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lemmy.zip

Crime is increased by poverty most of all. Take care of poverty and crime will plummet.

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Poverty even explains a big chunk of white collar crime. It's so traumatic that those who experience it carry its effects with them even when they make a ton of money and are no longer impoverished. If they never go to therapy to heal, they keep reacting to the world as if they are still living in poverty. To us this looks like greed.

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Makes sense. If you’re driving a car with expired registration the last thing you want is to get pulled over.

Same goes if you’re in the country illegally: You avoid committing crimes so you don’t get caught and potentially deported.

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Yep, the fact that immigrants commit less crime than native-born citizens has been known since Herbert Hoover established the Wickersham Commission in 1929. What makes this study uniquely important is its methodology.

To estimate the undocumented population at the neighborhood level, the research team accessed restricted individual-level Census data through a federal Research Data Center (RDC) and then applied an imputation method similar to those used by the Department of Homeland Security.

This is where they relied on the expertise of Christopher, who received his training at UC Irvine, earning an economics Ph.D. in 2022 before joining Stanford.

Christopher is one of the few academic researchers to have published work leveraging such a method.

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Bullshit. I've seen atrocious crimes due to unauthorized immigration - crimes by the ICE organization against people assigned this label. I hope to see justice soon.

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“Yeah, but there was this one guy in the news who murdered someone. They’re all like that.”

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I thought data already showed that undocumented tend to do less crime. Which would make sense if you are trying to keep a low profile anyway...

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No fucking shit. You think anybody who is in the country illegally is going to draw attention to themselves by committing crimes?

FWIW I've known multiple people who admitted to being in the country illegally, and they were wonderful, normal, working people. I've also personally been through the US immigration system from a strictly legal standpoint and it's no picnic, and no wonder people want to cut corners. It was always surprising to me how many upstanding christian, tax paying, public servant working people would say things like "just fly your fiance to mexico and bring her over with you" as if comitting a felony was the common sense answer to a deffective immigration system.

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Pffft. “Science”. Don’t they know this criminal, cruel, and incompetent “police” force are driven by a truly fucked up ‘belief’ in Jesus?! Oh and money.

Both of which have trumped science for the better part of a decade. Sorry for the pun and the dystopian quality of the zeitgeist.

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feddit.org

Why put efforts in a study like this. As if it would convince anyone who has got a strong opinion on this topic.

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Because without research, we won’t know the truth.

If I say the sky is blue, and you say the sky is red, and no one goes out to look… we won’t know who’s right.

When someone goes out to look, one of is right and the other is wrong.

The study found that republicans are wrong.

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mabeledoreply
lemmy.world

Entering into the US illegally is a misdemeanour, not a felony.

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ZeroCoolreply
piefed.ca

Chance of a 1hr old account trotting out anti-immigrant talking points not being a troll: 0%

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Pennywisereply
piefed.social

So you agree. It's a crime.

Looks at 4th wall He even threw in the word illegally!

But you want to split hairs over the severity?

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mabeledoreply
lemmy.world

I’m just pointing out that the severity makes it a nothing burger.

Also, not all illegal things are crimes. For instance, overstaying your visa is a civil violation, not a crime.

If you want to troll, at least get your basic facts right.

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Y’know I remember from my libertarian days that this was the exact platform in immigration. Borders and anti-immigration measures were antithetical to a small-government, free-market society.

Ironic how so many self-labeled right-wing “libertarians” and “anarcho-capitalists” reversed their position when MAGA emerged.

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Pennywisereply
piefed.social

So how far do you want to take that argument?

Should we have our private property respected?

Should a home invasion be illegal?

How about personal boundaries(or borders)?

Hmmm? 🤔

If boundaries themselves are inherently illegitimate, what principle tells us which ones we should respect and which ones we shouldn't?

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Pennywisereply
piefed.social

How does it impact me personally? That's not really relevant to whether entering the country illegally is, in fact, illegal. We don't generally decide which laws matter based on whether I personally know the person committing the offense.

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So if your friend downloaded a movie from a torrent site you would turn them in?

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So you're one of those people who thinks all crimes are equal? If it's illegal, it's illegal, period, doesn't matter if it's moral or not?

Okay, do you care that the president of the Untied States has committed hundreds of crimes and gotten away with them?

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