Lemmy is booming
Lemmy is booming
I have never before received so many reactions and comments on my Lemmy posts before, so it's obvious to see, that there are many new members here.
Welcome to all the new! And I'm looking forward to see more of you here.
Cheers!
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I hope Lemmy does well whether reddit implodes or not. Great concept!
Messaging from the Jerboa app I just downloaded from the play store.
A few nights ago I discovered Lemmy as I needed to find a Reddit alternative fast knowing I will longer be able to use Reddit is Fun.
I've been a Redditor for almost 12 years now, I remember when it was a wild community where there was freedom of speech, few bots, it was the best source of memes next to cheezeburger, which was how I discovered Reddit.
I used it nearly everyday, and watched it's decline, I remember when Elena Pao or whatever the fuck her name bought into the company, since then it's become snipped more and more to the point I don't recognize it anymore.
It transformed into some sort of money hungry beast, that is destroying its self from the inside out, trying to get people to use their shitty ad riddled app with a shitty interface.
I am so happy I found you guys, I really want to see Reddit's blackouts go on indefinitely, infact I just wanna watch it burn. It's dead to me, the owners suck, it's just as bad as Facebook and the other main social media platforms now.
Any person I know who uses Reddit, I will point them here.
The Reddit exodus has begun! My only regret is not learning about lemmy and the fediverse before things blew up over there.
As one of the emigredditors, hell yeah! Personally though, I'm still testing the waters and making myself more comfortable here; it's eerily quiet here as compared to reddit, but I hope it's just a matter of time :)
I'm calling it the Reddit APIocolypse.
I prefer Cory Doctorow's "enshittification."
Problem is, reddit has been undergoing an enshittification for nearly a decade. This is just the culmination.
Yes it's been declining for quite some time. There's new good things in smaller subs too, but the "all" feed and most popular ones have become unbearable.
The problem with reddit comes from the top. The APIocolypse is just the latest symptom of core degradation. There's also the rampant abuse of power by mods on some of the most popular subs, the far right/fascists and homophobic/transphobic rhetoric going unpunished by a lot of mods but then coming down on the people who push back against it, the massive influx of bot activity etc etc etc.
Reddit, while being more popular than ever, is now a rotten husk of the beautiful dream it used to be....
I’ve been using redfugees but I think emigredditors is better
Man I knew there had to be a more witty word for this. I'd happily trade the word with redfugees XD
I kinda like the idea of a mass lemmygration.
Yes there's definitely a need for more users to really make things take off, but I believe that's a matter of time, assuming reddit doesn't take a fairly large change of course in the near future. Got to say, it feels a lot more friendly than reddit has lately.
Definitely, especially as someone who always felt a little reserved while writing comments in large subs, talking in a smaller community feels a little more welcoming (・ω<) I'm not too hopeful about reddit's decision making either, even though I see a lot of subs planning a strike in protest to their latest policy
Emigredditors is great lol, I'm stealing that as a fellow emigredditor :)
Have people been clearing out their reddit comment and post history on the way out the door?
I used power delete suite on my 10 year old account. Figuring that when API access gets shut off old.reddit and the ability to edit and delete old comments will go too.
I haven't gotten rid of my content and don't plan to. I had a good six years signed up with Reddit. Some of my comments include tech support and advice. Sure, I've had heated arguments and swore at times but I'm happy to keep what I have so that people don't get confused looking at old historical threads.
This site's like a breath of fresh air, small communities and the excitement of not quite know what you're doing lol, no muscle memory open close and open again
I did that with reddit at least 3 times a day
I'm done with Reddit once July 1st hits...it'll be a change but once Lemmy takes off I can totally see it being a great replacement...already feels like home!
even if reddit backtracks, I like it here so much I plan to stay. Just feels so homey despite being here >week
Yeah, I much prefer Lemmy now that I'm actually here. Gives those "web 1.0" / IRC vibes when communities were smaller
I did not even know lemmy was a thing till people on reddit started talking about it
Same here. r/Privacy was where I first heard of it.
