This is the future that capitalists want. When you can no longer afford components because they hoarded them all, you will have to rent computers from their cloud. Dont worry? It’s all real and legal because it’s justified by the humungous next step in humanity known as AI which was so important that we had to buy up all the computing resources. It’s so good guys it’s important that none of you be able buy any computers that you can use without the supervision of the AI cloud services. Trust us.
And soon thereafter we see articles of corporations freaking out customers went back to bills on paper in the mail, written cheques, cash deposits and lots of manpower to process everything manually.
Impossible! Everyone has a smartphone with which to download The App:tm: to handle that. The only people who don't have smartphones are actual criminals. There are senators completely ready to endorse this line of thought! Too poor? Nonsense, you're a criminal. Straight to jail.
This is the "theory" by which publishers try to justify the validity of EULAs (they argue: "buying the thing isn't enough; you need to agree to this to be able to actually use it").
But, fun fact: copyright law has a specific carve-out for that incidental copy, 17 USC §117 (a) (1), which means EULAs offer no 'consideration' and are therefore bunk.
I agree, but that's not how I'd imagine the courts would see it? If the EULA says that you don't own the computer program, you're just paying for a license to use it, then you're not really "the owner of a copy of a computer program"...
In what way would the EULA/contract be illegal/invalid? The US has a pretty broad freedom of contract. No one has forced you to buy that licensed computer program. You don't need it to survive. You're not discriminated against by not being allowed to buy the software instead of a license.
Understand I'm playing devil's advocate here. I agree that such contracts are morally corrupt, but I'm not aware of anything that'd make them illegal. Only by being truthful regarding the current laws is how we can make change.
Contracts require four elements in order to be valid: offer, acceptance, consideration, and intention to create legal relations. EULAs fail at multiple of these:
As I already said, they offer no "consideration" because you already have the right to do the thing they purport to give you permission to do (i.e., make the incidental copy necessary to run the game).
They lack "acceptance" and "intent" because they are contracts of adhesion (sprung on you after the sale transaction is complete and you already own the copy of the software), and clicking through them is nothing but a mechanical act necessary to use your property (which, again, you already have the right to do, by definition of "property!") with no legal intent behind it. And if you have no intent, how the fuck can merely doing a thing you're being forced to do constitute "acceptance?" It is, simply, complete bullshit.
If it were presented at the time of sale and you had to agree before the money was exchanged maybe it'd be different, but that's not how they do things. And even then, it would still fail at "consideration" unless they offer you something above and beyond the right to use your property, which I cannot emphasize enough, you already have.
(By the way, since it sometimes comes up as a "gotcha" rebuttal attempt: no, Free Software licenses are not EULAs, and that's why they are valid while EULAs are not. You are not required to "agree" to the GPL etc. merely to use the software; it only kicks in when you want to do something, like modification or redistribution, that would otherwise be copyright infringement. It grants you those new privileges in exchange for accepting its terms, and that consideration is what makes it valid.)
I feel like they said private servers for “Minecraft” when they meant “Warcraft”. Not that I agree with them, but at least pirate wow servers make sense to be against.
It’s pretty miserable to play solo unless you tweak the settings heavily, and I’m saying that as someone tackling GregTech New Horizons solo at the moment.
The only 2 settings that I need to tweak to play solo is just turning off the surface rifts, and I give myself 3 days with no spawns. That calms things down enough to get a mud hut base up, and makes it easy.
I also like extending the month time out to 30 days, but that provides its own problems, because crops take a LOT longer to grow.
It's the one game I've been the most excited about for many years, but I can't play it until it has native controller support. I can't play with KB/M due to back pain, I've tried several mappings/layouts and mods (like knapster) but it just feels bad and even after forcing myself to get comfortable and playing around with everything it never gets to a point where it's a major hurdle for just enjoying the game.
As far as I know it'll het controller support sometime in the future though, so I'm patiently waiting and am still very excited to dive into it once that happens!
The article mentions "Electronic Software Association", but that does not appear to be a thing? The logo above appears to be from "Entertainment Software Association" which is... what they mean or no?
Some idiot represents Microsoft as a member of the ESA so Microsoft really should clear this up if they don't want it reflecting badly on them. Of course, that's if they even care and aren't going to use this as backdoor to stop supporting private servers.
