They lured him to agree to do it there with all the gilding in the palace, knowing well that he would have no idea what kind of symbolism signing a peace treaty in Versailles had. But everyone else, France and Iran included, absolutely did.
I very much appreciate the person who understands history enough to draw this parallel. I am also fairly certain few in the usa get it because international history is no longer a core subject.
My high school history curriculum was one year of World History, followed by two years of U.S. History. I always thought that was completely backwards. There's so much more history in the world than in the U.S. Besides, we'd already covered pretty much everything except the 20th century in elementary and middle school, making the first U.S. History class basically a rehash of stuff we already knew.
The Treaty of Versailles was the treaty that ended WW1. It required Germany to pay huge reparations to the rest of Europe.
Trump just signed the Memorandum of Understanding that "should" lead to the end of the war with Iran. And the US is required to pay huge reparations to them.
The treaty was played up by Nazi Germany for political reasons and as such is often mentioned as one of the reasons for Germany to start the war.
In practice the reparations asked of Germany where significantly less than what France had to pay as reparations for the 1870 war.
German economy was in a much worse state after 1929 than France was in the later half of the 19th century, making it a heavier burden. But that’s not due to the treaty itself.
French Marechal Foch famously said of the treaty «It’s not peace, it’s an armistice for 20 years ! ». They already knew at the time that it was not enough to significantly impact Germany.
France had wanted the reparations set so high that it would permanently destroy any German economic prospects. Britain and the US had to restrain them, which may explain why Foch was even more hysterical than is usual for the French.
To be clear, it was a contributing factor as much as the "evil Jews destroy our country" was. Meaning, it was a propaganda tool, but otherwise completely untrue.
The fact that Germany's economy went down the drain during the Great Depression is quite obviously because of said economic collapse, but the propaganda machine was running full speed, and never really stopped
And I once thought “who could be so unintelligent as to bankrupt a casino”, and it’s the same person who agreed to embarrass his nation by signing a reparations treaty in Versailles France. It’s as if his secretary of education doesn't have a thorough understanding of history, and the balls to speak up? At least it wasn’t in a train car I guess.
Even if you explained it to him, with crayons and circles and diagrams and arrows and cartoon characters, he wouldn’t get it and even if he did, he wouldn’t care.
They lured him to agree to do it there with all the gilding in the palace, knowing well that he would have no idea what kind of symbolism signing a peace treaty in Versailles had. But everyone else, France and Iran included, absolutely did.
I very much appreciate the person who understands history enough to draw this parallel. I am also fairly certain few in the usa get it because international history is no longer a core subject.
My high school history curriculum was one year of World History, followed by two years of U.S. History. I always thought that was completely backwards. There's so much more history in the world than in the U.S. Besides, we'd already covered pretty much everything except the 20th century in elementary and middle school, making the first U.S. History class basically a rehash of stuff we already knew.
Well can anyone explain ? What happened ? What has trump signed ?
The Treaty of Versailles was the treaty that ended WW1. It required Germany to pay huge reparations to the rest of Europe.
Trump just signed the Memorandum of Understanding that "should" lead to the end of the war with Iran. And the US is required to pay huge reparations to them.
It's a bit "on-the-nose".
Please note that historians consider the treaty of Versailles with her 'unrealistic' reperations a core contributor to WW2.
The treaty was played up by Nazi Germany for political reasons and as such is often mentioned as one of the reasons for Germany to start the war. In practice the reparations asked of Germany where significantly less than what France had to pay as reparations for the 1870 war.
German economy was in a much worse state after 1929 than France was in the later half of the 19th century, making it a heavier burden. But that’s not due to the treaty itself.
French Marechal Foch famously said of the treaty «It’s not peace, it’s an armistice for 20 years ! ». They already knew at the time that it was not enough to significantly impact Germany.
Sounds about right. It's take all of about 8 minutes for the Maga screachers to do the same.
France had wanted the reparations set so high that it would permanently destroy any German economic prospects. Britain and the US had to restrain them, which may explain why Foch was even more hysterical than is usual for the French.
To be clear, it was a contributing factor as much as the "evil Jews destroy our country" was. Meaning, it was a propaganda tool, but otherwise completely untrue.
The fact that Germany's economy went down the drain during the Great Depression is quite obviously because of said economic collapse, but the propaganda machine was running full speed, and never really stopped
It would not remotely surprise me if the US is upset at the debt incurred from this and decides to start a war because of perceived unfair treatment
Or they could do what they usually do and just start a war for no reason at all.
Trump probably sees himself more like Hitler who made the French government sign their surrender in Versailles.
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The idiocracy timeline was right
I wish. Their president seemed to actually give a fuck about his fellow Americans.
Well, Trump is of German descent…
It all makes sense now
History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme. Indeed.
And I once thought “who could be so unintelligent as to bankrupt a casino”, and it’s the same person who agreed to embarrass his nation by signing a reparations treaty in Versailles France. It’s as if his secretary of education doesn't have a thorough understanding of history, and the balls to speak up? At least it wasn’t in a train car I guess.
I expect he's happy about it because he's getting a cut.
Just straight up fleecing the American taxpayer so he can get a small percentage.
He thinks signing something in Versailles makes him a king
Even if you explained it to him, with crayons and circles and diagrams and arrows and cartoon characters, he wouldn’t get it and even if he did, he wouldn’t care.
You'd also have to watch out carefully so he doesn't eat the crayons.
Don't tell me this is going to get worse, I'm trying to avoid the urge to play chicken with the next passing freight train.
Pug, we need historians like you to remind us what normal should look like.
And who else would remind us about the Eternal Glory of Rome that even modern empires in decline still look to for inspiration?
Please don't be such an arsehole towards the train driver.
Also, what /u/[email protected] said.
Best case scenario AMOC shuts down and we don't learn what happens down the rest of this timelines.
Oh, man. If those are the normal-ish guys that start it, I don't want to know how the dumb crazy drug-addicted genociders look like.
I wouldn’t put it past him that it mashes him feel more like Hitler to hold power in a crumbling embarrassed power filled with latent rage.
That is exactly what the Nazis leveraged to gain and hold power.
How could he? The guy is orange...