For me, I first heard of it in r/piracy a few months ago, but I actually started understanding what Lemmy is all about all throughout Reddit during the APIpocalypse a few days ago.
Thanks for the welcome! I'm still a bit confused by how this all works, but not gonna lie I think it's pretty cool and I wish I knew about this earlier.
@CheshireSnake
You're welcome! Feel free to ask whatever questions you might have :)
a few years ago it was literally a handful of ppl posting 90% of links and talking to each other, witnessing firsthand how complicated it is to get over that initial user retention bump, but i’m convinced we’re over it now :)
I come back after a couple of weeks and we've quadrupled at least. It comes in waves, and now I'm thinking it may not stop (until some reddit staff make their own BlueSky equivalent, of course)
Welcome to Lemmy's Eternal September!
Though, as I am also a Redfugee, I apologise for the disruption we're about to cause. Hopefully the Fediverse can withstand the "Reddit Hug of Death."
Hah, this is the second "September" I've been through, and it's huge, but I think the eternal one will be the next one. At least a lot of people are learning that lemmy.ml isn't a neutral flagship instance; the hug of death may have been a blessing in disguise, encouraging people to spread to the other instances a little bit more.
Most people who have come over have been pretty good about the thing and tried to learn about the local culture instead of just inventing "reddit, but here" again, honestly, but it's just that the few troublemakers tend to be louder and argumentative.
So I'm part of both Septembers for you then!
My deepest apologies...
I'm really liking lemmy/fediverse, and I feel like I'm being quite respectful, trying to be part of the community that's already here not force it to be Reddit 2.0. I have, sadly, seen a few people being, for lack of a better word, dickheads. They seem to be new, and carrying on with the Reddit toxicity.
Part of why I didn't just buckle down and use the Reddit app when the APIocolypse hits is because I was sick of the toxic nature of so much of the interaction on Reddit. I know there'll be trolls coming, just hope the fediverse can avoid what Reddit became.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask sorry, but how do I tell which comments are new on a thread I've already visited? Like on the frontpage it says "x new comments", but when I go into the thread I can't tell which ones are new. I'm accessing Lemmy using a browser.
iiuc easiest way to tell is to just sort comments by new, also very new comments are temporarily highlighted by a lighter grey background, but that’s about it i think 🤷♀️
So there's no way to easily see which child comments are new since you've last visited the thread?
Even if not, it should be fairly simple to make an extension or userscript that does it. All the necessary data is already on the page. If Lemmy really does blow up I'm sure we'll get something like RES that gives us more frontend customization options.
I just joined today and first impression is great. Seems like a lot of nice people ended up under the same ceiling. :)
Lemmy and the fediverse are such unique and cool concepts. I hope to see Lemmy grow even more in the future!
Let's hope Lemmy becomes a real alternative for reddit. The infrastructure looks good, now we just need the communities.
Exactly my thinking. Very impressive so far, and my only complaint has been finding the communities and the conversations I want to be in. But it will get there! (I hope)
reddit refugee here! So far so good except there’s not a native app for lemmy on iOS so I’m using a safari “add to Home Screen” webapp for lemmy.ml , works pretty good!
Try mlem. I think you’ll need to install TestFlight to get it working.
I can’t comment or vote. Is that feature not available yet?
Aren’t you commenting right now?
Not from the app.
Never installed TestFlight but it said I had to opt in or something. Does TestFlight mean beta apps that aren’t approved to be in the AppStore?
Yes. An update was released today for mlem and it seems much more stable to me. It’s a good time to get in and try it out.
Well alright then I’ll give it a shot!
Its so nice to see decentralized social media becoming more mainstream hopefully everyone will be off the big platforms soon
Really enjoying my time here.
I like it here so far.
