were 40 years ago as far as understanding what our government is actually doing goes.
Yes totally agree with a lot of this. I'm an immigrant to the USA from Poland, I was brought here when I was 6. Boy did I drink the USA cool aid. I started questioning things early though, when Obama was president. I was taught in the Chicago school district in the late 90s to 00s. Inclusion, diversity and free critical thinking were taught. PBS was also a staple during childhood.
Anyway when Obama was president I was shocked at how angry people were in certain areas of the country. I thought it was just another logical step in the USA history. Then I moved to Oklahoma in 2014 for a job and boy did that make me question what this country really is. The racism was common in Chicago, but in Oklahoma it was on another level. Sure the people were nice, but since I was a white male they would open up easily to me and I didn't like the things I heard.
Next Trump came on the scene and that was a bit disturbing and I was surprised by his win. That's when I started visiting Europe around 2017. As the years progressed I have become extremely disillusioned by the USA. I tried to enjoy the beautiful nature and empty spaces, but living in the cities working day to day was becoming to eat at my soul. Now I'm convinced that the cities here have been destroyed by automobiles. Any argument for more walkable and healthy cities is politicized and people are so against it. So yeah I'm hoping to move to Europe, if only it was so simple.
Great response. Apologies for my initial defensiveness. Most of what I see here is "well then do something about it" so I was just trying to head that off.
I agree with you. And yeah, it was always propaganda from like the 1960s onward at a minimum. Nixon fucked us over and we've been going downhill since.
Any Americans still defending this playground for pedophile billionaires are idiots who refuse to look critically at this place for even a second, and are likely part of the problem. Fuck em. There's not much to be proud of here. Some small things, mostly local, but nothing on a national scale.
The US is seen on par with Russia now. Above NK; below China. Kind of just go around fucking everyone and everything, unapologetically and oblivious. Most of the rest of the world is done and started the transition to cut the US out of the picture. Globalisation is slow but a hard thing to turn once a course is set. When possible, the US will start getting sanctioned.
There's still the jokes, but even that's fatigued.
i don't think they're a super power anymore. they're weak. stuff like this on top of the stories about ships going unsupplied, etc, doesn't say to me "super power".
I don't think the US people honestly care, or rather are too preoccupied, to bother with how the rest of the world sees them. I think the American people are now trying to get their shit in order and based on recent voting and other news I hope they do just that.
Well, we still don't really know the damage that has been done to all the bases and equipment in that region. It is quite possible that Iran did indeed fuck up the greatest military on earth. The fact that I am writing this would be unbelievable to myself 10 years ago. What an idiotic disaster this "expedition" has been
The reason that that big carrier that was in the news recently was starving its personnel and all that was because most of the US's bases in the area were destroyed/damaged, so there was no way to resupply. That part was kinda kept quiet in the media, because it makes the US Military look so pathetically bad (worse than their current perception.)
He is incompetent and evil. He has gotten a lot of people killed over nothing. I don't think his goal is to weaken the US (if it is, maybe he isn't incompetent after all), but simply to use his position to enrich himself and stroke his ego. The USA was supposed to be a mighty military power and home to a people that would fight to maintain their freedom. Instead, the military has shown the world how impotent it really is, and the rugged individualist citizens of this country simply bent over for him and the ultra wealthy class. Pathetic.
It was as ineffective as usual (at military goals - plenty effective at destroying civilian infrastructure and murdering schoolgirls).
But also Iran absolutely did fuck up the US military. Multiple bases are effectively destroyed or disabled, dozens of aircraft shut down, missile interceptor stocks depleted, an entire aircraft carrier is running away shitting its pants (probably literally) and there are close to a thousand casualties. The US military took sizeable losses and achieved literally no strategic goals. This is not just being ineffective, this is both being ineffective and getting their shit fucked up because of it. A bunch of war criminal losers.
Iran does not take anything the current US regime says seriously. I would not be surprised if they drag it out - which they easily can - until the next election in 2028. See if there is a change in government.
This current regime is not trustworthy and I'm not talking about the Iranians.
