In my country people used to look up to Stalin. We are not biased by whatever American propaganda you were tought in school. Stalin was just as evil as Hitler. Suggesting anything else is madness.
I'm not American. I'm Chinese. You should look into operation gladio, radio free Europe, the NED, etc if you think European countries are free of American influence in regards to Stalin and socialism/communism in general.
Aren't you from Norway? How fucking lacking in self awareness do you have to be to think that Norway is immune to western propaganda. Lacking enough to immediately engage in Holocaust trivialization afterwards I suppose
Norway isn't america. Why the fuck are you defending a mass murderer? You can be critical of western society and policies without needing to defend the likes of Stalin. Hell you can even defend the Sovjet union without having to defend fucking Stalin
No. When Soviet troops entered eastern Poland on September 17th 1939, the Polish state had already collapsed. The government fled to Romania September 15th. Warsaw was already burning. The army was broken. The lands the USSR moved into were also not Poland proper but territories Poland had seized and occupied by force in 1919-1921 from Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. Moving in to secure this land saved millions from extermination.
Whether the territory truly belonged to Poland is irrelevant. Frankly, I don't give a shit whether Stalin was justified or if Poland was already collapsed. It's just a matter of fact that they helped invade Poland. Russia and Poland still had a skirmish. Stalin and Hitler were in the talks. No reason to dance around it.
It’s just a matter of fact that they helped invade Poland
You believe this but it is in fact not a fact in the slightest. Again the soviets only entered "Poland" after the government had already fled and the army collapsed, they also only entered areas of Ukraine, Lithuania and Belarus that were under occupation by Poland from the interwar period. Not to mind it only came to this as the western powers and chiefly Poland refused to allow the soviets passage through Poland and a real alliance to fight Hitler in Czechoslovakia, with Poland preferring to ally with Hitler in attacking Czechoslovakia and the western powers preferring appeasement.
Also on the talks Slavs were one of the main "untermench" laid out in MeinKamf, there was never going to be any sort of real pact or alliance there both sides knew this. The Molotov Ribbentrop was a temporary nonaggression pact signed by the soviets after every attempt to form an anti Nazis alliance had failed and every other power had signed pacts with Hitler. It's goal was to delay the inevitable long enough for the Soviets to industrialise after the civil war and to move the key factories beyond the Urals. This plan was clearly vindicated by history as the soviets dealt 80% of the Nazi casualties and the factories beyond the Urals allowed a quick counter offensive once the sieges of Stalingrad had been won and Moscow and Kursk had been held.
Why did you ask the question if you were just going to argue with the answer, to the point of just declaring that reality it wrong and that you're just going treat your beliefs as "fact"
Also, didn't Poland annex Czechoslovakia along with Hitler's Munich agreement with the Western regimes?
U S S R was against that and even proposed a united front against Nazi Germany, but was ignored.
What is this post referencing? Why would anyone need to make up stuff about Stalin? He was an evil piece of shit
This post is referencing you and countless other similarly propagandized individuals
Seriously, how do you manage to type this without having even a twinge of self awareness?
Look in a mirror dude
"I know your are, but what am I"
To make anti communist propaganda.
You should read Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend — Domenico Losurdo. I found it well sourced and logical throughout. It might help you realise a lot of what you "know" about Stalin isn't truly accurate.
In my country people used to look up to Stalin. We are not biased by whatever American propaganda you were tought in school. Stalin was just as evil as Hitler. Suggesting anything else is madness.
I'm not American. I'm Chinese. You should look into operation gladio, radio free Europe, the NED, etc if you think European countries are free of American influence in regards to Stalin and socialism/communism in general.
Aren't you from Norway? How fucking lacking in self awareness do you have to be to think that Norway is immune to western propaganda. Lacking enough to immediately engage in Holocaust trivialization afterwards I suppose
Norway isn't america. Why the fuck are you defending a mass murderer? You can be critical of western society and policies without needing to defend the likes of Stalin. Hell you can even defend the Sovjet union without having to defend fucking Stalin
I know this because various authors sponsored by the US clandestine services have told me so, in very enthusiastic yet vague terms
OP seems to think that America == bad therefore not America == good, and that the concept of nuance is western propaganda.
Didn't Stalin help Hitler invade Poland?
Nope, that is one of the myths this meme is referring to.
Edit: never mind, you're asking in bad faith like the right wing troll you are
No. When Soviet troops entered eastern Poland on September 17th 1939, the Polish state had already collapsed. The government fled to Romania September 15th. Warsaw was already burning. The army was broken. The lands the USSR moved into were also not Poland proper but territories Poland had seized and occupied by force in 1919-1921 from Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. Moving in to secure this land saved millions from extermination.
Whether the territory truly belonged to Poland is irrelevant. Frankly, I don't give a shit whether Stalin was justified or if Poland was already collapsed. It's just a matter of fact that they helped invade Poland. Russia and Poland still had a skirmish. Stalin and Hitler were in the talks. No reason to dance around it.
But just downvote me, it's fine.
You believe this but it is in fact not a fact in the slightest. Again the soviets only entered "Poland" after the government had already fled and the army collapsed, they also only entered areas of Ukraine, Lithuania and Belarus that were under occupation by Poland from the interwar period. Not to mind it only came to this as the western powers and chiefly Poland refused to allow the soviets passage through Poland and a real alliance to fight Hitler in Czechoslovakia, with Poland preferring to ally with Hitler in attacking Czechoslovakia and the western powers preferring appeasement.
Also on the talks Slavs were one of the main "untermench" laid out in MeinKamf, there was never going to be any sort of real pact or alliance there both sides knew this. The Molotov Ribbentrop was a temporary nonaggression pact signed by the soviets after every attempt to form an anti Nazis alliance had failed and every other power had signed pacts with Hitler. It's goal was to delay the inevitable long enough for the Soviets to industrialise after the civil war and to move the key factories beyond the Urals. This plan was clearly vindicated by history as the soviets dealt 80% of the Nazi casualties and the factories beyond the Urals allowed a quick counter offensive once the sieges of Stalingrad had been won and Moscow and Kursk had been held.
Why did you ask the question if you were just going to argue with the answer, to the point of just declaring that reality it wrong and that you're just going treat your beliefs as "fact"
Part of the act
You are right and these people practically negating an invasion that happened Is stupid, but everyobe was in talk with Hitler, even Poland and UK
Also, didn't Poland annex Czechoslovakia along with Hitler's Munich agreement with the Western regimes?
U S S R was against that and even proposed a united front against Nazi Germany, but was ignored.