This has happened in R's past: see Voat (I wont link it here). I hope we can keep this an open and engaging community without all that hatred.
Mm, I wanted Voat to work out when it first cropped up in Reddit comments, but the exodus of Donaldites meant abandoning that account.
Let's hope a moderated and federated version means any communities of that persuasion can hive themselves off.
The best part about that is they can start their own instance, and your instances admins can block their instance so you'll never have to see it(as beehaw does with lemmygrad). Or if you want to see it, and your instance has them blocked, you can join another instance that doesn't block them or their actual instance.
I think it will work out great if we get a critical mass of content contributors.
Maybe I'll become more active now 🤔
It is cool to see this platform getting some attention as reddit's biggest mistake draws nigh.
i tried lemmy a few months ago but i didn't find enough content. I'm happy to see popularity is going up, and the new android app is a real game changer
What's the new Android app if you don't mind me asking?
Jerboa
i use jerboa ( available on fdroid)
i use jerboa too (from fdroid) and it's my first post ever with it :)
boom !
👍👍👍👍
I am so excited to discover how to navigate around here! looking forward to all of you :)
I still have no idea what I'm doing :)
I'm still learning too, it's a bit of a struggle at first. My advice to Lemmy developers is make onboarding easier and the number one development priority - especially before Reddit drops the hammer July 1.
Stick with it, it makes more sense as you go
it's absolutely awesome here! :-D
I feel like being part of the internet of my youth again.
Random bullshit posts, random memes, it's like when Reddit started! Content made by people, not companies pushing whatever agenda they have
Eh, I'm fine with neutral and minimal moderation of sorts. Anyone that was around to see Voat.co and Ruqqus.com saw it disintegrate pretty quickly, due to the lawlessness and lack of content moderation.
Cheers! Lemmy has been awesome so far! I just need Mlem to be developed more, or have some other iOS developer come in.
On Desktop, it seems Lemmy is at its best right now.
All we need is for Christian the Apollo app developer to port over his app to lemmy
Sync for Reddit on Android is my fav 🤤
Christian might want to talk to Paul Haddad @[email protected] (Tweetbot dev who switched over and now makes Ivory for Mastodon)
Reddit Boost developer for me. Jerboa app is terrible lol.
Any reason not to just improve Jerboa? I don't see anything fundamentally bad with it, and usually it's not great to have a large number of apps for a (currently) narrow use.
Why is it bad to have multiple apps? Just like the dozen of Reddit apps on Android, competition is a good thing.
Plus not everyone wants the same UI, and trying to make a UI that fits everyone is impossible. For example, I cannot stand Sync for Reddit, but I love Boost for Reddit.
There's only a finite amount of resources to work on apps for a given platform. It works fine for Reddit because Reddit is one of the top websites in the world. If all of Lemmy was a subreddit, it wouldn't make it into the top 1000 subreddits. Spreading the amount of effort you can derive from that number of users over a large number of apps is a recipe for low quality apps. I'm not saying just have one app, but think carefully about whether it's better for the ecosystem to simply improve the existing offerings.
People in the Lemmy matrix chat are working on a new Android app (not sure if it’s a redsign of Jerboa or a new app though).
It's not bad at all. It just needs to be refined
Opening this post crashed jerboa 3 times 😂
@frippa
And it worked the 4th time? 😃
After a day or so yes, fortunately
@frippa Okay. Strange that it needed a day for it 😃
Personally I'm excited for my Lord of the meme (lotr memes)s server to eventually get people of the same interest.
I wish clicking that link in jerboa would go to that community in the app instead of opening a browser window.
I wish the same. Also if I could navigate comments with the volume buttons
Edit: If you change the app settings and add link you can make it open the link in app. The problem is Google made it so apps have to get verified
Yeah, turn on in your app settings! I saw this too the other day and it works now.
A setting to open links to lemmy communities or posts in the app? I don't see that in jerboa. How would it even know that a link points to a lemmy instance anyway?
