DeSantis says men should pay child support beginning at conception
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They're putting themselves into an awkward position to have to accept that a fetus is a person and thus eligible to receive tax deductions, use the car pool lane, etc.
Republicans will do anything to avoid admitting they were wrong.
The closest you're going to get is when they stopped talking about W after it was clear he was a dangerous dipshit in over his head.
Now they won't even do that, since Trump is twice the dipshit and a hundred times more incompetent.
I think they'd gladly accept those changes. I agree that men should be financially responsible from the point of conception but the language of calling it "child support" is definitely intentional and nefarious. They want zygotes to be looked at socially and legally as people to legitimize total abortion bans and the harsh punishments that follow.
It also gives the father power over the mother. Just wait for: He pays for it, so he should have a say in whatever the mother does.
As though abortion bans don't incentivize rape already.
I find incentivizing rape a bit out there. Rape is a crime of violence usually perpetrated with no thought to whether or not their would be a child. This is more nefarious. It continues to erode women's self autonomy with the end goal to eventually reduce them to little more than breeding stock.
Forcing a woman to carry and deliver a child often forces them to remain dependent on their partner, thus increasing his control over her
If you scroll through incel forums or read the research papers regarding their communities this particular kind of rape and forced birth revenge is an outright fetish in those communities supported by a shameful amount of anime porn that services that particular fantasy.
Rendering women to breeding stock is definitely the more widespread concern but I am not sure calling it further insentive for rape is actually all that off base.
They're also putting themselves into an awkward position because this impacts men. Reactionaries only want the bae things to happen to other people.
I want to see how this goes in court when people can't test paternity for months. You see it makes a decent headline but is neither applicable nor effective for government or citizens.
I want to know what happens in the event of a miscarriage. Is the man still on the line for child support?
Does life insurance have to pay out on miscarriage? Find ways to make rich people lose money with this and I'll bet you'll start finding solutions.
I'm pretty sure this is just another step to make miscarriages punishable. If they can wrangle zygote personhood they can make any abortion both illegal and murder. They can then try to punish any women who miscarry.
Kinda like that drunk driving child support law im Texas. Sounds wonderful until you realize said driver will be in jail and not making money
Sounds about right.
They'll support women and fetuses right up until birth then it's "I got mine fuck you" as they cackle about poor kids suffering.
Oh but we'll have the imaginary issue of "conception queens" who get pregnant in December and abort in January just to get tax breaks
They'll envision it as this widescale issue that doesn't actually exist
This will not have the effect you think it does.
This will make dudes kill a lot of pregnant ladies.
With they then be charged with double-murder?
DeSantis is unfit for leadership for a plethora of reasons
While I agree that some dude who gets a female pregnant should chip in for prenatal expenses, I’m sure the intended consequence of this law is to mess with the status of the fetus in regards to abortion.
Female, good grief
Too sterile?
Would you prefer “chick”?
Baby momma?
How about "woman".
Does this include rapists? What about women who rape men or boys and they get pregnant, are those men/boys on the hook for child support too? With Republicans knee jerk reactions and blanket laws, then yes, probably.
Find me an American conservative that even believes women are capable of something they would call "rape" and I'll be shocked.
The courts would not know what to do with this. You need to either have verified paternity or be acting in a fatherly role to be on the hook for child support. You can't fulfill either conditions on conception.
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Essentially it requires amniotic fluid sampling to establish paternity, which presents a danger to the fetus and makes this bill toothless. Also theoretically allows awarding retroactively after paternity is established. I'm not totally against it frankly, prenatal care is vital and expensive. I'd rather the state just pay for it though and the wording obviously needs to be thrown out.
Wtf. They simultaneously want to stop population decline by having more babies, but are creating the atmosphere where no one will have sex. This is Handmaid’s Tale logic.
The idea is everyone gets married at twenty. You can't just not have a sex drive. But you must use it as they wish.
Prom night just keeps getting more expensive.
Dear republican traitors: come get your boy, he's drunk in public
DeSantis says a lot of really stupid shit. This is no different.
I mean, at least the guy is consistent in his shitfuckery.
Isn’t this the dude who was given a bronze star for participating at guantanamo? Like he didn’t even do anything, they just gave it to him because he has no self esteem and is a just a bitch ass loser?
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