I think I've watched a lot of TV but I'm just a baby turtle entering the ocean.
My girlfriend mentioned a show that sounds a lot like a spinoff of Verne's Lost World. She thinks it was called La Brea. Ever hear of it?
Probably the weirdest old show I've tried is Kolchak the Night Stalker, desperate for some supernatural strangeness after finishing the X-Files. It needed a heavy finger on the FFWD button because action scenes in the 70s were dreary.
Yesss! I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A MAN! My first girlfriend in college had a bunch of BBC VHSs: AbFab, Python, and, yes, the Prisoner. I think I remember a strange cross over episode where one of the Pythons was being chased by a blancmange, which I thought was for sure a reference to their weird capture orb from the Prisoner--hell given how Python was always raiding BBC supplies, it might have been the exact same orb.
But I probably would have found it otherwise; it's not commonly referenced, but when it is, it's like, "holy shit, what is this about? this is definitely something specific." I'm guessing the Council of Ricks took some inspiration.
Yes, I think there was a TV Tropes page about that phenomenon I think called something like "Seinfeld isn´t funny." Could also have been called, "Tolkien was a total hack."
Been a while since I've seen this episode, but the sum of it was needs of the many.
IIRC he and his companions were squatters, hiding out on the moon since before DS9/Terok Nor was built. No real right to be there they just setup camp one day and stayed. There is an implication he's clinging to the memories and trauma of the occupation in very unhealthy ways and not moving on, though the episode doesn't do a great job imo of addressing that.
Meanwhile, Bajor is in tatters post occupation (think Europe Jun-Dec 1945) and desperately trying to rebuild and get some sense of normalcy for the citizens, cities are dealing with food and resource insecurities and what natural resources the planet did have are heavily depleted due to the occupation.
Kira is sent by the government to evacuate everyone on the moon, because the moon is tectonic active, meaning with a simple boring process they can capture a lot of energy which can be pushed through replicators to produce food and building material for citizens displaced on Bajor. The number given in the series is hundreds of thousands, though realistically if used even somewhat efficiently millions of Bajorans could gain some quality of life up to what most people would consider livable rather than simply sustenance driven.
The drilling process would make the area uninhabitable and potentially overflowing with lava, and the government is getting tired of waiting. This guy and his commune were refusing to move, even though it would ultimately mean death to stay. Hence his stance of 'if I leave, I die.' implying he just doesn't care and clinging to trauma from the occupation rather than getting help and salvaging what was left of his life.
TL;DR PTSD survivor refusing assistance and treatment, and actively preventing others from getting help for their own problems, given some serious tough love to force them onto the path of recovery and denying his death wish.
The comments made me look up the actor who played the sweet old man. In case we're equally uneducated: Brian Keith was an acting legend whose life tragically ended not long after that episode. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Keith
As an evil authoritarian tankie, this episode made perfect sense to me 😉
The old man had a knee-jerk opposition and lack of trust to any form of government or authority, understandably developed from living under the fascist occupation, but now extended to the fledgeling revolutionary government, which could not survive without cooperation and buy-in from the people. It was necessary for the Bejorans to adapt from the role of rebels to other roles. We see in other episodes Bejorans who can't or won't do this (the Maquis).
The whole point of overthrowing the Cardassians was not "blowing things up is fun and cool" nor was it "all governments are bad and individualism is good." That specific government was bad, and the point was to set up a new government that could work for the benefit of the Bejoran people, and protect their safety and interests. Kira threads the needle between freedom fighter and civil servant, burning down the old order and building up the new one with equal resolve and determination.
By living with the old man, Kira showed that she understood him, that she felt similar things to him, that she wasn't just a pencil pusher who didn't care whose lives got ruined in the name of profits and efficiency and understood the weight of what she was telling him. But she also showed that, even from that perspective, she was still determined to get the reactor built. Ultimately, the decision she makes is forceful, authoritarian, even. But she also demonstrates by example how someone who is like the old man could arrive at her position. She is not only forcing him, but also leading by example, showing him that if she can switch gears to the changing conditions, he can too.
That willingness to build up after, to cooperate and ensure that a new peace can last, that is what separates the revolutionary from the rebel (the Maquis), or the individualist (the old man).
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Remind me again how Nerys ended up helping this sweet old man? Oh, right. | Spyke
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Seriously, dude looks a lot like him.
The Columbo with Johnny Cash was epic. Boss Hogg on keyboards.
I think I've watched a lot of TV but I'm just a baby turtle entering the ocean.
My girlfriend mentioned a show that sounds a lot like a spinoff of Verne's Lost World. She thinks it was called La Brea. Ever hear of it?
