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Norway knows that in 30 years energy will be renewable. They have to pump now to turn their oil and gas into money.

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ranzispareply
mander.xyz

There's plenty uses of oil which are not related to energy production.

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plythreply
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I know, like fertilizers and plastics. With cheap energy from renewables, the risk is that other processes become more efficient. When kerosine can be synthesized efficiently everything else can, too.

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ranzispareply
mander.xyz

Not impossible, but definitely not in 30 years. This may one day become normality, bus as of now all chemical production strictly depends on petrol.

As of now, no petrol means no medicines in the hospitals.

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China needs petrol independence. They are at risk of a naval blockade and of losing Russia and they have the solar energy. They are about to create synthetic kerosine. I expect full independence much sooner than 30 years.

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sopuli.xyz

Doubling down on oil and gas infrastructure makes you LESS stable and resilient though? This just makes the problem worse.

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Bobreply
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Would you rather have your oil and gas from the US, Russia, or the Middle East? The EU is still reliant on oil and gas at the moment, and Norway is the EU's most reliable supplier by a mile. You should work hard to become energy independent, but that can't happen over night.

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Optionalreply
lemmy.world

The EU is still reliant on oil and gas at the moment

Despite having had a literal lifetime to change that.

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Bobreply
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Strategic autonomy didn't seem like a pressing issue to me until Russia invaded the Ukraine, to be honest. I'm sure a large part of the population has been similarly complacent.

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nobody has envisioned the stupidity of current russian leadership

In 1997, George F. Kennan (the architect of Cold War containment) deplored enlargement as "the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era," warning it would inflame Russian nationalism, empower hardliners, and inevitably precipitate conflict along Russia's borders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_opposition_to_NATO_enlargement

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sopuli.xyz

You should work hard to become energy independent, but that can't happen over night.

The only thing holding back alternative energy is people refusing to let go of this dogma.

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Dfq is 'alternative' energy? Hydro got memory now?

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Ooopsreply
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Oh, they don't actually use it themselves. So the correct thing to say is doubling down on oil and gar makes them richer, fuck everyone else stupid enough to buy

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Climate change fucks them too, though. But yes, they'll be richer while getting fucked.

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