If you're on Android Settings > Apps > Default Apps > Opening Links > Jerboa > Tick all the boxes
I see now, that's not a great solution since it will only work for the whitelisted sites. I've seen talk of mastodon adopting a custom url scheme (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2291). Maybe lemmy should consider something like that too.
Edit: also, checking those settings messed up opening images, when you click on an image, it takes you back to the main screen in the app.
Excuse my ignorance, but can Lemmy and the others handle a Reddit exodus?
Beehaw is already having troubles, guess instances have to ramp up their capacity in their near future
Based on their funding post a few days ago, they're on a digital ocean droplet that costs $18/month or something, so there's plenty of room to scale that up. Whether or not they can afford it or get enough donations to keep it up is debatable. Point is the hosting requirements are fairly low.
I run my own Fediverse Instances.
Friendica, Lemmy, Pixelfed, Peertube...
Yeah Beehaw seems to have been removed from the 'Join a Server' page. I tried maybe 15 times to join Lemmy.ml as well. Honestly hoping these are just small bumps in the road, so it's easier for new users to join!
They should really have on the join lemmy server a guided wizard, like what are you interested in, and then it should basically give them server to join and a "Or I'll choose my own". But then you still have the "Wait I thought I was signing up for lemmy, not lemmy.foo.bar.baz issue. Decentralized is great, but we need a bit of centralization to help onboarding.
Definitely! There needs to be some improvements to user onboarding, it's always one of the biggest painpoints with decentralized platforms.
I'm another reddit refugee and came just yesterday. I'm worried about happening the same that happened with koo when a lot of people migrated from twitter. They had to spend a lot into new resources, and expected a huge growth, but it turned out to be more of a temporary spike than anything. The majority of people already went back to twitter.
But at least for me, I'm here to stay.
Yeah, I'm done with Reddit. Been using it since near when it started, and I've gotten to watch it slowly rot... I'm either here to stay, or I'm just done with it all. Either way, I'm not going back to Reddit.
Over the years I've unsubscribed from more and more of Reddit's default subs. I think I'm only still subbed to aww and til, and I rarely comment on those. Almost all my engagement is with niche subreddits for my topics of interest via a third party app, so until now I've avoided all the rot. If I lose the app, I lose interest in Reddit.
Boom 💥
It's kind of awesome :) A question to others here. I mostly see stuff from beehaw and lemmy.ml on All. Are these the most active servers?
It's not terribly active, but my instance midwest.social has people on it. There are dozens of us! Dozens!
I just submitted an application to join, so soon there will be baker’s dozens!
Found it. Still not able to figure out how to follow communities there from Jebora. The technology community seems like my speed on your server :)
@Parsnip8904
I think so. There was also jeremmy.ml but it doesn't seem to be reachable right now.
Thank you :) I remember seeing a solarpunk and another science server in the list but haven't seen anything from those in my all feed either.
@Parsnip8904
It can be because no one on your instance is following communities from over there. There needs to be at least one follower of a topic/community before posts are pulled to the instance you're on.
Except for lemmygrad, yes.
That seemed like a very strange place :|
Strange is a rather euphemistic word for it.
Well I knew many people who were in a similar place in real life. Most of them were unhappy and struggling in real life and got sucked into an ideology that seemed attractive. Eventually after understanding how it doesn't actually solve the problems they struggle with, most of them end up with non-extreme political learnings.
Many of the people I knew struggled a lot during this period and were exploited by others wanting to take advantage of their lack of exposure and experience.
Tldr; I try to be sympathetic to the people there as I've seen many people suffer a lot in real life going through the same. YMMV.
They are not cultists. There are more people from outside the anglosphere there so you might find them strange but try talking to them, they are normal people.
It feels like you've basically not read anything I've written. You'd be glad to know that I'm not in anglosphere and I don't think people who believe in communism are cultists either.
