When will people realize that Elon only has one trick: lie really baldly really publicly, pressure the shit out of a bunch of smart engineers until they get to their breaking point, and if it works you’re a “genius” — if it doesn’t, just throw it on the pile of other completely outlandish shit that you said that never mattered.
I ended up in a situation where I got picked up by a cyber truck of all things, and the current state of self driving is better than I expected, but I still don't trust it. It drove weirdly aggressively and lurchy, even doing frequent lane changes to get ahead, and while the car and people detection worked, the render on the screen was concerning because everything wiggles creepily and disappears and reappears.
Driving it manually seems like a terrible idea as well. No line of sight visibility at all behind and rear sides, way too much blind spot in the front.
10 years after promised completion and it only feels like starting the 'getting there' phase.
Watched a buddy's Tesla categorize my car + trailer as a car, car + trailer, and then a semi and back again every few seconds. Both cars were parked....
The visualization bugginess depends on model confidence thesholds, just because it isn't rendered doesn't mean it isn't seen. I also wonder what aggression level it was set to.
Honestly, it's not terrible these days for 90% of the driving, but it will absolutely kill you or someone else if you think for a moment it can drive completely unsupervised - that's the real danger imo.
I didn't know it had aggresion levels but it was probably fairly high. I've been in some powerful EVs that were still smooth.
The scary thing with the self driving is that it was stopping for people that I didn't notice and even the human driver had to look at the screen to see it was a person out of view, so even with supervision if it missed something you might not be able to see it.
10 years post claim entering a getting there phase is good.
For plasma fusion it took like 40 years post promise to the getting there phase, as long as the getting there phase means private investors are willing to fund
True, lol... but we need like anthems, albums, we need to be constantly topping the charts with songs that just take piss out of the pedophile owner class.
We need shit that pumps people up, we need catchy tunes you can't get out of your head.
Like here, here's a song that's basically tearing apart a major concept that Elon relies on, that you can headbang to:
Elon needs all of his companies to stay in growth valuation mode. The moment people start pricing them like stable, mature companies (or worse) he’s kinda screwed.
It's easier to just go "I guess I was wrong" but most people are emotionally fucking cowards.
It really seems like this is easier to me too. The older I get the more I realize that this is one of the most difficult things for a ton of people to do and I don't understand why. Do they genuinely think they are incapable of being wrong? I don't think there's anything special about me so why does this seem so hard for almost everyone else?
Some cursory searching shows a variety of causes. Maybe from a young age they were repeatedly taught that being wrong made them bad and stupid and unworthy of love, and that's deeply wound around their subconscious now.
It'd be just sad if it wasn't causing incalculable harm to society.
Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate. Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering that their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so—they literally distort their perception of reality to make it (reality) less threatening. Their defense mechanisms protect their fragile ego by changing the very facts in their mind, so they are no longer wrong or culpable.
All these 'geniuses' of the current age really make you wonder how many of the supposedly super intelligent innovators we learned about in school were just frauds taking credit for other people's achievements.
He's the same shameless marketeer, but Edison, while a "brute-force" guy rather than actually being insightful or visionary, actually did more than just steal the ideas of others
He definitely stole plenty of the shit he's credited with, but not everything like Elmo has
The moment he smashed the Cybertruck window should have been the point at which his grift fell over.
He'd spent all that time talking up the Cybertruck, saying that it was damn near indestructable, that it was bulletproof. And to prove it he threw a huge ball bearing at the window.
And it smashed.
That should have been the point at which everyone said "Nah, this guy's a kook" and walked away. But nope. They all rode along on the meme and here we are.
Don't forget all those TikTok videos from gun nuts shooting at their Cybertrucks' side panels to "prove" it was bulletproof and having them go clean through
Honestly, it’s extremely funny, because of how shocked he was that a giant steel ball damaged the “bullet proof glass”.
Bullet proof glass doesn’t just… shrug off bullets, it cracks and breaks without shattering and the bullets embed in it rather than passing through. The glass on the demonstration could very well have been “bullet proof glass”. The fact that he thought that meant “will shrug off getting hit with a shot put” showed how surface level his understanding of things are.
