On Wednesday the Interior Department announced that it would pay the energy developer Invenergy $765 million not to develop three offshore wind farms. This is the third such payment by the Trump administration to undo offshore wind projects that have been years in the planning. Trump has so far committed $2.5 billion in taxpayer dollars to killing renewable energy projects.
Sounds wasteful. A state actually paying people so they won't deliver electricity to other people.
As for why - I mostly agree, it's about campaign finance. He's been paid off by fossil fuel lobbyists. The price of helping him into the White House was a duty to fight windmills, so that's what he does.
Meanwhile every sensible person, company and society looks for alternatives. Dependence on petrostates is bad in so many ways.
Feels like a category error to say that Trump is necessarily against renewable energy rather than just against specific types of renewable energy.
A lot of greenies are against hydroelectric because even though it provides base load power for decades or even centuries, the building of reservoir and the damning of a river typically has major environmental impacts that they feel override the benefits.
If there's concern about offshore wind because of the potential -- the actualized potential by the way in a limited number of cases -- then that would explain why there would be the pushback against offshore wind.
The problem with water is that unlike land which tends to be fairly localized, just a little bit of pollution can affect an absurd amount of water. That's why they tell people not to dump their motor oil in the ground, because one drop of motor oil can pollute thousands of gallons of water.
I tend to be less interested in solar because empirically speaking it seems to drive up electricity costs for actual consumers regardless of the cost of a specific kilowatt hour of electricity at peak production, and less interested in wind because sometimes it is bright or cold and the wind doesn't blow, the Germans already have a word for this because it is relatively common.
That being said, there's no reason to be against good technology that actually does what it's supposed to do, and that can mean hydroelectric, it can mean well regulated nuclear, it can mean geothermal, but just because something is marketed as green doesn't mean that it is actually good for the environment. Everything at an industrial scale is a out trade-offs. Different people will look at things through different lenses and find different trade-offs more example and other trade-offs less acceptable.
Imo one of the examples of renewables that someone needs to push (and I don't care who, whichever team does it takes the win) is geothermal in hawaii. They import massive amounts of coal to generate 90% of their electricity and thus have some of the most expensive electricity in the US.
Easy win, it would make everyone on the islands life way better, and of course it isn't even on the radar because it wouldn't cost that much and it'd be really effective immediately.
There isn't a conspiracy. It's simply that most of the older islands have cooled and the studies necessary to find the right conditions are incredibly expensive. The Big Island is where the opportunity is, and they are expanding the existing plant as part of the carbon-free 2045 plan. The state is also funding exploration on Maui.
I love the idea of geothermal, but the reality is difficult. You need to drill to find the right conditions. There's also the H2S emissions. Solar and wind resources are much easier to confirm and build.
The problem, as I often say, is that just because something demos well and it's easier to buy something doesn't mean it's going to be good in production. If you have a solar farm but you need to build a coal plant large enough to power the island anyway because you don't have dispatchable power, then you end up with Australia, California, or Ontario, where "the cheapest power" causes electricity costs to rise. Meanwhile, In places like Norway, Quebec, and iceland, those renewables actually drove down electricity costs because the marginal cost of energy is very low and you don't need to double up your infrastructure even if it's expensive and difficult to build up-front.
Markets dislike the uncertainty of searching for the right geothermal conditions. Battery storage is just cheaper and certain. You also can't gloss over the hydrogen sulfide pollution. Geothermal is not truly clean.
Maui and Kauai have small populations and are easy for wind +solar + storage. The Big Island has geothermal, but it is only going to supply 15% of the energy mix because of the pollution. They have the room for renewables for 200k people. Oahu is the challenge. It's populous, dense, and needs approximately 1.8 GW. This is why biofuels are the current strategy.
I registered a domain 23 years ago, maintained the site in various ways, set up a threadiverse instance with the least used federated link aggregator back around 2021, Expressed opinions that got me defederated by tons of instances and pissed off most of the remainder, and stayed following this community for years, all so that I could use a bot to respond to a post.
I don't even know why I needed a bot at that point, since apparently I'm friggin Xanatos the chess master.
