And they'll guilt trip you if you don't tip because apparently it's YOUR fault that they don't eat tonight for not tipping (and not their employer's for not paying a living wage).
One could argue that an owner, under capitalism, could choose to pay the employees a living wage instead of enrich themselves and expect the customer to cover for what they are not paying. You know, you live under capitalism but you are not forced to behave as a capitalist pig...
Capitalism relies on exploitation of workers regardless. Even if they’re getting paid a “living wage”, they’re still expected to cough up any extra money they got through their work to the higher-ups who didn’t even do anything laborious. That makes them “capitalist pigs” even if they’re not quite Jeff Bezos.
I don't live in the us nor I plan to visit them anytime soon.
But even then, it's not my job to go figure if an employer pays their workers a living wage before going there. However, you don't have to worry about me not tipping because, as I said, it's not in my plans to visit that shithole. So I won't have to figure if people are getting paid where I go to eat.
I still fail to see how is that my problem. I don't live in the US so I don't have to tip waiters for them to make a living when I go out to eat.
And, again, it's not on me. If the owner is not paying them a living wage in the US, I don't see how is it the customer's fault and responsibility to cover for what the owner is not paying.
And, again, it’s not on me. If the owner is not paying them a living wage in the US, I don’t see how is it the customer’s fault and responsibility to cover for what the owner is not paying.
It's the customer's responsibility to avoid places that exploit their workers.
I'm not paying what the employer should be paying. And, once again, it's not my problem. I don't live in that shithole and I won't be visiting it in the near future (honestly, I doubt I'd ever visit it).
You know what happens if the tips don't make up the rest right? Your employer pays it, I'm not saying you're not going to get fired or that there has never been a situation where it's abused but if someone is actually making 2.13 an hour they're being human trafficked.
You know what happens if the tips don't make up the rest right? Your employer pays it,
Legally, they're supposed to, but that never actually happens. Even if the employee knows they should get it and is willing to push the issue, they just get immediately fired.
They could then sue for backpay, but the most that will happen is the employer is forced to pay exactly the amount owed and the lawyer gets a big chunk of that for their fees. Nothing else happens to the employer. That's the best case scenario.
So the solution is as simple as don't tip anymore. If everyone stops tipping, it won't be long before every tip-dependant service worker stops working. And without them, the whole restaurant industry collapses. You'll see a living wage being established in the sector in no time.
Most Americans don't even want to change the system yet, even with everything happening. They're happy about it and are just lying. It's absurd to expect one sane person in a sea of temporarily embarrassed billionaires to simply change the system instead of doing whatever they can to survive.
They need to pay rent today, while organizing for tomorrow. There's no shame in begging if you're in that desperate a situation.
Retail grocer asks for round up donations to XYZ cause. They then make the donation in their name and claim it as a charity donation to reduce tax liability.
So just remember, folks, that rounding up for a "good cause" is just the company using your money to avoid paying some of their taxes.
well at this point there are a lot of things I don't go to just because its gotten to expensive even without tipping but way back I would have people tell me if im not willing to tip 20% I should not go so I stopped going to them. Im sure it made the wait staff much more money when I left their market.
I went to new york years ago, on checkout of the hotel I asked reception if I could store my bags in the hotel as it was hours before we even had to leave for the airport. Followed a guy across the lobby, with me wheeling and carrying my bags, to a door which he opened, put them literally about a metre inside, tagged them and made it clear he wanted a tip. Like... What?
That is their job though... it was put into a room with a particular tag which is a service they advertise. It would be insanity here to offer money for that, it's standard customer service.
have never ever asked for a tip or even a nod for that. if you do things for others expecting remuneration, then you should pay for every favor done for you
So how far goes tipping in the USA now? Supermarkets? You go get your driving license and they ask a tip? The landlord wants a tip for collecting rent? You can tip the red light so it turns green earlier?
Grocery store baggers used to take your groceries to your car for you and it was customary to tip. I don't know if that happens anymore. You're often expected to ring up and bag your own groceries now.
Dude, if you haven't caught the door by the time it escapes my grasp, I would stop if you are a) infirm, or b) using mobility assistance. Outside that, I wouldn't even have time to stop and beg for a tip.
Non-tipping country waiters ~"That'll be $89.95 for the chicken parm and Heineken that you ordered after you were sat for 53 minutes before I even acknowledged you."
I'm out all the time.
Previously I have been a waiter/bartender/manager, now travel for my new line of work, been to over 20 countries around the world...