Like he pretends to understand the businesses he owns, like he’s some how involved in the design and conceptualization of products. But’s he’s just a business idiot claiming credit for the work his employees do, and making everything worse when he does get involved.
Given the way he's talked about these robots in the past, I'm fine with them not being ready yet.
“If we build this robot army, do I have at least a strong influence over this robot army?” he told investors. “Not control, but a strong influence… I don’t feel comfortable building that robot army unless I have a strong influence.”
True, because it's too easy to subvert them surreptitiously, and yet the present plan of openly seeking world domination, starting by running over schoolchildren and telling teens to commit suicide, is worse.
Edison wasn’t stupid, he could come up with good ideas. He was just better at making others do the work and come up with the ideas for him to take as his own.
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I love seeing those overpriced dumpsters on the back of flatbed tow trucks...hopefully on its way to be dropped off at a scrap yard. Saw one just the other day during my commute home and I couldn't help but smile.
The fact anyone believed this shit is evidence of shallow understandings of, like, everything. Of fucking everything. It's so stupid. Its so violently stupid.
Nah, it makes sense. Religions weren't invented to maintain power for the good guys. People carrying crosses saying they worked for the god of light and benevolence would then hang you by your feet and chop you in half. This is pretty spot on for an evil person.
Who cares how the Pharisees felt about Christ? They used religion to control people for the rich long before and after Christ. Then others did it in Christ's name. All religions are dumb control mechanisms for the weak willed.
you have no other sources than a few historical events
So to clarify: you asked for sources. You received sources. You dismissed those sources and asked for more, even though you can't explain why they are not valid to you.
Rejecting evidence is intellectual cowardice.
can I have a verse in the Old Testament used to "control the poor"?
All of it. Let's see: "Don't seek knowledge or you will be punished." "Be fruitful and multiply; kids are ammo in your quiver, not people." "In fact, it's fine to take slaves as long as the rules are followed."
And it all hinges on: "Obey me or I'll make you suffer and it'll be all your fault." It is fear and guilt used to manipulate people too uneducated to think critically about what they are reading and recognize fiction.
i remember when hyperbole was seen as just that and often dismissed as braggadocio worth not even its breath. nowadays we give it more credence than it deserves
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When will people realize that Elon only has one trick: lie really baldly really publicly, pressure the shit out of a bunch of smart engineers until they get to their breaking point, and if it works you’re a “genius” — if it doesn’t, just throw it on the pile of other completely outlandish shit that you said that never mattered.
You missed the critical middle step of pumping up market valuation so you can borrow against the hype.
Surely there is a dump step following the pump?
Or is it pump, borrow, repeat?
Borrowing against shares is the dump.
Have the lenders realized they’re never getting their money back or did the ipo cover it on paper?
He buys the previous failed business with the current pump to hide the losses. It's shells stacked in a pyramid.
But he has hair?
fElon? He has hair plugs if thats what you mean.
Full self driving by 2016!!!!
I ended up in a situation where I got picked up by a cyber truck of all things, and the current state of self driving is better than I expected, but I still don't trust it. It drove weirdly aggressively and lurchy, even doing frequent lane changes to get ahead, and while the car and people detection worked, the render on the screen was concerning because everything wiggles creepily and disappears and reappears.
Driving it manually seems like a terrible idea as well. No line of sight visibility at all behind and rear sides, way too much blind spot in the front.
10 years after promised completion and it only feels like starting the 'getting there' phase.
Watched a buddy's Tesla categorize my car + trailer as a car, car + trailer, and then a semi and back again every few seconds. Both cars were parked....
Who needs lidar
It's shape based. And since there's no longer a lidar and shape is estimated from cameras...
The visualization bugginess depends on model confidence thesholds, just because it isn't rendered doesn't mean it isn't seen. I also wonder what aggression level it was set to.
Honestly, it's not terrible these days for 90% of the driving, but it will absolutely kill you or someone else if you think for a moment it can drive completely unsupervised - that's the real danger imo.
I didn't know it had aggresion levels but it was probably fairly high. I've been in some powerful EVs that were still smooth.