I would not be taking any bets, especially ones where eating pants is on the table, related to the clown in chief.
Institutionally, he is an evil pedophile oligarch, beholden to other US elites in his imperialist crusade to keep US a dominant power.
But personally he is a demented narcissistic idiot who can't help but suck it up to the last person who said nice things to him. I can see a near future where some Iranian diplomat gets half an hour in a room with trump and gets him to give away California as an Iranian territory in exchange for a trump Tower Tehran or some shit.
Then again, the list of demands given out by Iran is way too reasonable to happen in this timeline...
President Pedophile Donald J. Trump keeps throwing a tantrum every time he's reminded that the US lost the war he started without congressional approval. He then sulks, gets reminded that we're all still waiting for the Trump-Epstein files, and starts making demands anew on Iran.
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Wow. Absolutely pathetic play by the USA.
I still don't think Americans realize how catastrophic this will be for their image of being a superpower to the world. This destroys USA's image of being a super power. Imagine spending all that money on a military and just walking away against a war with Iran with NOTHING. PATHETIC
American here. Those of us with any sense don't care anymore about being a superpower. We know we're a fuckin joke on the world stage. We just want a working country but we know we'll likely never see that again in our lifetimes.
And yeah yeah, "then do something about it" is easily said. Getting people across thousands of miles to gather in one place with no affordable travel infrastructure is intensely difficult.
Oh I don't think anything can be done about it. It's not just the Americans fault either. The entire "free" world put their eggs in one basket so to speak. The USA has been a beacon of freedom and a place all people aspiring to be free look up too. Maybe it was all just propaganda and lies? However, even to this day Americans will defend their country thinking it's the best that there is. Maybe the first step for Americans is to stop being so damn proud?
Americans, I assume like many other countries in the world, get blasted with the patriotism firehose early and often. For the first two decades of my life I generally held the assumption that America was the best and most free, England was pretty good and kind of free, then maybe some of the scandinavian countries, then all the countries no one cares about, and at the bottom was Russia, North Korea, and China, in that order. It was really hard to find information to the contrary, and even if you did, voicing doubts about America's number-one-ness could seriously cost you a job, a family relationship, a scholarship, etc. if not actually get you under investigation by the authorities (depending on what was said and to whom). It simply wasn't done when I was younger, at least in my social sphere.
I think the internet really did a number on America's propaganda program, because a lot more young people nowadays, even before Trump, seem a lot more disillusioned about America and its role in the world. There's been a bit of a backslide, I think, as the powerful have consolidated their grip on the internet, but not a complete one. Kids seem to understand that they're being lied to, even if they don't understand the full scope and nature of the deception.
Maybe that a consequence of who I choose to keep in my immediate IRL circle these days. Maybe it's just hope. But I think, or hope, that we're better off than we were 40 years ago as far as understanding what our government is actually doing goes.
Yes totally agree with a lot of this. I'm an immigrant to the USA from Poland, I was brought here when I was 6. Boy did I drink the USA cool aid. I started questioning things early though, when Obama was president. I was taught in the Chicago school district in the late 90s to 00s. Inclusion, diversity and free critical thinking were taught. PBS was also a staple during childhood.
Anyway when Obama was president I was shocked at how angry people were in certain areas of the country. I thought it was just another logical step in the USA history. Then I moved to Oklahoma in 2014 for a job and boy did that make me question what this country really is. The racism was common in Chicago, but in Oklahoma it was on another level. Sure the people were nice, but since I was a white male they would open up easily to me and I didn't like the things I heard.
Next Trump came on the scene and that was a bit disturbing and I was surprised by his win. That's when I started visiting Europe around 2017. As the years progressed I have become extremely disillusioned by the USA. I tried to enjoy the beautiful nature and empty spaces, but living in the cities working day to day was becoming to eat at my soul. Now I'm convinced that the cities here have been destroyed by automobiles. Any argument for more walkable and healthy cities is politicized and people are so against it. So yeah I'm hoping to move to Europe, if only it was so simple.
Great response. Apologies for my initial defensiveness. Most of what I see here is "well then do something about it" so I was just trying to head that off.