I'd say well more qualified than the isolationist downvoters here, to have a real world view of this topic...
In fact, more experienced and qualified in likely ALL topics than the kids on here on Lemmy.
There's a lot of fucking stupid people here with all opinion and no experience.
It's a fuckin laugh most the time. Like these incel tankie types?! 😆 fucking morons.
Anyway, sorry to crash your little circle jerk.
No bud, your are full of shit.
Probably cuz you don't get out of your mom's basement, but believe that what you think should weigh on the world somehow.
Service and food do still suck, in some places.
Your not wrong about that.
And that's when you just tip less or don't tip.
See, tipping is like upvoting or downvoting.
The irony of a bunch of armchair quarterbacks implying somebody who actually has experience in a topic, is the one who is fucked up is a god damn laugh.
You are a laugh.
MAGA mindset for sure.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”
You can see how much this person has travelled the world in that they think you can find a "chicken parm" somewhere that's not the us and for that amount.
Mate, if you are paying $90 for a breaded chicken breast with some tomato and cheese, you are getting robbed by a tourist trap.
Here, what you call "chicken parm" it's simply a "cotoletta di pollo" and if you are paying for it more than 20€, you are being robbed or are being served in a chic place where you're probably paying 8€ for a bottle of water.
Btw, I went not long ago to eat in the middle of a medieval fortress, we ate starters, hand made pasta, hand made dessert, coffee and water, all for 2 people and it all went for less than 60€ in total. No tipping required.
Imagine living thinking that you only get a good service if you tip. Must be tough living in 'murrica. The developed wolrd don't think waiters should live off charity so they pay a living wage. You don't need to tip if you live in a country were people are workers with rights instead of slaves.
It's more common only if your living depends on tips. If your living depends on the restaurant staying open and there are no tips, you'll have good service anyways. Because a restaurant with bad service won't stay open for long. For someone who says has seen a lot of world, you seem really closed in the 'murrican mindset of tipping.
So what you are saying is that to treat well the customers you are serving, you need to get tipped. Do I get it right? That... doesn't make you a good person at all. But hey, nothing is more 'murrican than putting for sale everything, even kindness.
Everybody shakin ass in merica... A land of low IQ beggers too scared to overthrow the pdfiles. It is tuly a land of despair and a empty vessel of lesser things. A hell for some a circus for others. Too gawd damn stupid to know that they are stupid. A slop bucket of mad haters and cheese burgers. Theses dumpy turds bring down the whole arse world to their deplorable level. This place needs invaded.
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America gonna get a social credit system with a pay to win function soon.
Black Mirror has an episode about this, but with social media likes/dislikes or up/down votes.
“If you can’t afford to tip, you can’t afford to eat out!”
Both true
Hey I need a 35% tip for this comment since there's no minimum wage for commenting.
$0.00 x 0.35 = $0.00
(Ó╭╮Ò) how will I ever put food on my family with pay so low.
By learning to math?
Funny enough a pure math degree is essentially useless outside of academia. It's almost impossible to get hired as anything but a professor.
There is of you post on .ml! President Xi venmo's me $5 every time I make a funny post /j
Damn now I gotta be tipping you $3.50?
Yeah, but ever since the Strait of Hormuz closed, you gotta tip in the equivalent amount of Chinese Yuan
How about some shmeckals? That's all I got.
Comment with six words it is.
And they'll guilt trip you if you don't tip because apparently it's YOUR fault that they don't eat tonight for not tipping (and not their employer's for not paying a living wage).
Preface: I'm in favor of employers paying employees (and contractors) a living wage
One could argue that an owner, under capitalism, could choose to pay the employees a living wage instead of enrich themselves and expect the customer to cover for what they are not paying. You know, you live under capitalism but you are not forced to behave as a capitalist pig...
Capitalism relies on exploitation of workers regardless. Even if they’re getting paid a “living wage”, they’re still expected to cough up any extra money they got through their work to the higher-ups who didn’t even do anything laborious. That makes them “capitalist pigs” even if they’re not quite Jeff Bezos.
You knew they were being exploited and ate there anyway.
I don't live in the us nor I plan to visit them anytime soon.
But even then, it's not my job to go figure if an employer pays their workers a living wage before going there. However, you don't have to worry about me not tipping because, as I said, it's not in my plans to visit that shithole. So I won't have to figure if people are getting paid where I go to eat.