Sounds wasteful. A state actually paying people so they won't deliver electricity to other people.
As for why - I mostly agree, it's about campaign finance. He's been paid off by fossil fuel lobbyists. The price of helping him into the White House was a duty to fight windmills, so that's what he does.
Meanwhile every sensible person, company and society looks for alternatives. Dependence on petrostates is bad in so many ways.
Feels like a category error to say that Trump is necessarily against renewable energy rather than just against specific types of renewable energy.
A lot of greenies are against hydroelectric because even though it provides base load power for decades or even centuries, the building of reservoir and the damning of a river typically has major environmental impacts that they feel override the benefits.
If there's concern about offshore wind because of the potential -- the actualized potential by the way in a limited number of cases -- then that would explain why there would be the pushback against offshore wind.
The problem with water is that unlike land which tends to be fairly localized, just a little bit of pollution can affect an absurd amount of water. That's why they tell people not to dump their motor oil in the ground, because one drop of motor oil can pollute thousands of gallons of water.
I tend to be less interested in solar because empirically speaking it seems to drive up electricity costs for actual consumers regardless of the cost of a specific kilowatt hour of electricity at peak production, and less interested in wind because sometimes it is bright or cold and the wind doesn't blow, the Germans already have a word for this because it is relatively common.
That being said, there's no reason to be against good technology that actually does what it's supposed to do, and that can mean hydroelectric, it can mean well regulated nuclear, it can mean geothermal, but just because something is marketed as green doesn't mean that it is actually good for the environment. Everything at an industrial scale is a out trade-offs. Different people will look at things through different lenses and find different trade-offs more example and other trade-offs less acceptable.
It is not an error. The Trump administration opposes renewable energy and heavily favors fossil fuels.
He simply speaks out more against wind as he holds bizarre views unsupported by science about its health effects.
Imo one of the examples of renewables that someone needs to push (and I don't care who, whichever team does it takes the win) is geothermal in hawaii. They import massive amounts of coal to generate 90% of their electricity and thus have some of the most expensive electricity in the US.
Easy win, it would make everyone on the islands life way better, and of course it isn't even on the radar because it wouldn't cost that much and it'd be really effective immediately.
There isn't a conspiracy. It's simply that most of the older islands have cooled and the studies necessary to find the right conditions are incredibly expensive. The Big Island is where the opportunity is, and they are expanding the existing plant as part of the carbon-free 2045 plan. The state is also funding exploration on Maui.
https://energy.hawaii.gov/geothermal/
I love the idea of geothermal, but the reality is difficult. You need to drill to find the right conditions. There's also the H2S emissions. Solar and wind resources are much easier to confirm and build.
The problem, as I often say, is that just because something demos well and it's easier to buy something doesn't mean it's going to be good in production. If you have a solar farm but you need to build a coal plant large enough to power the island anyway because you don't have dispatchable power, then you end up with Australia, California, or Ontario, where "the cheapest power" causes electricity costs to rise. Meanwhile, In places like Norway, Quebec, and iceland, those renewables actually drove down electricity costs because the marginal cost of energy is very low and you don't need to double up your infrastructure even if it's expensive and difficult to build up-front.
Markets dislike the uncertainty of searching for the right geothermal conditions. Battery storage is just cheaper and certain. You also can't gloss over the hydrogen sulfide pollution. Geothermal is not truly clean.
Maui and Kauai have small populations and are easy for wind +solar + storage. The Big Island has geothermal, but it is only going to supply 15% of the energy mix because of the pollution. They have the room for renewables for 200k people. Oahu is the challenge. It's populous, dense, and needs approximately 1.8 GW. This is why biofuels are the current strategy.
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Ya got me.
I registered a domain 23 years ago, maintained the site in various ways, set up a threadiverse instance with the least used federated link aggregator back around 2021, Expressed opinions that got me defederated by tons of instances and pissed off most of the remainder, and stayed following this community for years, all so that I could use a bot to respond to a post.
I don't even know why I needed a bot at that point, since apparently I'm friggin Xanatos the chess master.
I guess I misidentified what's wrong with you.