Leftists sometimes use it as an insult because liberals are still capitalists or because liberals in the U.S. have an ineffective "reach across the aisle, " "civility politics" reputation. I've mostly heard it from tankies (who are not leftists, IMO) or from leftist using it in more of a tounge-in-cheek manner though.
Essentially just boils down to: “You care about other people you evil scumbag. Not like me, I’m a patriot, I’ve got mine, screw everyone else.”
I've learned that liberal has a very different meaning if it comes from tankies, communists or non-americans than it does if if it comes from a Republican, and my knowledge of world politics is honestly too limited to fully understand why that is and if it's for different reasons for each of the above groups
But I agree with the person you're replying to, everyone I've encountered who uses "liberals" as an insult has not been a terribly pleasant person to interact with.
Not a tankie but a leftist. Liberalism enshrines private property rights and free markets as tenets of freedom. From a leftist perspective, it's equivalent to stating that the only way to end gun violence is more guns. It's not just wrong to state, it's antithetical to the goal.
It's not being used like conservatives use it (any one left of me politically) but in its more traditional sense, the foundation of the US and countries who followed that model (most "developed" countries)
Yeah you nailed it, leftists use the term "liberal" in its classic context, as you have described. Tankies tend to use it as a pejorative while other leftists usually use it descriptively, and are more likely to use "neoliberal" pejoratively instead. This does depend on which community you're browsing though.
From a leftist perspective, it’s equivalent to stating that the only way to end gun violence is more guns
Just want to note that Marx said the working class must be armed, and there are many leftists who agree. Gun control is not a left position, it is an authoritarian one. Important distinction imo.
Or I never see communists here talk about fascists and the far right the same way they talk about liberals or anyone else on or near the left who doesn't quite meet their purity test. Almost as if they prefer the company of nazis.
Go to any place gamers chat and you will see people hating each other over specific games or genres far more than talking about the politics hovering over gaming. Internal fighting is always going to be loudest when there is not any major external work to be done.
Countries are pivoting towards fascism by the dozens. There is plenty of major external work to be done. Yet the infighting always seems to be increasing on the left.
Oh there is work to be done but these people either don't see it or don't understand how to begin. They look at the presidency and go "huh I can't do anything". Meanwhile they don't even know the names of their city councillors or what they're voting on. Start small.
It means "brigading", specifically "brigading by shitpost", basically "bullying". They use the term themselves for their own behaviour on communities outside of their own instance here on lemmy, and it is very typical of their authoritarian beliefs.
You say a thing that pisses them off on any random community.
They link and @you in their "dunk" community and try to bait you into replying there.
Or, they just use that post as a rally to get people to come to the thread you were on.
They then hammer you with "well america is terrible too" and genocide denial and just general shittiness. Essentially trying to one up you any way they can, then congratulating themselves on "dunking" you.
What's perplexing is how the use of terminology (everyone is librul) is straight from the capitalist newspeak dictionary. Why the insistence to follow and strengthen capitalist dogma but be against capitalist hegemony in name
Never met a pleasant person who used liberal as an insult.
That's because it makes no sense as an insult.
Essentially just boils down to: "You care about other people you evil scumbag. Not like me, I'm a patriot, I've got mine, screw everyone else."
And then they claim you've been "owned", which they have to tell you, because otherwise it isn't apparent.
Leftists sometimes use it as an insult because liberals are still capitalists or because liberals in the U.S. have an ineffective "reach across the aisle, " "civility politics" reputation. I've mostly heard it from tankies (who are not leftists, IMO) or from leftist using it in more of a tounge-in-cheek manner though.
I've learned that liberal has a very different meaning if it comes from tankies, communists or non-americans than it does if if it comes from a Republican, and my knowledge of world politics is honestly too limited to fully understand why that is and if it's for different reasons for each of the above groups
But I agree with the person you're replying to, everyone I've encountered who uses "liberals" as an insult has not been a terribly pleasant person to interact with.
Not a tankie but a leftist. Liberalism enshrines private property rights and free markets as tenets of freedom. From a leftist perspective, it's equivalent to stating that the only way to end gun violence is more guns. It's not just wrong to state, it's antithetical to the goal.
It's not being used like conservatives use it (any one left of me politically) but in its more traditional sense, the foundation of the US and countries who followed that model (most "developed" countries)
Yeah you nailed it, leftists use the term "liberal" in its classic context, as you have described. Tankies tend to use it as a pejorative while other leftists usually use it descriptively, and are more likely to use "neoliberal" pejoratively instead. This does depend on which community you're browsing though.
Just want to note that Marx said the working class must be armed, and there are many leftists who agree. Gun control is not a left position, it is an authoritarian one. Important distinction imo.
To a U.S. conservative: librul = commy = bad.
To a tankie: librul = conservative with extra steps = bad.
That's the short and sweet of it.
I mean, it might be because you're a liberal—one who believes that liberals are beyond reproach.
Or I never see communists here talk about fascists and the far right the same way they talk about liberals or anyone else on or near the left who doesn't quite meet their purity test. Almost as if they prefer the company of nazis.
Go to any place gamers chat and you will see people hating each other over specific games or genres far more than talking about the politics hovering over gaming. Internal fighting is always going to be loudest when there is not any major external work to be done.
Countries are pivoting towards fascism by the dozens. There is plenty of major external work to be done. Yet the infighting always seems to be increasing on the left.
Oh there is work to be done but these people either don't see it or don't understand how to begin. They look at the presidency and go "huh I can't do anything". Meanwhile they don't even know the names of their city councillors or what they're voting on. Start small.
What is “dunking?” Most of their interactions are basically the bird leaf meme, and I don’t know if they consider that dunking.
It means "brigading", specifically "brigading by shitpost", basically "bullying". They use the term themselves for their own behaviour on communities outside of their own instance here on lemmy, and it is very typical of their authoritarian beliefs.
Basically means they all say it's fine because America did XYZ over and over. Or call people liberals until they feel better about themselves.
You say a thing that pisses them off on any random community.
They link and @you in their "dunk" community and try to bait you into replying there.
Or, they just use that post as a rally to get people to come to the thread you were on.
They then hammer you with "well america is terrible too" and genocide denial and just general shittiness. Essentially trying to one up you any way they can, then congratulating themselves on "dunking" you.
Dunking is their version of this community
Except this community doesn't link to the original comment and tell everyone to go fuck with them
What's perplexing is how the use of terminology (everyone is librul) is straight from the capitalist newspeak dictionary. Why the insistence to follow and strengthen capitalist dogma but be against capitalist hegemony in name
Fascists gonna fascism
Horseshoe theory
Stethoscope theory
Debunked so so many times. Left is left and red fash is not
"Dunked on" goddamn they are so fucking annoying
If censorship is filtering, then I guess jailing journalists means affordable state housing for people of the press
These mental gymnastics are just something else