I've lived in one of the few places in the world where a communist leaning government has been elected on and off for many years and they haven't gone down the authoritarian route but participated in democracy.
None of that make the points I made invalid though.
I'm new around here. Why was it strange?
Basically extreme left. Not in the US politics sense but in the I want armed revolution and China is great sense.
Yes, by quite a margin as well, I believe. It's unfortunate, and the only solution is to make diverse instances and advertise them well :) The fediverse is better if the load is more evenly distributed across instances instead of having most users sit on a couple of instances.
It will happen over time. Lemmy and Beehaw are still infinitesimally small compared to reddit. Trying to push people onto other servers right now is extreme premature optimization.
The issue is that the "first move" advantage is quite real and the momentum gained by lemmy.ml and beehaw.org can easily dwarf diversity on the network. Of course you don't have to aggressively spread people out, but maybe the spotlight should be fairer, so to speak.
Can you explain what the issue is? I think it's all but inevitable that one server will become the "default" server that most people will create an account on first. As they learn more about how everything works, they may choose to create another account on a server with different rules that suite them better. That flow seems much easier to me than putting pressure on new users to pick the "right" server from them off the bat.
It happened with mastodon.social, and it'll probably happen here too.
For what it's worth, having a few "bigger" instances means less confusion for users who don't completely understand federation yet but still want to make the switch. I wouldn't call it a bad thing, they can always turn to another smaller instance later on.
Yes, it is. You can even do new posts by tagging a community such as @lemmy (this one). Put your title on its own line at the start of the toot, and probably put the tag at the end of the toot otherwise it messes up the formatting in the title.
@zugumba
Yes, only if the Mastodon post is posted in a Lemmy community.
@lemmy
i cant help but worry its going to go south as everything does once a critical mass is hit
One of the benefits of the federated model is that instances can fragment into smaller islands if things get too awful being part of the main continent. Though that's also a downside, IMO.
Here's the thing about federated content from a reddit perspective (as I get it currently, please correct)
Your favorite subreddits will be splintered across servers. Mods for those subreddits will be controlled by the server admins. This is the same system. Except that when a sever decides to enact a bad policy in those subreddits at the admin level, it does not infect other subreddits outside that server.
And your criticism has always been true of reddit btw. People ditch one subreddit for another. Or avoid r/all at all costs. So this shouldn't be much different I wouldn't think.
Indeed, Reddit can do the "fragmentation" thing as well. But the big difference is that you can never escape the admins, all subreddits are ultimately under the same top bosses. And you can't "defederate" with, say, /r/conservative to effectively cause everyone over there to cease to exist as far as your own subreddit is concerned.
Whether this is better or worse is going to be interesting to see play out.
I'd say better. Only one thing could very easily break the system in my opinion and that would be everyone sticking to just one server anyways. Because then it allows the server to be targeted by say, movie studios, for people sharing clips of their movie. And then changes might happen in response to affect too many users. Or if monetization becomes a problem. Even then though, I don't see a huge problem if everyone learns their lesson. Because again, if you don't like a specific subreddit about Lord of the Rings and you don't want to join their Tolkienite cult, you can block it out. Or block the whole server its on. And yet if a specific server is hostile to LoTR, you'd still be able to find their content elsewhere.
One of my concerns is about a real de-centralised system not being implemented, as i learned. Migration of users and communities is not possible. Therefoe partial meltdowns are still possible.
@peeonyou
The past doesn't determine future results.
everything does. planet earth itself will. best thing to do is enjoy it while we can and take any preventative measures we can
Yeah but that’ll be like 10 years from now or something
And this is only the second day since the API changes were announced. I expect there will be lots of people coming over in the month of June, and probably another big influx on July first when Reddit apps shut down for real
Yep, fediverse observer reports monthly active users count has doubled in four days, no real change in revenue (money donated) it seems which is a shame. The conversion rate needs to improve IMO and it seems that the option to donate is not attracting the attention it deserves. I think lemmy needs more improvements so it will be able to retain a bigger chunk of the users that is exploring the platform, look at what happened to mastodon and the fediverse after the migration after elon musk buyout , According to the statistics almost half the users are gone.