The scary thing with the self driving is that it was stopping for people that I didn't notice and even the human driver had to look at the screen to see it was a person out of view, so even with supervision if it missed something you might not be able to see it.
10 years post claim entering a getting there phase is good.
For plasma fusion it took like 40 years post promise to the getting there phase, as long as the getting there phase means private investors are willing to fund
The bigger issue, IMHO, was that this was promised as a finished product, not a research project or an investment.
So you mean it's still experimental and should absolutely not be used in production? I think we all agree in this thread.
cope
Hey, Elon, you’re the world’s richest loser.
Soyyyyyyy..... un perdedor!!!!!!
... so why don't we kill him?
Lyrically, of course.
Like no really, him and all these fuckers have eggshells for egos... mock them relentlessly, gloriously, they will crack.
That is what happened when he streamed Path of Exile, lol.
True, lol... but we need like anthems, albums, we need to be constantly topping the charts with songs that just take piss out of the pedophile owner class.
We need shit that pumps people up, we need catchy tunes you can't get out of your head.
Like here, here's a song that's basically tearing apart a major concept that Elon relies on, that you can headbang to:
Mars for the Rich
Elon needs all of his companies to stay in growth valuation mode. The moment people start pricing them like stable, mature companies (or worse) he’s kinda screwed.
Unfortunately, the stock market has been not been pricing stable mature companies. Only growth stocks get money.
Cultists do not like when you point out their fairy-deity is full of shit
Most people don't like when their ego is threatened. They'll make up any excuse to protect their flimsy sense of self worth.
It's easier to just go "I guess I was wrong" but most people are emotionally fucking cowards.
It really seems like this is easier to me too. The older I get the more I realize that this is one of the most difficult things for a ton of people to do and I don't understand why. Do they genuinely think they are incapable of being wrong? I don't think there's anything special about me so why does this seem so hard for almost everyone else?
Given that this is about emotions, not thoughts, you're starting off on the wrong direction.
I wonder about this a lot, too!
Some cursory searching shows a variety of causes. Maybe from a young age they were repeatedly taught that being wrong made them bad and stupid and unworthy of love, and that's deeply wound around their subconscious now.
It'd be just sad if it wasn't causing incalculable harm to society.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-some-people-will-never-admit-that-theyre-wrong
:shrug:
absolutely
Elon Musk is the personification of a moron’s hallucination of a genius.
All these 'geniuses' of the current age really make you wonder how many of the supposedly super intelligent innovators we learned about in school were just frauds taking credit for other people's achievements.
Thomas Edison ❌ Nikola Tesla ✅
Elon Musk is the Edison of the current age.
Not true. Edison was quite the inventor in his younger days. Elon is just a leech.
That's deragoratory to Edison, who's a piece of shit.
He's the same shameless marketeer, but Edison, while a "brute-force" guy rather than actually being insightful or visionary, actually did more than just steal the ideas of others
He definitely stole plenty of the shit he's credited with, but not everything like Elmo has
They'll ride the self driving Teslas we got in 2014 to the Mars base built in 2022.
Putting up "Datacenters In Space!!"
Another moronic idea.
The moment he smashed the Cybertruck window should have been the point at which his grift fell over.
He'd spent all that time talking up the Cybertruck, saying that it was damn near indestructable, that it was bulletproof. And to prove it he threw a huge ball bearing at the window.
And it smashed.
That should have been the point at which everyone said "Nah, this guy's a kook" and walked away. But nope. They all rode along on the meme and here we are.
Don't forget all those TikTok videos from gun nuts shooting at their Cybertrucks' side panels to "prove" it was bulletproof and having them go clean through
Way before that. The cave diving tantrum showed everyone he was a pampered asshole.
Honestly, it’s extremely funny, because of how shocked he was that a giant steel ball damaged the “bullet proof glass”.
Bullet proof glass doesn’t just… shrug off bullets, it cracks and breaks without shattering and the bullets embed in it rather than passing through. The glass on the demonstration could very well have been “bullet proof glass”. The fact that he thought that meant “will shrug off getting hit with a shot put” showed how surface level his understanding of things are.
