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lemmy.world

vendor collaboration is difficult to get right. hope it all goes well.

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I loved my Moto devices. The first Droid was awesome with the slider. Feels like another world back then.

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I wanted to finally buy a pixel 10 this year. I guess that now i will be waiting to buy the real phone.

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Motorola Solutions and Motorola Mobility are not the same. Motorola as a singular brand does not mean what it once did. The former spun off the latter and sold it. Mobile Phones are NOT a product of the firm with said ties.

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sopuli.xyz

Isn't Motorola a chinese company?

It's hard - to me at least - to believe that Motorola is allowed to provide a device without backdoor(s). What's the catch here?

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gidreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

Motorola Mobility is American, and a subsidiary of Lenovo who are Chinese.

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lemmy.world

American is not better. Anybody remember Edward Snowden? I'm sure it's only gotten worse since then.

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nfreakreply
lemmy.ml

The US is far, far more of a threat than China even remotely is. That being said, I highly doubt the GOS devs would even consider any collaboration if a backdoor was ever a possibility.

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The possibility of backdoors is unavoidable, and it's part of their threat model. It's why the mobile baseband is isolated, for example.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

The US is far, far more of a threat than China even remotely is

If you're American*

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

or any global north country, honestly, especially in the five eyes

there’s not much one could do to anger the chinese government enough for them to risk sending agents to kidnap or kill a westerner

all the US needs is a request to law enforcement

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artyomreply
piefed.social

or any global north country, honestly, especially in the five eyes

I dunno what that means. US doesn't have jurisdiction outside the US, just like China doesn't have jurisdiction outside of China, so not a whole lot they can do to you. I have heard of Chinese kidnapping their own people who fled to the US, but I'm not sure how true that is.

all the US needs is a request to law enforcement

In the US, yes. Not even that, really.

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China having police stations in the europe for example is a bit much to me.

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Oh yeah, to be clear I was just clarifying the structure. I don't consider American companies to be any more trustworthy than companies based elsewhere.

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sopuli.xyz

So does that mean that collaboration is done with American company and not Chinese company?

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Simple answer is yes.

However, Lenovo have full legal and financial control over Motorola. But because Motorola is a subsidiary, it's legally distinct from its parent company. And because it's incorporated in the USA it has to be compliant with US law. So, for example, Lenovo is not permitted to compel Motorola to violate US law.

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For as long as major powers control the production of the majority of computing devices this will be true. But as far as I know there are no short term alternatives for completely open mobile device hardware... so if hardware backdoors are in your threat model then unfortunately mobile devices are not for you...better stick to the very small community of open hardware for laptop/desktop computers for your communication needs.

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