What's the best way to contribute? I used the Patreon link at the bottom of the join lemmy page.
Looking at it now https://www.patreon.com/dessalines is pretty lite on details.
@wiki_me @Machindo Dessalines is one of the admins for lemmy.ml and I think he's also a Dev so it seems like the right place to contribute.
its sort of depressing that they will rely on donations though. would be nice if there was some way for them to make money without gambling on random ppl
Fundraising when done well can be good, wikipedia (wikimedia foundation) made about 150M in 2021.
Having an instance that shows ads (even duckduckgo style ads that are privacy respecting) could be good (with funds going to development), maybe rysolv (or some other bounty site) could also provide revenue or getting paid for custom development or just paying a retainer so when need development a developer will be available.
Sponsorship (where you show the logo in the front page given a company clicks) like vue.js does it is also an option.
One problem with FOSS is that there isn't anything like a endowment , with enough money invested you theoretically could use the 4 percent rule and fund lemmy forever.
Yeah it works but Wikipedia is constantly threatening to close up because of lack of donations right? That's a huge fault that persists no matter how well done their fundraising campaign. I wonder are there examples of fundraising where they gather more than enough to foot the bills? Do they expand then like a business would or do they save that excess for next year? I have to assume they'd invest and grow it. Is Wikipedia or lemmy an example of FOSS though? It's not as simple as open sourced software once you put it on the web and build a business behind it. Maybe the bones of it was FOSS but we're passed that point now yeah? Obviously I have more questions than answers, just an interested layman. Cheers.
I don't think i saw that wording in years, and they probably exaggerated , There are other examples of open source projects that fund multiple develoepers , thunderbird, krita, blender , iirc for some of them people say they are competitive with closed source alternatives.
Yeah for lemmy the code is open source and for wikipedia the code and content are open source.
I guess I just don't get how being open sourced code is really relevant to Wikipedia? The code is not special is it? They don't need donations to pay for elite programmers, it's servers and IT people. The code being open source means that someone else can copy their own Wikipedia if they felt like competing and thought for some reason that they could. The fact that Wikipedia Foundation is non-profit basically precludes this but I think you answered my question basically anyway, they don't rely on only donations.
The Wikipedia software is used by many institutions. When i still worked in uni, we tried it for our group internal documenting. In the end went for a less complex wiki software, though. :-)
I mean it's a different topic, aside from how a business (for profit or not) takes software (foss or not) and makes money from it. Wikipedia software is used a lot I'm just saying it's not relevant to what I was talking about. Like if companies didn't use this free software for internal documenting they would use something else, no biggie. In the same way that if the worlds largest online encyclopedia no longer had Wikipedia software, they would use something else, no biggie. The word wiki is like the word kleenex and that's great for the founder of wikipedia, maybe? But it's still just tissue paper.
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Hello world! My first
KennyLemmy comment! I have no idea what I'm doing :D all I know is I'm mad at hell and I'm not going to take it anymore! In regards to Reddit anyway hehe. I will kinda miss Reddit, but if Lemmy gets a good following I imagine it should be better than Reddit ever was 😎Welcome aboard! 👋
happy to be here. Is lemmy named after lemmings?
Look at the lil pancake
(No idea if image posts will federate to Lemmy but let's find out)
I see no pancake lol
@mordekaiq89 If you hit the little ActivityPub icon (the rainbow one) on my post, it should take you to my instance where you can see it.
ohh, so lemmy accounts also connect with mastodon instances? (and now i see pancake)
That’s actually kinda a really nice feature of federation. Each instance kinda becomes its own image/video host (assuming your software supports it). Just have to actually use that data in the frontend…