Yes. But the source code should also be available at no cost, and you should be able to build it yourself right? So freedom should be a superset of free.
Being able to build it yourself is a must: otherwise you can't make/share changes (and use changes from others).
I lean towards a "pay want you want" models (including 0) as DRM is pointless. But no, I do not believe binaries or code must cost nothing for it to still be free software.
I think people say FOSS and FLOSS interchangeably and come to say FLOSS due to floss being as established word (dental floss). If you know of "libre" then that you probably know the free software vs open source distintion too and would just choose to say one.
I'm arguing right now with a user who things that the developer of rsync should either change how they write code or hand over their project to someone that meets their personal standards for how software should be written.
Have you mentioned yet that anyone can do that second one by making their own fork? And that no one is required to give a fuck about how they think it should be done?
Yes! They don't believe forking is good enough because his version of rsync is mainline. That's why he thinks the rsync developer needs to give up his project to someone else.
What an entitled and dumb twat. I guess he didn't think it through that the guy maintaining it now doesn't have some magical ability to tell who would be a good new owner and "handing over the mainline" to any one person could screw people more than any AI changes because that new person might be malicious or neglectful.
Forks need to earn trust and it's best that that step isn't skipped by some inheritance. Not that there even is any obligation to hand it off no matter how many people rely on it or complain.
And the comparison with ms or Google was dumb because I didn't expect them to do it the way I wanted and stopped using what I could to get away from where they were going and any expectation that they hand over their projects to someone else would be ridiculous (and Google open source projects have been forked).
I mean I understand the reasoning behind the problem with "x is mainline": distros.
Most software at the utility level rsync sits at, reaches final users (the ones who complain) not by direct download, but by being aggregated by distros. And unfortunately even highly respected distros like Debian have decided to accept AI in rsync even with the resulting data loss.
I was warned beforehand enough that I pinned rsync in 3.4.1 while it still was in my system, and it will remain so for the short term while I wait for this whole thing to settle down amicably.
Not to take away from the point but the F in FOSS stands for "Free as in freedom" and not free as in price.
It's FLOSS in the image. Free Libre Open Source Software
i wonder, why have i never heard "GLOSS (Gratis Libre Open Source Software)" used
it would make sense
That's also a nice acronym. I like it better actually.
The SAAS provider is BOSS
Billed Open Source Software
That sounds fabulous. 💅
I vote that we adopt this immediately.
Ohhhhh I didn’t know that, thank you :)
Though if it’s truly freedom, then it should also be free as in price. One is a superset of the other.
You can charge for free software, for the binary and/or source code - bandwidth/storage ain't free.
Yes. But the source code should also be available at no cost, and you should be able to build it yourself right? So freedom should be a superset of free.
Being able to build it yourself is a must: otherwise you can't make/share changes (and use changes from others).
I lean towards a "pay want you want" models (including 0) as DRM is pointless. But no, I do not believe binaries or code must cost nothing for it to still be free software.
Isn't that what the L for Libra means?
I think people say FOSS and FLOSS interchangeably and come to say FLOSS due to floss being as established word (dental floss). If you know of "libre" then that you probably know the free software vs open source distintion too and would just choose to say one.
Free as in beer.
Free Open Source Software.
PR||GTFO
You me a word
How do I shot web?
I'm arguing right now with a user who things that the developer of rsync should either change how they write code or hand over their project to someone that meets their personal standards for how software should be written.
Have you mentioned yet that anyone can do that second one by making their own fork? And that no one is required to give a fuck about how they think it should be done?
Yes! They don't believe forking is good enough because his version of rsync is mainline. That's why he thinks the rsync developer needs to give up his project to someone else.
https://feddit.online/comment/8502390
What an entitled and dumb twat. I guess he didn't think it through that the guy maintaining it now doesn't have some magical ability to tell who would be a good new owner and "handing over the mainline" to any one person could screw people more than any AI changes because that new person might be malicious or neglectful.
Forks need to earn trust and it's best that that step isn't skipped by some inheritance. Not that there even is any obligation to hand it off no matter how many people rely on it or complain.
And the comparison with ms or Google was dumb because I didn't expect them to do it the way I wanted and stopped using what I could to get away from where they were going and any expectation that they hand over their projects to someone else would be ridiculous (and Google open source projects have been forked).
I mean I understand the reasoning behind the problem with "x is mainline": distros.
Most software at the utility level rsync sits at, reaches final users (the ones who complain) not by direct download, but by being aggregated by distros. And unfortunately even highly respected distros like Debian have decided to accept AI in rsync even with the resulting data loss.
I was warned beforehand enough that I pinned rsync in 3.4.1 while it still was in my system, and it will remain so for the short term while I wait for this whole thing to settle down amicably.
The entitlement is strong in that one!
It's so nice of her to open her mouth that much so the cat and get to work with the floss he's been maintaining!
eta wen?
Is this libre open source software?
As someone who works with COSS, most folks are fine with us charging for stuff, so long as their specific use case gets to be free.