Discussion thread - September 2023
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Starting to miss ArrNL. The type of election discussion there doesn't really exist anywhere else
My theory is that making this place into a community where that sort of discussion happens is a numbers game. We have 123 subscribers today and that number is growing by about 1% per day. It seems that we're getting about 1 'active' subscriber (familiar names who post content or contribute to the threads with some regularity) for every 25 or so overall subscribers. At those growth and engagement rates, we would have about 400 members and 16 of us active by the end of the year - this place will feel pretty active. It already feels a lot more active than 6-8 weeks ago when I was effectively the only one posting most weeks and most posts were getting no comments.
I think all we need to do to facilitate that growth is to keep posting and commenting regularly here ourselves - be the change, etc - make m/Neoliberal look like an interesting and active place where other people want to subscribe, post and comment themselves.
(N.B. If those growth and engagement rates carry on through next year, that would take us to around 1,000 subscribers / 40 active by end-March and 2,500 / 100 by end-June - a pretty booming community as we go through the US election season. On the one hand, I expect our growth should slow eventually, but 2,500 subscribers is still such a small fraction of the current Threadiverse that I see no reason that's unachievable! I also think that the US, UK and European Parliament all having elections next year will be a big boon to political communities generally, so there's reasons to think we could grow faster not slower. And that's without Reddit doing something else to drive the next wave of exodus...)
I mean I agree. I don't see any reason NL needs to be on Reddit. But until that happens I'm def missing out on election info
Agreed. There is no reason it needs to be exclusively on reddit and having the community on more than one platform is a good idea. Being dependent on one platform is not smart lol.
A big part of the challenge we are facing now is that reddit has developed a monopoly of sorts on forums over the last 10+ years.
Yeah, it really is a numbers game. I also think the elections next year will help as well. Though, as time goes on I think we should expect the 90%, 9%, 1% rule to be the norm.
I also think one of the bigger hurdles to clear will be having viable, third-party apps. I think not having these in June stymied the reddit diaspora and if these had been up-and-running then we would probably have even more engagment now. I am hoping that Artemis exiting beta and Kbin finalizing its API soon will also help fuel growth. The simple reality is that most people use their phones moreso than their computers nowadays, so we need a good mobile portal. The webapp is good, but it's not really a replacement for a mobile app. I know lemmy has a few options with memmy and mlem, amongst some others, but even they were not ready in June.
Right now, it looks like a lot of our engagment comes from kbin.social, lemmy.world, mastodo.neoliber.al, sh.itjust.works, and some people from beehaw. I think I occasionally see some people from lemm.ee.
For those curious, here is the link to the subreddit stats for r/neoliberal: https://subredditstats.com/r/neoliberal
For whatever reason, the subreddit existed as five people for years and then took off in early 2017. I think that had to do with r/badeconomics and much of reddit taking a hard left (even moreso than it was before). I don't remember exactly. Regardless, I think we just need to keep posting and commenting until we hit a critical mass.
I was able to get my kbin thread booster bot for the NL mastodon working. Mastodon seems to still have some weirdness with Lemmy posts to Kbin showing up as Lemmy links instead of posts, but the bot is correctly finding the kbin threads and boosting them, which is allowing the posts to be visible to the NL Mastodon users. You can also follow @nl_kbin_booster from other Mastodon accounts too. I'll get the code out here in the next few days but let me know if you have any thoughts or questions.
This is great!
I'm going to make the main repo for this project on #Codeberg instead of Github, though I'm working on putting up a mirror over there too. Codeberg seems great for anything FOSS that you don't want to self-host, though you do lose out some Github features. Feel free to take a look at my quick and dirty work: (CW: limited tests, sloppy work - its a hobby project)
https://codeberg.org/neblib/boost-kbin-mag-bot
Sounds awesome! What is the best way to test this? Assuming I understand correctly, all we would need to do is make a thread and the bot would find it and boost it to Mastodon?
@CoffeeAddict that's correct. I had a bug in my scheduler last night which made it miss your Armenia post, but I ran with a wider window to pick up those and it should be working now.
The bot pulls the thread RSS at https://kbin.social/rss?magazine=Neoliberal once an hour and then for each post since the last run:
@CoffeeAddict I could make it run more aggressively, but I figure an hour should be fine. I went with RSS as KBin's API is very undocumented. Interestingly, I just found out this morning they also support jsonfeed, which could allow me to remove a rss reading dependency.
@Neblib
I see it now! I think once an hour should be fine.
And yeah, I believe ernest (Kbins developer) is still working on the API. The last I heard it should be released/updated soon...ish lol.
Right now, I believe only artemis.camp is running kbins API, but even that version is not quite finished. My understanding is that Artemis uses scraping for rest.
Personally, I am excited for the API to be finished and Artemis to support kbin.social, but these things take time to do right.
Still though, this bot is a great step in the right direction for communicating between our communities on #kbin and #mastodon.
I’m thinking I might take a look at Why Nations Fail for a bit of light reading.
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