If it's a restaurant with table service and they're not bragging about how much they're paying their employees, they're exploiting them.
I mean, they're exploiting them either way, but they're not paying them 2.13 an hour and expecting tips to make up the rest.
I still fail to see how is that my problem. I don't live in the US so I don't have to tip waiters for them to make a living when I go out to eat.
And, again, it's not on me. If the owner is not paying them a living wage in the US, I don't see how is it the customer's fault and responsibility to cover for what the owner is not paying.
It's the customer's responsibility to avoid places that exploit their workers.
I'm not paying what the employer should be paying. And, once again, it's not my problem. I don't live in that shithole and I won't be visiting it in the near future (honestly, I doubt I'd ever visit it).
I know. But they're not.
It's a problem for the workers you don't care about, yes.
You know what happens if the tips don't make up the rest right? Your employer pays it, I'm not saying you're not going to get fired or that there has never been a situation where it's abused but if someone is actually making 2.13 an hour they're being human trafficked.
Legally, they're supposed to, but that never actually happens. Even if the employee knows they should get it and is willing to push the issue, they just get immediately fired.
They could then sue for backpay, but the most that will happen is the employer is forced to pay exactly the amount owed and the lawyer gets a big chunk of that for their fees. Nothing else happens to the employer. That's the best case scenario.
So the solution is as simple as don't tip anymore. If everyone stops tipping, it won't be long before every tip-dependant service worker stops working. And without them, the whole restaurant industry collapses. You'll see a living wage being established in the sector in no time.
Good luck with that. Also, better not ever eat at the same place twice.
The getting fired part is important
They're supposed to. You know what happens when they don't? You will never ever even think of caring.
They’d literally rather beg than change the system they live under.
Most Americans don't even want to change the system yet, even with everything happening. They're happy about it and are just lying. It's absurd to expect one sane person in a sea of temporarily embarrassed billionaires to simply change the system instead of doing whatever they can to survive.
They need to pay rent today, while organizing for tomorrow. There's no shame in begging if you're in that desperate a situation.
to be fair 15% of nothin is nothin. Seriously though its one reason I stopped going to sit down places awhile ago.
Outside of a retail grocer - who tf isn't asking for tips?
Retail grocer asks for round up donations to XYZ cause. They then make the donation in their name and claim it as a charity donation to reduce tax liability.
So just remember, folks, that rounding up for a "good cause" is just the company using your money to avoid paying some of their taxes.
well at this point there are a lot of things I don't go to just because its gotten to expensive even without tipping but way back I would have people tell me if im not willing to tip 20% I should not go so I stopped going to them. Im sure it made the wait staff much more money when I left their market.
Every self serve yogurt place I’ve been to and every single coffee place I go to.
Bruh they are asking for tips at self serve these days. I don't even know wiho they want me to tip
Sure I'll tip 85% of nothing.
Literally some buildings have doormen that you are expected to tip. It's insanity
I went to new york years ago, on checkout of the hotel I asked reception if I could store my bags in the hotel as it was hours before we even had to leave for the airport. Followed a guy across the lobby, with me wheeling and carrying my bags, to a door which he opened, put them literally about a metre inside, tagged them and made it clear he wanted a tip. Like... What?
Looking after your bags is a service that isn't actually part of the money you already agreed to pay. They're doing you a small favour.
I'd give the guy a tip in that case.
In most countries that is just a general courtesy... Even in far cheaper hotels.
Maybe. But I would want to show my appreciation of such courtesy with a tip, and it wouldn't be crazy to ask for one.
It's not in the obnoxious category of "I did nothing but my job, gimme extra."
That is their job though... it was put into a room with a particular tag which is a service they advertise. It would be insanity here to offer money for that, it's standard customer service.
have never ever asked for a tip or even a nod for that. if you do things for others expecting remuneration, then you should pay for every favor done for you
The 'murican way. Do you really expect good will in a capitalist hellscape?
good will is independent of politics. hard to believe i know but it is
So how far goes tipping in the USA now? Supermarkets? You go get your driving license and they ask a tip? The landlord wants a tip for collecting rent? You can tip the red light so it turns green earlier?
There are automated kiosks that ask for tips now. Seriously, I wish that was a joke.
If that continues like this, customers are going to demand a tip for not making a scene and the circle is complete
I have heard of people tipping there loan provider. Who is this even going to?