Wow, an industry advocate organisation saying stuff that just proves they have no idea what the industry is actually doing, or what's actually good for them?
Nah they are lobbyists. They know what they are doing. They know that legislators have no clue what it all means and have no time to find out what these lobbyists are saying is true. It’s just typical lawyer talk subterfuge
The only reason they say this is almost certainly because they have a plan to start moving that direction. So a shadow of things to come. Like when I whip it out in front of a single-point light source.
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Every time you load an app into memory you are making a copy and therefore you are a criminal.
This is the future that capitalists want. When you can no longer afford components because they hoarded them all, you will have to rent computers from their cloud. Dont worry? It’s all real and legal because it’s justified by the humungous next step in humanity known as AI which was so important that we had to buy up all the computing resources. It’s so good guys it’s important that none of you be able buy any computers that you can use without the supervision of the AI cloud services. Trust us.
Streaming high performance applications such as games is now a public health concern as local compute contributes to heat generation in urban areas.
Public fountains and cooling centers will be decommissioned and a daytime water use ban will be in effect to ensure essential data services stability.
Due to extreme heat citizens are urged to avoid outdoor activity during daylight hours.
YoU wOuLdN't DoWnLoAd A kErNeL
That would make a nice shirt
That's your fault for having your own RAM on your own device instead of renting VRAM from cloud services!
(/s, in case anyone didn't pick up on it...)
Don't worry soon no one will be able to afford their own memory and then piracy will be solved forever!
And soon thereafter we see articles of corporations freaking out customers went back to bills on paper in the mail, written cheques, cash deposits and lots of manpower to process everything manually.
Impossible! Everyone has a smartphone with which to download The App:tm: to handle that. The only people who don't have smartphones are actual criminals. There are senators completely ready to endorse this line of thought! Too poor? Nonsense, you're a criminal. Straight to jail.
That's how local government ended up giving free smartphones to homeless because services moved online.
Woah, slow down there pal. Don't cha know, seeing articles makes a copy in your brain which is piracy.
This is the "theory" by which publishers try to justify the validity of EULAs (they argue: "buying the thing isn't enough; you need to agree to this to be able to actually use it").
But, fun fact: copyright law has a specific carve-out for that incidental copy, 17 USC §117 (a) (1), which means EULAs offer no 'consideration' and are therefore bunk.
I agree, but that's not how I'd imagine the courts would see it? If the EULA says that you don't own the computer program, you're just paying for a license to use it, then you're not really "the owner of a copy of a computer program"...
It doesn't matter what the EULA says when you never agreed to it in the first place because it failed to meet the basic requirements of a contract.
In what way would the EULA/contract be illegal/invalid? The US has a pretty broad freedom of contract. No one has forced you to buy that licensed computer program. You don't need it to survive. You're not discriminated against by not being allowed to buy the software instead of a license.
Understand I'm playing devil's advocate here. I agree that such contracts are morally corrupt, but I'm not aware of anything that'd make them illegal. Only by being truthful regarding the current laws is how we can make change.
Contracts require four elements in order to be valid: offer, acceptance, consideration, and intention to create legal relations. EULAs fail at multiple of these:
If it were presented at the time of sale and you had to agree before the money was exchanged maybe it'd be different, but that's not how they do things. And even then, it would still fail at "consideration" unless they offer you something above and beyond the right to use your property, which I cannot emphasize enough, you already have.
(By the way, since it sometimes comes up as a "gotcha" rebuttal attempt: no, Free Software licenses are not EULAs, and that's why they are valid while EULAs are not. You are not required to "agree" to the GPL etc. merely to use the software; it only kicks in when you want to do something, like modification or redistribution, that would otherwise be copyright infringement. It grants you those new privileges in exchange for accepting its terms, and that consideration is what makes it valid.)
POLICE!!! PUT DOWN THAT COMPUTER AND NOBODY NEEDS TO GET HURT!!!!
HE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US! SIR PUT DOWN THE COMPUTER... SIR... I AM AUTHORIZED TO USE LETHAL FORCE...
i'm not hhhhoollng a ccccomputer....
I'm an accomplice to RAM!
An industry body with no authority to do anything said a thing that goes explicitly against its members stances.
Well, not all of its members.
She’s just saying the quiet part out loud: they’re selling us out
I feel like they said private servers for “Minecraft” when they meant “Warcraft”. Not that I agree with them, but at least pirate wow servers make sense to be against.
