Trump says US has "captured" Venezuelan President Maduro and his wife in "large scale strike"
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This sets an alarming precedent where a sitting us president can kidnap the acting head of another country (elected or not) which is an act of war, without the us being at war or having authorization from congress.
see the logic is only the US can, anybody else cant even arrest netanyahu when he flies over their airspace cuz for some reason that would also be an act of war towards the US
You seem to not understand the term precedent. Neither is that a new thing to do for the US nor is it actually requiring congress authorisation. They gave up that power long ago and now don't need to autorise anything for up to 90 days.
Also the US has not declared war once since WW2... They actually set the precedent for "military operations" and -again- not recently either.
Technically no. Congress passed the AUMF which let the President go after anyone they deemed complicit in 9/11. It did not declare war against specific nations iirc.
It's an act of war, not a declaration.
I DECLARE WAR
It's normally done by congress before they start shooting missiles.
"I didn't say it, I declared it!"
But seriously, declaration of war is a legal term specific to each country internal law system. War, as a legal term, hasn't actually been a thing either in international law since the 50s. It was changed to armed conflict. Which, before you think is stupid and why not call a spade a spade, is actually not that stupid. It created a well defined but much broader concept that (this is the important bit) is independent of a country's internal law standing or diplomatic declarations thereof. If a situation fulfills the criteria, then it is an armed conflict whether the countries involved like it or declared it. It gives tools to nation states and international organizations to do certain things on the international stage more freely in these situations even when the countries involved don't want them to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
I already hate 2026
It's going to be worse than 2025..
Americans did nothing and things got worse. Who could have foreseen this?
So alcoholism it is.
Guys, it's fine. Remember? Trump has the FIFA peace price.
Where's the problem? No winner of the FIFA peace price has started less and ended more wars than Trump. 😉
Nor has any winner raped more kids than Trump
I'm starting to thing the Fifa Peace Prize may not actually mean very much...
so you're telling me the "peace president" started another war? Unpossible. /s
He's gonna go to war in Venezuela to stop people from talking about him in the epstein files
No, he did it for money. USA is a agressor.
Both.
I like that line of thinking as much as the next guy, but it strikes me as wildly misguided that the US politics has reduced to that. Like, I get the symbolic aspects of the Epstein's files for politics, but still think it is mindless engagement.
An indisputably genuine video of Trump raping a literal toddler could be released tomorrow and nothing would change. Their support base and the gears of power are already too deeply entwined to his personality. No amount of public rage or national indignation changes governments.
Okay now do Putin. I'll wait....
Oh no. Ukraine attacked his house and that crossed a serious line.
There are rules of decency in this world
“Attacked.”
And they didn't even do that most likely. And Russia is making such a big stink about it, meanwhile Dumbtits is sending Seal Team Six to break into a world leaders house and abduct his family.
I'm so sick of morons being in charge. I'm sick of the people in charge thinking that we are all morons and can't see what's obvious. I'm also sick of pedophiles not getting imprisoned or shot.
They will kidnap Zelensky before Putin.
Maduro is just as bad as Trump or Putin. Still it sets a very bad precedent when the US starts acting like Russia. Who will be next?
It doesn't matter how bad Maduro is, this is wrong and illegal. Period.
Idk I think if he was literally Hitler or worse it could be justified.
But he wasn't and isn't, so it's for sure wrong and unjustified.
I could argue that he is just as horrible as Hitler but just to a smaller set of people and that it is justified. But I also bet that wouldn't change your mind. That's the problem with crimes against humanity, suffering can't be quantified. And it never would feel justified until it happens to you.
Just follow the unexploited oil reserves
Not just oil, pretty sure I heard the other day Canada just found the largest lithium reserve on the planet...
They'll be an uneasy ally for the next 20 to 30 years while we burn through the oil we're stealing from Venezuela. When the cost of mining/ importing lithium becomes more expensive than stealing it from Canada, we'll start bombing them. Hopefully the empire falls before that happens.
If you knew what that meant and the damage (long and short term) it would cause for the entire planet you wouldn't be saying that.
The Balkinazition of America would lead to WW3, except people probably wouldn't live that long to call it that.
Just look at the shit show govenors we have in the states with our ICBM sites.
You think the dude that body slammed a reporter during his campaign is above pointing the nukes in his state at his neighbor and demanding they surrender terrorist?
You think Texas won't try to take over Mexico with what they have of the remaining US military?
You think Russia wouldn't immediately invade Alaska?
You think we'll be able to keep food in stores and Americans will be able to afford enough to live?
America collapsing wouldn't be good for anyone.
If half your cabin burns down during winter 100s of miles from the nearest human, you don't burn the rest down. You patch it up as best you can until you either rebuild it or have a new one to move into. That's what we need to do when it's beyond saving, try to make it last long enough that we have something to pivot to besides "Mad Max 15: this time with more guns!"
Ok. Did I say I want to move to a "mad max 15" kind of world? No. I'm just ready for the American empire to move past it's imperialism phase. It would be nice to live in a nation that consistently cooperates with the rest of the world in our species shared goal of making life better for all of us. It would also be nice to not live as a wage slave in this shitty empire. There are many paths we could take towards that world that don't involve total anarchy or venture capitalist "libertarian" experimentation on the general public.
Mexico, according to Trump.
I'm skeptical though, since Mexico doesn't famously have huge reserves of oil. Still, he does really hate brown people, so that might be enough.
Canada, Mexico.
It's not like we this is the USAs first rodeo
What country did Maduro invade to be as bad as Putin or Trump?
Invading a country isn't the only factor to determine how bad a dictator is.
No, the main factor is how strong your state propaganda is against him.
Long live Maduro and the Bolivarian revolution, death to America
Looks like the USA managed to buy the local army or something. Well, it went unexpectedly smoothly. Maduro really didn't look like the elected president. Not sure if USA puppet would be better though...
Depends on how much money you have invested in American oil companies
He wasn't elected, he just denied the results of the election
That’s usually the kind of thing that gets you on trumps good side though
I read that the US was offering a $50 million bounty for anyone who provided info that led to his arrest
All eyes on Taiwan next…
Respectfully, I think you mean "should be". Nothing has happened to make me believe that any of these fuckers will be held accountable for their bullshit.
Because we had no option than Biden, one of the most popular Dem Senators of all time (among Republican senators....)
Dem politicians didnt like Biden, Dem voters didn't like Biden....
But the donors Hillary handed the DNC too really liked Biden, so he was the only other option we got.
A shit ton of people knew Biden would never do what was needed, and he didn't.
That doesn't mean the next Dem president won't, just that we need to understand that not everyone with a D next to their name is the same. We have to pick a good one, not just to win, but to actually fix shit so we can hold onto our gains.
We vote for an empty suit the donors want, that's all we're gonna get.
So no matter what happens between now and then, nothing is more important than voting in Dem primaries
That's cute. They won't.
should, but won't.
trump can rape a 13 girl on live TV, throw the resulting a baby in the lake in life TV, and not only would his base still support him. but he legally committed no crimes, because the US is a dictatorship and the every "official" act a US president does, is legal.
gotta go sharpen my pitchfork
Fucking WHY?! Just leave people the fuck alone!
USA has completed it's transition to Russia two nuclear boogaloo
Compared to other actions the US has taken this is a very small scale strike.
The dude just has to lie. It must be a compulsion at this point.