Apollo had Vietnam, Artemis has Iran...
What is this recurring connection between big missiles sending men to the moon and the military industrial complex sending expeditionary forces overseas?
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What is this recurring connection between big missiles sending men to the moon and the military industrial complex sending expeditionary forces overseas?
No matter when you launch the rocket, the US will be in some war overseas.
Ftfy
Dude…
The US has always been at war.
All empires are always at war…
Yeah, but Vietnam was a pinnacle of sorts, and Iran started pushing really hard and fast as launch day approached...
Pinnacle in what way?
Draftee casualties in a US proxy war.
Vietnam wasn't a proxy war for the US, it was a proxy war for Russia.
There were orders of magnitude MORE draftee causalities for the US in WWII than Viet Nam.
In percentages or raw numbers?
I just went down a mini rabbit hole.
WW2: 10 million drafted, 16 million in the service. 400,000 casualties overall. I couldn't find anything that split casualty figures by volunteer/drafted status.
Vietnam: 1.9 million conscripted. About 17,000 casualties among the drafted.
There were orders of magnitude MORE draftee protests in the US for Vietnam than WWII. Vietnam was the last conscription conflict for the US, even through today.
Classic example of correlation not being causation.
While the relationships may not be causal, there are literally millions of connections.
Ok, since there are literally millions of connections, list 50.
Start with the thousands of contractors who drift back and forth between NASA and military contracts.
That's not millions of links, though. It's just that building rockets is a thing only a handful of companies are equipped to do.
The better metric to look at is which country is the US trying to show up. In 69 it was Russia, and today it's China.
Each contract worker is a link. Each company is a link. Each congress critter playing for missile pork projects in their district is a link. And this isn't just about the missiles, as you say: who are we trying to impress? What are we trying to get in exchange for that impression?
It's not about getting something in exchange. It's about showing off with a display of power.
Pretty sure Artemis was in the works long before this. If you want to talk suspiciously convenient timing, look at the intervention in Venezuela just before before Iran.
Artemis has been in the works for over 20 years, this is the first time the project didn't get delayed for ... reasons.
Wasn’t Artemis II meant to launch in 2023?
I believe it has been pushed back multiple times.
The space race and proxy wars were a huge part of the cold war, and now, many things point to some kind of new cold war. I'm surprised by the amount of people claiming that there's no connection.
FWIW,
In 2024 Trump won:
49.8% of the popular vote,
312 Electoral College votes,
and,
31 states + ME-02
In 1972 Nixon won:
60.7% of the popular vote,
520 Electoral College votes,
and,
49 states
Two months and 2 days later, Nixon turned 60.
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Nixon played football, and at 32 years of age, became a lieutenant commander in the United States Navy;
Cadet Bone Spurs, however, plays golf.
Nixon talked with Armstrong and Aldrin during their moonwalk: "the most historic phone call ever made from the White House".
Trump, however, has a hissyfit while on his stupid website on Easter.
Monument building is the reaction of a scared nation. It's historically been a cheap way to boost national unity