No way that's true
Grocery store baggers used to take your groceries to your car for you and it was customary to tip. I don't know if that happens anymore. You're often expected to ring up and bag your own groceries now.
I wonder if Hodor got tipped
Oookay sure, I will hold the door 25% open for you in return?
Regular people: Holding the door open for free.
American people: Expecting to get a tip for holding the door 25% open.
We're Americans we don't hold the door open, that would let the cold AC air out.
I thought Americans would have a go at using AC outside anyway.
Only if we can send the heat to China
Dude, if you haven't caught the door by the time it escapes my grasp, I would stop if you are a) infirm, or b) using mobility assistance. Outside that, I wouldn't even have time to stop and beg for a tip.
When a European holds the door for you:
Bro can we separate Americans the people from us and a the country. People can be good, country yes sucks
Not all Americans, but it's always Americans... Or Israelis 😂
Well ya fuck Israelis. We have some common ground there
Non-tipping country waiters ~"That'll be $89.95 for the chicken parm and Heineken that you ordered after you were sat for 53 minutes before I even acknowledged you."
You don't get out much, do you? It's for the better anyway. Obnoxiously loud USA tourists are annoying enough in their current numbers as it is.
I'm out all the time.
Previously I have been a waiter/bartender/manager, now travel for my new line of work, been to over 20 countries around the world...
I'd say well more qualified than the isolationist downvoters here, to have a real world view of this topic...
In fact, more experienced and qualified in likely ALL topics than the kids on here on Lemmy.
There's a lot of fucking stupid people here with all opinion and no experience.
It's a fuckin laugh most the time. Like these incel tankie types?! 😆 fucking morons.
Anyway, sorry to crash your little circle jerk.
Yeah you're full of shit.
No bud, your are full of shit.
Probably cuz you don't get out of your mom's basement, but believe that what you think should weigh on the world somehow.
Nope, the service and food still suck with tipping in many places. This is Americope.
What a whiney little cunt you are.
Service and food do still suck, in some places.
Your not wrong about that.
And that's when you just tip less or don't tip.
See, tipping is like upvoting or downvoting.
Do you often smoke meth before posting here?
The irony of a bunch of armchair quarterbacks implying somebody who actually has experience in a topic, is the one who is fucked up is a god damn laugh.
You are a laugh.
MAGA mindset for sure.
I lived in the US for ten years, and abroad the rest of my life, but sure.
Think of me while you're flipping chicken, mate.
I see 10 years was long enough for you to catch the disease.
— Mark Twain
You can see how much this person has travelled the world in that they think you can find a "chicken parm" somewhere that's not the us and for that amount.
Mate, if you are paying $90 for a breaded chicken breast with some tomato and cheese, you are getting robbed by a tourist trap.
Here, what you call "chicken parm" it's simply a "cotoletta di pollo" and if you are paying for it more than 20€, you are being robbed or are being served in a chic place where you're probably paying 8€ for a bottle of water.
Btw, I went not long ago to eat in the middle of a medieval fortress, we ate starters, hand made pasta, hand made dessert, coffee and water, all for 2 people and it all went for less than 60€ in total. No tipping required.
Lol don't pretend you know.
Also, learn what a little exaggeration is.
Also, tip your waiter, and stop being a cheap cunt.
Imagine living thinking that you only get a good service if you tip. Must be tough living in 'murrica. The developed wolrd don't think waiters should live off charity so they pay a living wage. You don't need to tip if you live in a country were people are workers with rights instead of slaves.
It's not "only".
It's just most common.
Also I'm not from 'Murica.
It's more common only if your living depends on tips. If your living depends on the restaurant staying open and there are no tips, you'll have good service anyways. Because a restaurant with bad service won't stay open for long. For someone who says has seen a lot of world, you seem really closed in the 'murrican mindset of tipping.
So you've worked in the hospitality industry and recieved tips before?
So what you are saying is that to treat well the customers you are serving, you need to get tipped. Do I get it right? That... doesn't make you a good person at all. But hey, nothing is more 'murrican than putting for sale everything, even kindness.
Hey, now there's a good idea. Why didn't I think of that?
Everybody shakin ass in merica... A land of low IQ beggers too scared to overthrow the pdfiles. It is tuly a land of despair and a empty vessel of lesser things. A hell for some a circus for others. Too gawd damn stupid to know that they are stupid. A slop bucket of mad haters and cheese burgers. Theses dumpy turds bring down the whole arse world to their deplorable level. This place needs invaded.
Did you take your medicine today