Like he pretends to understand the businesses he owns, like he’s some how involved in the design and conceptualization of products. But’s he’s just a business idiot claiming credit for the work his employees do, and making everything worse when he does get involved.
Same guy trying to send rockets into space can't make glass that doesn't break...
Cue "he just owns shit, he doesn't do any of it" reply
Everything is herd mentality identity politics now. There is no undersranding. Understanding is for heretics.
Given the way he's talked about these robots in the past, I'm fine with them not being ready yet.
https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/elon-musk-remarks-robot-army
Eeegh shit I don't like it
[ Everyone disliked that. ]
Considering the resource-raping and the complete absence of Asimov's Laws, we're better off without.
The entire point of the I, Robot anthology is that the three laws don’t work.
True, because it's too easy to subvert them surreptitiously, and yet the present plan of openly seeking world domination, starting by running over schoolchildren and telling teens to commit suicide, is worse.
They don’t work when you give robots lots of control. They are a very decent guard rail compared to having none at all
They are a shit guard rail because they can never be formally specified. Again, read the stories.
Even a shit guard rail is better than no guard rail at all.
A guard rail in the middle of the road that you either have to crash into or go off-road is worse than none
Modern day Edison.
Edison wasn’t stupid, he could come up with good ideas. He was just better at making others do the work and come up with the ideas for him to take as his own.
Well. He's not complaining about paying Elon Musk via subscription.
It makes sense, as this guy apparently has a business to promote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JerryRigEverything
But still.
I love that he goes after Elon etc really hard. It’s hilarious.
Still strange that he continues to promote his cyber truck
Am i out of the loop?
He sold the truck some months ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/8lgb4yJ4apU
I didn’t know, thanks! (Btw, your link includes some tracking, YouTube showed me your Profile without me looking for it..)
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There's no & in that link though?
Arh fuck, thanks for telling me 😁
I love seeing those overpriced dumpsters on the back of flatbed tow trucks...hopefully on its way to be dropped off at a scrap yard. Saw one just the other day during my commute home and I couldn't help but smile.
Unfortunately that's still a gigantic waste of the resources needed to build it in the first place.
The fact anyone believed this shit is evidence of shallow understandings of, like, everything. Of fucking everything. It's so stupid. Its so violently stupid.
Well, 2026 isn’t over yet.
Weird, I would have thought Elon was more of a Decepticon kinda guy.
Even their names fit Elon better. Megatron. Starscream. Dirge.
Not a fan of the guy btw, in fact I'm saying if you're the devil you shouldn't call your new demonic general The Archangel Gabriel, ya know?
Nah, it makes sense. Religions weren't invented to maintain power for the good guys. People carrying crosses saying they worked for the god of light and benevolence would then hang you by your feet and chop you in half. This is pretty spot on for an evil person.
sources?
The Hammurabi Code, The Pharisees, The Spanish Inquisition, etc. (I'm sure my fellow lemmings could go on and on).
All of civilization has been: 'jumping from one bullshit ghost story to the next to reinforce laws created by the rich'.
Are you new?
That's Lemmy's resident Catholic apologist. They actually believe Christianity has been proven true. Don't waste your time.
the Pharisees hated Christ
"do not murder" is a commandment
Who cares how the Pharisees felt about Christ? They used religion to control people for the rich long before and after Christ. Then others did it in Christ's name. All religions are dumb control mechanisms for the weak willed.
They are not
you have no other sources than a few historical events
and can I have a verse in the Old Testament used to "control the poor"?
So to clarify: you asked for sources. You received sources. You dismissed those sources and asked for more, even though you can't explain why they are not valid to you.
Rejecting evidence is intellectual cowardice.
All of it. Let's see: "Don't seek knowledge or you will be punished." "Be fruitful and multiply; kids are ammo in your quiver, not people." "In fact, it's fine to take slaves as long as the rules are followed."
And it all hinges on: "Obey me or I'll make you suffer and it'll be all your fault." It is fear and guilt used to manipulate people too uneducated to think critically about what they are reading and recognize fiction.
Oh
It's you
How tiresome.
i remember when hyperbole was seen as just that and often dismissed as braggadocio worth not even its breath. nowadays we give it more credence than it deserves