Spyke

Meanwhile, here is Chicago the establishment dems have such an unbelievable stranglehold on their positions that getting progressives through the door is such an uphill battle it's not even funny.

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feddit.nl

Avila Chevalier is also a vocal critic of Israel, calling its war against Hamas in Gaza a genocide

Ugh, fuck this narrative.

Couldn't you find a better source? Israel isn't at war with Hamas. They're committing a genocide, which is by definition a war crime against all the people.

Fuck NBC supporting genocide in this trash article

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lemmy.ca

That... Is exactly what you quoted. So fuck your narrative?

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feddit.nl

what part about my comment confused you?

They claimed that Israel is fighting a war against Hamas. That is false. Israel is fighting a genocide.

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Commiting. Israel is commiting a genocide. They aren't fighting anyone. The people they are slaughtering are incapable of fighting back.

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The attacks highlighted her past social media posts, in which she profanely criticized Democratic leaders, including calling former President Joe Biden a “rapist” and writing “F--- Kamala Harris.”

Right on!

Lol they tried to make her look bad by shitting on Biden and Harris? Who wouldn't see that as plus?

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feddit.nl

People will always pick the pro Palestinian candidate when the general population votes.

Who wants to bet that the Democratic Party will refuse to select the (most popular) pro Palestinian candidate, and loose again?

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I didn't understand how racist this country is especially with the white nationalist, and how they justify in their rasist minds supporting Israel? Like what a contradictory thing

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Espaillat lost because of his pro-AIPAC pro-genocide stance. Dumb traitor learned his lesson too late. Next step is to send his arse to the Hague along with others like him. We will be done when we send them all -- repub and dem-- to the ICC in chains.

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lemmy.world

Remember the decades we were told you had to run to the center to win?

Yeah it was always lies.

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lemmy.world

Yeah it was always lies.

It wasn't always lies. The game changed when the other side started electing their extremists, but worse, those more in the center have done fuck-all with what power they do have to act as a check on those other elected extremists.

I think the reason progressives are winning now is that voters have nothing to lose. Far right extremists will fuck them. Most of those closest to the center won't help them, and there's now a precedent of voting in extremists (currently far right) into high office.

If anything I think the elected far right extremists were the best argument for voting for those farther left. There's also the Overton window. 2008's Obama championing the ACA and the 2015 Supreme Court's Obergefell decision looks quite progressive compared to today's centerists.

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I'm surprised what happened to Roe V. Wade hasn't happened to Obergefell

Though I believe Democrats actually codified Obergefell into law... The "Respect For Marriage" act

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lemmy.world

Running to the center is why fascism arrived, and Democrats have been espousing it as a strategy since the 80's, while Democrats as a brand have basically given up on the concept that government can be a force for good in peoples lives.

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If anything, I would say that running in the "center," abandoning any pretense of hope for a better future for the chance to join a modern aristocracy, is far more of an extremist take than any leftist. If I tell Mamdani the price of bread is too high, he will see it and know it; if I tell Schumer, he won't understand. What is the mark of extremism but the disengagement with reality?

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lemmy.world

Both Republicans and Democrats would run to the center for success. Bush Senior and Bush Junior were also centrist. It wasn't just a Democrat thing.

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I've never understood that argument. He used some words that evoked the feeling of progressivism. But at no point did he actually say he was progressive or present a progressive vision. He was always slightly left of center, and very clearly ran as that, while having a campaign that appealed broadly. I honestly think people took "hope", " change" and first black president and just assumed it.

I challenge you to find even one piece of Obama campaign lit that actually presented him as a progressive.

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lemmy.world

Wait the guy who waged an illegal war against an innocent country for oil was a centrist?

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lemmy.world

Compared to trump? Absolutely.

But picking one specific even to try to define an administration isn't very helpful. By your same measure you could define Carter as a right wing extremist for overthrowing the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1979.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

It wasn't always lies. The game changed when the other side started electing their extremists

Which happened during the first term of Bill Clinton.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

No, very far from it!

I'm saying that far right demagogues, under the leadership of Newt Gingrich, took over the GOP during his first term.

Though in truth, the process had its infancy under Nixon if not even earlier.

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Fucking rush Limbaugh is a majority of the reason that "everyday" people moved to the far far right

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lemmy.today

I always maintain that the timeline split with the assassination of RFK. Had he lived, he would have been elected president, instead of Nixon, Vietnam would have ended much earlier, and America would have gone down a brighter path in the 70s, instead of the dark path we're still on.

More importantly, Nixon wouldn't have resigned, inspiring aides Cheney and Ailes to conceive a Conservative Propaganda Machine, that would start slowly, but pick up speed after the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine under Reagan in 1986, and the rise of Rush Limbaugh, who bears the credit/responsibility of the 1994 Congressional election, which saw Gingrich and the proto-MAGAs take over Congress, and then the establishment of FoxNews.

It's all Sirhan's fault. He may be the most influential person of the post-WWII era.

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Rewind it further and Johhny doesn't get assassinated, exposes the remainders of the Business Plot and dismantles the military industrial complex before it gets further entrenched. Those two moves would have cut off a lot of the forces which led to where we are now.

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lemmy.world

These candidates are centrists, not leftist. The problem being the centre in US is right wing.

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You’re not wrong. America’s Overton window is hilariously skewed, because conservatives have consistently been working to drag it to the right for decades. And the “we need to reach the moderate voters” liberals have been letting it happen, by consistently shifting their own messaging farther right to pander to the new “center”.

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DAC is definitely pretty leftist, agreed with the other two (DAC>Valdez>Lander). I still like Lander and aren’t gonna freak out over him unless he just shits the bed (he was a DSA member since 87 so he’s definitely not fake), but his comment (yesterday? today?) saying he’s looking forward to voting for Hakeem as the House Majority leader spooked me.

Get where he’s coming from to not just say, “fuck everyone else in the party, our way or the highway” cause you can’t just do that when you’ve only got 20 or so squad-type House members right now, but please don’t capitulate to the establishment

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iluvlamp37reply
lemmy.zip

The only districts a DSA candidate couldn’t win in are districts like whatever the Hamptons and Nantucket are in, and who gives a fuck about them.

This was a primary to be fair, and I don’t think a DSA candidate would suddenly be able to win in most rural districts in the South, but I’d bet if the DSA started running a challenger in each and every district in 2030, we’d win more than half of the primaries if not more.

I appreciate they’re taking it relatively slowly with the races they’re going for, showing their candidates walk the talk and their shit works instead of just going all out right away and potentially dying

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This is PROOF that the ONLY way for Democrats to WIN is to Court Left Leaning People! HELP the Working Class! Win over MAGA Voters who would LITERALLY Rather DIE then to Vote Democrat!

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