I host a server on my home lab and just play solo, all this time I was a criminal and didn't know
You and me both. Hell mine is even modded with the phoning home patched out.
modded mc is low key the best factory game I've ever played
Try out Vintage Story. Once you find the chisel, you'll never look back.
That looks insane
It's hours of good fun. I'm chiseling a LARGE statue of Azura out of white marble.
It’s pretty miserable to play solo unless you tweak the settings heavily, and I’m saying that as someone tackling GregTech New Horizons solo at the moment.
The only 2 settings that I need to tweak to play solo is just turning off the surface rifts, and I give myself 3 days with no spawns. That calms things down enough to get a mud hut base up, and makes it easy.
I also like extending the month time out to 30 days, but that provides its own problems, because crops take a LOT longer to grow.
It's the one game I've been the most excited about for many years, but I can't play it until it has native controller support. I can't play with KB/M due to back pain, I've tried several mappings/layouts and mods (like knapster) but it just feels bad and even after forcing myself to get comfortable and playing around with everything it never gets to a point where it's a major hurdle for just enjoying the game. As far as I know it'll het controller support sometime in the future though, so I'm patiently waiting and am still very excited to dive into it once that happens!
What is the context here? Meme with no article or explanation of what is going on.
Europeans think they're in space.
Everyone is in space
Yeah. Don't tell them though. They like to feel special.
And 'Muricans think the only space that exists or is important is the US (which is dumb as fuck).
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when you find out please let me know too
There are other news links, but this is one I found on the front page, for context: https://lemmy.world/post/48906051?scrollToComments=true
TL;DR: Apparently ESA is calling private servers “illegal.”
The article mentions "Electronic Software Association", but that does not appear to be a thing? The logo above appears to be from "Entertainment Software Association" which is... what they mean or no?
Yes, the correct name is Entertainment Software Association.
Wow, fuck the European Space Agency! >:(
Yea, fuck European Speedrunner Assembly
The European Science Academy did what!?
I can't believe the European Sexhavers Association would do this!
What'd those fuckers do?
Why does an ESA even exist? They are literally being the fun police.
They run E3. Oh wait that died.
They run ESRB and rate games. Not that anyone pays attention.
So that pretty much leaves their extensive lobbying efforts on behalf of the largest publishers in favor of more copyright law and such.
Because otherwise the government is going to create a fun police.
The ATF already exists
As do the DEA, FAA, and FTC. We need less fun police
And the SEC making the casino less spicy.
How the fuck can Microsoft say that a private Minecraft server is piracy?
Where the fuck did people download the Minecraft server version?
What next, Costco is going to arrest me for
tryingstealing the free samples?Microsoft didn't say shit. Some idiot from the ESA did.
Some idiot represents Microsoft as a member of the ESA so Microsoft really should clear this up if they don't want it reflecting badly on them. Of course, that's if they even care and aren't going to use this as backdoor to stop supporting private servers.
Microsoft isn't saying shit now because they want to see how this bullshit pans out.
You can't even get away with a quadruple homicide these days
What has the world come to
unless you're a head of state, then you can kill however many people as you want.
and rape. Don't forget the rape.
Wow, an industry advocate organisation saying stuff that just proves they have no idea what the industry is actually doing, or what's actually good for them?
Not really shocked.
Nah they are lobbyists. They know what they are doing. They know that legislators have no clue what it all means and have no time to find out what these lobbyists are saying is true. It’s just typical lawyer talk subterfuge
So .. not ESA, the European Space Agency, founded in 1975 then.
Another day of me wondering what the fuck the Americans are even doing? Like it's completely incomprehensible, it follows no logic.
Makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a desire to destroy public trust and incite civil war
ESA can go fuck themselves.
For a moment I was confused because why would the European Space Agency have a problem with Minecraft?
Oh, don't worry, I'm not pirating you shit, I use it to train AI therefore I'm allowed to do whatever I want. It's for AI you see.
So i am a pirate, indeed.
Go ahead fuckos, start taking away the circuses too. See how that'll work out for ya.
I wonder if they are testing out how far they can go
The way I see it is "You're so lucky Microsoft doesn't come down on you like a cat in a rat's nest"
The only reason they say this is almost certainly because they have a plan to start moving that direction. So a shadow of things to come. Like when I whip it out in front of a single-point light source.