Probably the weirdest old show I've tried is Kolchak the Night Stalker, desperate for some supernatural strangeness after finishing the X-Files. It needed a heavy finger on the FFWD button because action scenes in the 70s were dreary.
https://youtu.be/osNmf_zmSyE
If you're new to the old, watch this. Don't search for the story or watch a video of what it's about, just watch it cold.
Yesss! I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A MAN! My first girlfriend in college had a bunch of BBC VHSs: AbFab, Python, and, yes, the Prisoner. I think I remember a strange cross over episode where one of the Pythons was being chased by a blancmange, which I thought was for sure a reference to their weird capture orb from the Prisoner--hell given how Python was always raiding BBC supplies, it might have been the exact same orb.
But I probably would have found it otherwise; it's not commonly referenced, but when it is, it's like, "holy shit, what is this about? this is definitely something specific." I'm guessing the Council of Ricks took some inspiration.
There's an old joke about a theater critic who derides Hamlet as 'nothing but a bunch of clichés strung together.'
This show is nothing but a bunch of tired tropes strung together.
Yes, I think there was a TV Tropes page about that phenomenon I think called something like "Seinfeld isn´t funny." Could also have been called, "Tolkien was a total hack."
Well, shit. Now I guess I have to watch this entire show. Thanks a lot.
Another turtle has made it to the waters!
I remember that on first run. I was just a kid and my parents didn't want me to watch it.
Have Johnny Cash and Anthony Hopkins ever met by any chance?
Never seen in the same room at the same time. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
He’s the lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
Been a while since I've seen this episode, but the sum of it was needs of the many.
IIRC he and his companions were squatters, hiding out on the moon since before DS9/Terok Nor was built. No real right to be there they just setup camp one day and stayed. There is an implication he's clinging to the memories and trauma of the occupation in very unhealthy ways and not moving on, though the episode doesn't do a great job imo of addressing that.
Meanwhile, Bajor is in tatters post occupation (think Europe Jun-Dec 1945) and desperately trying to rebuild and get some sense of normalcy for the citizens, cities are dealing with food and resource insecurities and what natural resources the planet did have are heavily depleted due to the occupation.
Kira is sent by the government to evacuate everyone on the moon, because the moon is tectonic active, meaning with a simple boring process they can capture a lot of energy which can be pushed through replicators to produce food and building material for citizens displaced on Bajor. The number given in the series is hundreds of thousands, though realistically if used even somewhat efficiently millions of Bajorans could gain some quality of life up to what most people would consider livable rather than simply sustenance driven.
The drilling process would make the area uninhabitable and potentially overflowing with lava, and the government is getting tired of waiting. This guy and his commune were refusing to move, even though it would ultimately mean death to stay. Hence his stance of 'if I leave, I die.' implying he just doesn't care and clinging to trauma from the occupation rather than getting help and salvaging what was left of his life.
TL;DR PTSD survivor refusing assistance and treatment, and actively preventing others from getting help for their own problems, given some serious tough love to force them onto the path of recovery and denying his death wish.
The comments made me look up the actor who played the sweet old man. In case we're equally uneducated: Brian Keith was an acting legend whose life tragically ended not long after that episode. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Keith
RIP Brian
As an evil authoritarian tankie, this episode made perfect sense to me 😉
The old man had a knee-jerk opposition and lack of trust to any form of government or authority, understandably developed from living under the fascist occupation, but now extended to the fledgeling revolutionary government, which could not survive without cooperation and buy-in from the people. It was necessary for the Bejorans to adapt from the role of rebels to other roles. We see in other episodes Bejorans who can't or won't do this (the Maquis).
The whole point of overthrowing the Cardassians was not "blowing things up is fun and cool" nor was it "all governments are bad and individualism is good." That specific government was bad, and the point was to set up a new government that could work for the benefit of the Bejoran people, and protect their safety and interests. Kira threads the needle between freedom fighter and civil servant, burning down the old order and building up the new one with equal resolve and determination.
By living with the old man, Kira showed that she understood him, that she felt similar things to him, that she wasn't just a pencil pusher who didn't care whose lives got ruined in the name of profits and efficiency and understood the weight of what she was telling him. But she also showed that, even from that perspective, she was still determined to get the reactor built. Ultimately, the decision she makes is forceful, authoritarian, even. But she also demonstrates by example how someone who is like the old man could arrive at her position. She is not only forcing him, but also leading by example, showing him that if she can switch gears to the changing conditions, he can too.
That willingness to build up after, to cooperate and ensure that a new peace can last, that is what separates the revolutionary from the rebel (the Maquis), or the individualist (the old man).