I agree with you. And yeah, it was always propaganda from like the 1960s onward at a minimum. Nixon fucked us over and we've been going downhill since.
Any Americans still defending this playground for pedophile billionaires are idiots who refuse to look critically at this place for even a second, and are likely part of the problem. Fuck em. There's not much to be proud of here. Some small things, mostly local, but nothing on a national scale.
Were a joke*
The US is seen on par with Russia now. Above NK; below China. Kind of just go around fucking everyone and everything, unapologetically and oblivious. Most of the rest of the world is done and started the transition to cut the US out of the picture. Globalisation is slow but a hard thing to turn once a course is set. When possible, the US will start getting sanctioned.
There's still the jokes, but even that's fatigued.
i don't think they're a super power anymore. they're weak. stuff like this on top of the stories about ships going unsupplied, etc, doesn't say to me "super power".
I don't think the US people honestly care, or rather are too preoccupied, to bother with how the rest of the world sees them. I think the American people are now trying to get their shit in order and based on recent voting and other news I hope they do just that.
Iran strait fuked up the greatest military on earth??? WOW
They didn't fuck it ip, it was just ineffective.
Well, we still don't really know the damage that has been done to all the bases and equipment in that region. It is quite possible that Iran did indeed fuck up the greatest military on earth. The fact that I am writing this would be unbelievable to myself 10 years ago. What an idiotic disaster this "expedition" has been
The reason that that big carrier that was in the news recently was starving its personnel and all that was because most of the US's bases in the area were destroyed/damaged, so there was no way to resupply. That part was kinda kept quiet in the media, because it makes the US Military look so pathetically bad (worse than their current perception.)
I think starting a war with almost no objective doesn’t help.
Honestly it contributes to appear Trump’s only goal is weakening the US.
He is incompetent and evil. He has gotten a lot of people killed over nothing. I don't think his goal is to weaken the US (if it is, maybe he isn't incompetent after all), but simply to use his position to enrich himself and stroke his ego. The USA was supposed to be a mighty military power and home to a people that would fight to maintain their freedom. Instead, the military has shown the world how impotent it really is, and the rugged individualist citizens of this country simply bent over for him and the ultra wealthy class. Pathetic.
It was as ineffective as usual (at military goals - plenty effective at destroying civilian infrastructure and murdering schoolgirls).
But also Iran absolutely did fuck up the US military. Multiple bases are effectively destroyed or disabled, dozens of aircraft shut down, missile interceptor stocks depleted, an entire aircraft carrier is running away shitting its pants (probably literally) and there are close to a thousand casualties. The US military took sizeable losses and achieved literally no strategic goals. This is not just being ineffective, this is both being ineffective and getting their shit fucked up because of it. A bunch of war criminal losers.
They had all the gear but no idea.
Just like the Russians. Cold war era tactics don't work anymore, it looks like.
Looks like a copypasta from last week or last month or whatever…
Who’s to know?
Iran does not take anything the current US regime says seriously. I would not be surprised if they drag it out - which they easily can - until the next election in 2028. See if there is a change in government.
This current regime is not trustworthy and I'm not talking about the Iranians.
I'd eat my pants if Trump signed a deal with half of the things mentioned.
I would not be taking any bets, especially ones where eating pants is on the table, related to the clown in chief.
Institutionally, he is an evil pedophile oligarch, beholden to other US elites in his imperialist crusade to keep US a dominant power.
But personally he is a demented narcissistic idiot who can't help but suck it up to the last person who said nice things to him. I can see a near future where some Iranian diplomat gets half an hour in a room with trump and gets him to give away California as an Iranian territory in exchange for a trump Tower Tehran or some shit.
Then again, the list of demands given out by Iran is way too reasonable to happen in this timeline...
And this is what we call got 'em by the balls
President Pedophile Donald J. Trump keeps throwing a tantrum every time he's reminded that the US lost the war he started without congressional approval. He then sulks, gets reminded that we're all still waiting for the Trump-Epstein files, and starts making demands anew on Iran.
This cycle seems to repeat itself.